Perfect way for Trump to lose

  • badbug

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    Oct 15, 2016 7:41 AM GMT

    This is kind of a perfect way for Trump to lose if you are like me and any rational person and dislike the modern Republican Party.

    Instead of thinking "boy we need to not treat gays/women/hispanics/blacks/transgendered/muslim americans so badly" most of the Republican base is going to cling on to the idea that Trump would of won had this scandal not happened. And in 4 years, they'll try running Trump version 2.0 or they'll turn some seemingly half sane candidate into running so far right that he'll be damaged goods.

    This is the party that gave us George W. Bush. Rick Perry. Sarah Palin. Ben Carson. Now Donald Trump.

    It will be amazing to see them learn absolutely nothing and push their party one step further down the path of oblivion. Instead of some half-way inclusive policies, their insane base will cause them to once again run on insane policies and anti-everyone not white and christian rhetoric.

    They're finished as a national party. They're damaging their name as badly as possible, still standing for Trump. They've destroyed any chance at the hispanic vote. And they're destroying the female vote. And they are showing once and for all that they take the evangelical vote not serious at all. When guys like Pence and Huckabee and other "christian" leaders stand behind a man who is obviously a sexual predator, that damages the Republican brand amongst evangelicals.

    Trump is helping destroy the Republican party as are all the nuts, like quite a few on here and they are too dumb to realize it. That's the perfect part. There is not going to be any deep reflection after Trump loses, there isn't going to be any new plan or platform.

    It's going to be the nutcases blaming everything and anything but themselves and the world we become just a little less white and a little less racist and a little less homophobic and a little less misogynistic and a little less religious and the Republican base will shrink, but still be crazy and angry enough to not let their leaders change.


    The problem of course is that if the Republicans are going to stay insane. The Democrats are going to win with idiots like Hillary who can be centre right.

    Having one party that is an absolute joke, lets the other party seem good by comparison. Which is sad, because Hillary and the Democrats that support her aren't going to do much other than kick the can down the road.

    So my advice to anyone is you better get relatively wealthy soon if you plan on living for 40 years or more. Cause shit is likely going to get pretty terrible for poor people in America.
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    Oct 15, 2016 7:44 AM GMT
    If a Clinton has anything to do with the process, you can count on the whole thing being rigged.
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    Oct 15, 2016 7:44 AM GMT
    Keep on dreaming bug. Killary isn't really a Democrat, she was a Republican in her youth.
  • Unnamed6

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    Oct 15, 2016 9:14 AM GMT
    White Americans are beginning to lose their faith in God.... Yet Hispanics will become the face of Evangelicalism in the near future, and this will in fact help save the Republican Party...

    And do you know what Pietism is? You essentially are a pietist, like many others here, in spite of your professed non-belief in the Christian god.
  • Unnamed6

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    Oct 15, 2016 9:47 AM GMT
    A record number of Latinos are registering to vote against Trump this election but they in turn can also become reliable Republican voters as many are evangelicals or will become so in the next 10 years (barring a nuclear exchange or whatever).
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    Oct 15, 2016 11:05 AM GMT
    whatever
    i generally agree here, thanks for posting

    -Clinton is going to be powerless to do good or bad just like Obama. Americans will continue to blame the president for this.

    -Republicans blame the gays (2.5% of the population) for John McCain's loss in 2008 why not blame women in 2016 for Trump's loss in 2016.

    badbug said... So my advice to anyone is you better get relatively wealthy soon if you plan on living for 40 years or more. Cause shit is likely going to get pretty terrible for poor people in America.
    i agree; we are headed for that Wild West Walmart society. Just there will be significantly more poor people in the mix. By the way, the 1% are not planning on paying taxes. so there.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 15, 2016 2:46 PM GMT
    Unnamed6 saidA record number of Latinos are registering to vote against Trump this election but they in turn can also become reliable Republican voters as many are evangelicals or will become so in the next 10 years (barring a nuclear exchange or whatever).
    But many Latinos are very conservative and most are opposed to illegal immigrants and Trump is the candidate who supports those sentiments so I wouldn't let the corporate mainstream media fool you that many Latinos are against Trump with all their propaganda push polls. An increasing number of younger flaky fundamentalists are Hispanic so the American right wing is in for a major demographic change in the very near future.
  • charlitos666

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    Oct 15, 2016 11:40 PM GMT
    Trump will not win this election. Something huge would need to happen and he is running out of time. Chances are, more accusations and tapes will keep coming out against him. He literally has no chance.

    However, what's worrisome is that his hard core base is formed by a majority of crazy uneducated racist and xenophobic white males... Recently Trump has been addressing his supporters talking in a language that could cause the U.S to enter a civil war on election day. Some of his supporters have allegedly told the press that they plan to go all the way from stalking and intimidating latinos and minority groups at the voting booths to assassination attempts.

    This is the difference between Hilary & Trump supporters. Hilary has no power to tell her supporters to do crazy things, her base is with her not because she inspires them but because they feel she is much better than the alternative. Regardless Hilary is also not out of her mind to even consider the possibility of inciting violence in the first place. On the other hand; Donald Trump is an imbecile; a scary egomaniac with way too many followers who are equally insane...these sad people are mental and Trump have made them believe they are part of something big, that they are part of the movement to take American back from the muslims and the latinos and that Hilary is getting in the way of that. This November could turn out to be the darkest presidential election in America's modern history. I will be watching from Toronto.
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    Oct 16, 2016 12:01 AM GMT
    Trump has lost the election
    election day will be peaceful
    Clinton, just like Obama will be blocked by a republican congress
    Clinton, just like Obama will get re elected, total 8 years
    Trump will die in his sleep in 2019 from unknown causes

    serious new terror and conspiracies await under-educated Americans
  • charlitos666

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    Oct 16, 2016 12:19 AM GMT
    pellaz said
    1. Trump has lost the election
    2. election day will be peaceful
    3. Clinton, just like Obama will be blocked by a republican congress
    4. Clinton, just like Obama will get re elected, total 8 years
    5. Trump will die in his sleep in 2019 from unknown causes

    serious new terror and conspiracies await under-educated Americans


    1. True
    2. As it currently stands, It should. However, it still depends on how much further Trump keeps pushing his core base. Remember we are not dealing with a candidate that respects his campaign or the party. He only cares about himself, and he has never had these many people looking up to him. This man is a tyrant in the making and a potentially dangerous individual, so i wouldnt put it past him yet.
    3. Likely, but the Trump effect has completely crippled the GOP with a good chunk of the republican base willing to vote Clinton. There are 24 republican seats up for election this year and democrats are already running ads against their opponents on the basis of them endorsing Trump. Trust me, if Hilary wins the general election by a land slide, there is a good chance for the democrats to win the house.
    4. That's just a guess. I personally doubt it but you might be right.
    5. I hope so.
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    Oct 16, 2016 12:27 AM GMT
    charlitos666 saidTrump will not win this election. Something huge would need to happen and he is running out of time. Chances are, more accusations and tapes will keep coming out against him. He literally has no chance.

    However, what's worrisome is that his hard core base is formed by a majority of crazy uneducated racist and xenophobic white males... Recently Trump has been addressing his supporters talking in a language that could cause the U.S to enter a civil war on election day. Some of his supporters have allegedly told the press that they plan to go all the way from stalking and intimidating latinos and minority groups at the voting booths to assassination attempts.

    This is the difference between Hilary & Trump supporters. Hilary has no power to tell her supporters to do crazy things, her base is with her not because she inspires them but because they feel she is much better than the alternative. Regardless Hilary is also not out of her mind to even consider the possibility of inciting violence in the first place. On the other hand; Donald Trump is an imbecile; a scary egomaniac with way too many followers who are equally insane...these sad people are mental and Trump have made them believe they are part of something big, that they are part of the movement to take American back from the muslims and the latinos and that Hilary is getting in the way of that. This November could turn out to be the darkest presidential election in America's modern history. I will be watching from Toronto.


    I'm not sure the majority of die-hard Trump supporters have the attention span to continue the Trump 'vision' beyond 8 Nov. I think many attendees at his rallies are there just to see the "celeb" Trump or simply out of idle curiosity - the sort who, in past times, would gleefully have attended public hangings. Sure, many Trumpists are people who don't think they have a voice, but they are probably too bovine or too idle to do anything about it, especially once their mouthpiece has returned to a private life of pussy-grabbing and tax-dodging.

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  • charlitos666

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    Oct 16, 2016 1:26 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    charlitos666 saidTrump will not win this election. Something huge would need to happen and he is running out of time. Chances are, more accusations and tapes will keep coming out against him. He literally has no chance.

    However, what's worrisome is that his hard core base is formed by a majority of crazy uneducated racist and xenophobic white males... Recently Trump has been addressing his supporters talking in a language that could cause the U.S to enter a civil war on election day. Some of his supporters have allegedly told the press that they plan to go all the way from stalking and intimidating latinos and minority groups at the voting booths to assassination attempts.

    This is the difference between Hilary & Trump supporters. Hilary has no power to tell her supporters to do crazy things, her base is with her not because she inspires them but because they feel she is much better than the alternative. Regardless Hilary is also not out of her mind to even consider the possibility of inciting violence in the first place. On the other hand; Donald Trump is an imbecile; a scary egomaniac with way too many followers who are equally insane...these sad people are mental and Trump have made them believe they are part of something big, that they are part of the movement to take American back from the muslims and the latinos and that Hilary is getting in the way of that. This November could turn out to be the darkest presidential election in America's modern history. I will be watching from Toronto.


    I'm not sure the majority of die-hard Trump supporters have the attention span to continue the Trump 'vision' beyond 8 Nov. I think many attendees at his rallies are there just to see the "celeb" Trump or simply out of idle curiosity - the sort who, in past times, would gleefully have attended public hangings. Sure, many Trumpists are people who don't think they have a voice, but they are probably too bovine or too idle to do anything about it, especially once their mouthpiece has returned to a private life of pussy-grabbing and tax-dodging.

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  • Noeton

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    Oct 16, 2016 2:01 AM GMT
    Thank you, OP, for this thread and bringing up these issues.

    I often feel that Trump and his supporters are "crazy". But that is actually not accurate, I think, at least not for his supporters. On the Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare") they rightly complain that it is too expensive. But they blame Obama and the Democrats. They don't blame the corporations, such as health insurance and pharmaceutical companies, that lobbied successfully for the Act, which worked in their financial interests. Trump core supporters are, I think it is a fact, often disadvantaged in the contemporary economy. But a study I've seen shows that they are probably not likely to place the blame where it belongs, with corporations that have a very powerful influence, especially out in the "red states" -- such as the oil companies that run Louisiana. Instead of placing the blame where it belongs in reality, they place it with the scapegoats of immigrants, Muslims, Democrats, etc. And more basic than this is the general insufficiency of political education among these core supporters. I can't imagine many people with a really solid college education supporting Trump. They actually seem to think a Trump presidency would be healthful for democracy -- but even a cursory understanding of political history shows that such extremist, "anti-system" views are the very hallmark, the sine qua non, of anti-democratic movements. Democracy involves compromise (Political Science 101). Now Trump is saying that the election will be "rigged". It will not be rigged. But this accusation questions the legitimacy of our electoral system. If his supporters believe this, they do so to the exclusion of the very real fact that most Americans (Democrats and probably a lot of mainstream Republicans) actually oppose Trump. And they oppose him, among other reasons, for the fact that he says "crazy" and offensive things and, because of that video tape where he said he would assault women, very likely did actually assault the women who are now coming forward. In addition to that, independent fact-checkers found vastly more inaccuracy and dishonesty in his public comments than in Hillary's. It's a pity that some people -- a sizeable minority -- support him. The education and economic systems have failed them -- hopefully that will change. And, if the Republicans want to bring their party back together, they had better get to work on those neglected issues.
  • you_know_Its_...

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    Oct 16, 2016 3:36 AM GMT
    The bigots, xenophobes and racists will eventually die off anyway since they're generally uneducated and live more impoverished/unhealthy lives. The people we have to worry about are the bullies in schoolyards or Milo-types who live vicariously through Trump's trolling; even with social progress there will always be evil elements to deal with.
  • Apparition

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    Oct 16, 2016 4:07 AM GMT
    I think trump will be the last crazy candidate for the gop. The next nominee will be some old lady like Thatcher was. They will give up on the evangelical voters (since they will get them anyway) and will have a kick ass war president who is like margaret thatcher in her prime.

    Madelaine Albright style would be what would work.

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    Oct 16, 2016 4:17 AM GMT
    I do agree with Noeton regarding the uneducated white conservative voters who have no political party to turn to. The GOP since Reagan has never helped them. All the tax cuts went to the GOP elite not services that could help them get educated, get better job, get better retirement. These uneducated white conservative voters don't want the Democrat because we are too black, too latino, too Asian, too educated, too environmentally caring. This class of voters will continue to be angry, frustrated, as if no one in this society cares for them. And they are probably partially right.
  • dreamcock

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    Oct 16, 2016 4:01 PM GMT
    So much for liberal democrats being the tolerant party from the hateful spewing on this post and you say Trump supporters are bad LMAO!!!! As for uneducated isn't the base of the Democratic Party unemployed welfare recipients living off govt food stamps and housing? They're highly educated aren't they dont even have enough sense and responsibility to support themselves.
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    Oct 16, 2016 4:45 PM GMT
    dreamcock saidSo much for liberal democrats being the tolerant party from the hateful spewing on this post and you say Trump supporters are bad LMAO!!!! As for uneducated isn't the base of the Democratic Party unemployed welfare recipients living off govt food stamps and housing? They're highly educated aren't they dont even have enough sense and responsibility to support themselves.


    Am sure you have seen the statistics. The red states, namely the states that vote for the GOP, are the one that require the most federal assistance in term of money.
  • dreamcock

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    Oct 16, 2016 5:38 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]woodsmen said[/cite]
    dreamcock saidSo much for liberal democrats being the tolerant party from the hateful spewing on this post and you say Trump supporters are bad LMAO!!!! As for uneducated isn't the base of the Democratic Party unemployed welfare recipients living off govt food stamps and housing? They're highly educated aren't they dont even have enough sense and responsibility to support themselves.


    Am sure you have seen the statistics. The red states, namely the states that vote for the GOP, are the one that require the most federal assistance in term of money.[/quot

    If you believe those stats I'll sell you some swamp land in Manhatten- you know it's the dems base- I live in a red state and I've never known a conservative on welfare but have known many dems that are, that's why these pos vote dem because they know they'll keep taxing working people to fund these social programs that allow them to lay on their sorry ass and not make it on their own!
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    Oct 16, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
    NYT: And what these severe conservatives hate, above all, is reliance on government programs. [However,] the regions in which government programs account for the largest share of personal income — are precisely the regions electing those severe conservatives. Wasn’t Red America supposed to be the land of traditional values, where people don’t eat Thai food and don’t rely on handouts?

    See (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/even-critics-of-safety-net-increasingly-depend-on-it.html?)

    Now, there’s no mystery about red-state reliance on government programs. These states are relatively poor, which means both that people have fewer sources of income other than safety-net programs and that more of them qualify for “means-tested” programs such as Medicaid.

    Finally, Cornell University’s Suzanne Mettler points out that many beneficiaries of government programs seem confused about their own place in the system. She tells us that 44 percent of Social Security recipients, 43 percent of those receiving unemployment benefits, and 40 percent of those on Medicare say that they “have not used a government program.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/opinion/krugman-moochers-against-welfare.html
  • theonewhoknoc...

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    Oct 16, 2016 6:04 PM GMT
    ^^lol yes, but since when do the facts matter to Trump supporters? They'll just insist its the work of the mainstream media lol
  • dreamcock

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    Oct 16, 2016 6:08 PM GMT
    Oh the NYT that's a really credible unbiased source-didn't they just get busted asking Hillary if it's was ok to print certain parts of an interview? That's honest journalism. And as far as unemployment benefits and s.s.those are programs working Americans pay in for I'm speaking ofpeople who never work and live off the govt cradle to grave that paid in nothing!
  • Relajado

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    Oct 16, 2016 9:10 PM GMT
    Unnamed6 saidWhite Americans are beginning to lose their faith in God.... Yet Hispanics will become the face of Evangelicalism in the near future, and this will in fact help save the Republican Party...

    And do you know what Pietism is? You essentially are a pietist, like many others here, in spite of your professed non-belief in the Christian god.


    Oh my god shut up.
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    Oct 16, 2016 10:41 PM GMT
    dreamcock said[quote][cite]woodsmen said[/cite]
    dreamcock saidIf you believe those stats I'll sell you some swamp land in Manhatten- you know it's the dems base- I live in a red state and I've never known a conservative on welfare but have known many dems that are, that's why these pos vote dem because they know they'll keep taxing working people to fund these social programs that allow them to lay on their sorry ass and not make it on their own!


    https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#red-vs-blueRed vs. Blue States
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  • dilfforrent

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    Oct 16, 2016 11:21 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidI do agree with Noeton regarding the uneducated white conservative voters who have no political party to turn to. The GOP since Reagan has never helped them. All the tax cuts went to the GOP elite not services that could help them get educated, get better job, get better retirement. These uneducated white conservative voters don't want the Democrat because we are too black, too latino, too Asian, too educated, too environmentally caring. This class of voters will continue to be angry, frustrated, as if no one in this society cares for them. And they are probably partially right.


    I almost feel sorry for them... but I don't icon_lol.gif