Should this guy be charged as a sex offender or respected as a player?

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    Feb 13, 2009 5:25 PM GMT
    Teen accused of sex assaults in Facebook scam
    By CARRIE ANTLFINGER – Feb 5, 2009

    MILWAUKEE (AP) — An 18-year-old male student is accused of posing as a girl on Facebook, tricking at least 31 male classmates into sending him naked photos of themselves and then blackmailing some for sex acts.

    "The kind of manipulation that occurred here is really sinister in my estimation," Waukesha County District Attorney Brad Schimel said Wednesday.

    The students go to New Berlin Eisenhower High School in New Berlin, which is in Waukesha County about 15 miles west of Milwaukee.

    Anthony Stancl, of New Berlin, was charged Wednesday with five counts of child enticement, two counts of second-degree sexual assault of a child, two counts of third-degree sexual assault, possession of child pornography, repeated sexual assault of the same child, and making a bomb threat.

    Stancl's attorney, Craig Kuhary, said Stancl plans to plead not guilty to the charges and hopes to reach a plea agreement with the district attorney

    "It's too early in the case for me to make a statement, other than the fact at some point we are going to go into events that had taken place earlier that might have had some impact on what he did here," he said. He wouldn't go into specifics.

    The incidents allegedly happened from spring 2007 through November, when officers questioned Stancl about a bomb threat he allegedly sent to teachers and wrote about on a school's bathroom wall. It resulted in the closing of New Berlin Eisenhower Middle and High School.

    According to the criminal complaint, Stancl first contacted the students through the social networking site Facebook, pretending to be a girl named Kayla or Emily.

    The boys reported that they were tricked into sending nude photos or videos of themselves, the complaint said.

    Thirty-one victims were identified and interviewed and more than half said the girl with whom they thought they were communicating tried to get them to meet with a male friend to let him perform sex acts on them.

    They were told that if they didn't, she would send the nude photos or movies to their friends and post them on the Internet, according to the complaint. Stancl allegedly used the excuse to get the victims to perform repeated acts, the complaint said.

    Seven boys were identified in the complaint by their initials as either having to allegedly perform sex acts on Stancl or Stancl on them. The complaint said Stancl took photos with his cell phone of the encounters.

    Officers found about 300 nude images of juvenile males on his computer, according to the complaint. Prosecutors said the victims were as young as 15.

    A preliminary hearing for Stancl has been scheduled for Feb. 26. The maximum penalty if convicted on all charges is nearly 300 years in prison.
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    Feb 13, 2009 5:28 PM GMT


    He's a predator and yep, an offender in our opinions.

    -Doug and Bill of meninlove

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    Feb 13, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
    That kind of behaviour should not be respected. Blackmail has to be one of the more repugnant crimes around.
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    Feb 13, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    He's a predator and yep, an offender in our opinions.

    -Doug and Bill of meninlove

    -ditto.
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    Feb 13, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
    criminal
  • Timbales

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    Feb 13, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
    repugnant
  • Rookz

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    Feb 13, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
    Digusting.

    Respected as a player? Players don't do children and rape.
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    Feb 13, 2009 6:14 PM GMT
    300 years? that should be enough
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    Feb 13, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
    Why did these young men send nude pictures of themselves to a girl?
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    Feb 13, 2009 6:18 PM GMT
    I do not condone rape or extortion. I do not condone child porn either. I wonder if this was more of a HS prank or is the guy a real sex threat?
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    Feb 13, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    redheadguy saidWhy did these young men send nude pictures of themselves to a girl?


    welcome to this generation
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    Feb 13, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
    Welcome to the world of cyber space......icon_eek.gif
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    Feb 13, 2009 6:39 PM GMT
    Respected as a player??? Are you fu*king kidding me? This is in every sense of the word rape, coercion for sexual acts based on fear. I don't care if it wasn't physical fear or not. In the modern world, fear of having images posted all over facebook, myspace, etc, is every bit if not more frightening to the average teen then the threat of physical violence. The guy is a sociopathic predator. His own needs were the only thing on his mind, having no regard for the victims or the harm he caused them. Furthermore, this is the kind of schmuck that gives gays a bad name. Fear mongers will associate these kind of acts with gays rather then the friendly, healthy couple next door. Our society cannot condone this. The child porn charge I agree with as well, he obtained nude images of minors by means of coercion, if that isn't child porn I don't know what is.

    The only disagreement I have with any of this is sending him to prison. There is a reason that 83% percent of all prisoners end up re-offending, it's because they don't work. If you want to teach this kid new tricks and make him an even more dangerous predator send him to prison. Instead this kid should be involuntarily committed for serious mental health treatment. This kind of thing doesn't occur in people with normal healthy backgrounds. Chances are very good that he was a victim himself and treatment would yield a much a better chance of rehabilitation then sticking him in a prison where he will be further victimized and learn to victimize others more effectively. If any other federal funded program failed 83% of the time, citizens would be screaming from the roof tops.

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    Feb 13, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
    as i understood it, some he prayed on were 15 yrs old.
    He's a fuked up deviant - far from a player.


    Tricking some guy to send a naked shot of himself if he is a "willing adult", haha...
    underage and inclusive of forcing them to preform sex acts or be "outed" and filming kiddie porn -- this guys deserves to rot.
  • EricLA

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    Feb 13, 2009 6:49 PM GMT
    Agree with repugnant and criminal. He deserves serious jail time and is in obvious need of some psychological counseling.
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    Feb 13, 2009 6:54 PM GMT
    Does it matter that he is a child too?
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    Feb 13, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    jimib saidDoes it matter that he is a child too?


    He's 18!!
    not a player, not a child
    if you 18 and don't have a basic understanding of right and wrong, your parents should be locked up to.
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    Feb 13, 2009 7:13 PM GMT
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    jimib saidDoes it matter that he is a child too?


    He's 18!!
    not a player, not a child
    if you 18 and don't have a basic understanding of right and wrong, your parents should be locked up to.


    Yes he is 18. 3 years older than a 15 year old. 300 years in prison?
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    Feb 13, 2009 7:17 PM GMT
    YngHungSFSD saidRespected as a player??? Are you fu*king kidding me? This is in every sense of the word rape, coercion for sexual acts based on fear. I don't care if it wasn't physical fear or not. In the modern world, fear of having images posted all over facebook, myspace, etc, is every bit if not more frightening to the average teen then the threat of physical violence. The guy is a sociopathic predator. His own needs were the only thing on his mind, having no regard for the victims or the harm he caused them. Furthermore, this is the kind of schmuck that gives gays a bad name. Fear mongers will associate these kind of acts with gays rather then the friendly, healthy couple next door. Our society cannot condone this. The child porn charge I agree with as well, he obtained nude images of minors by means of coercion, if that isn't child porn I don't know what is.

    The only disagreement I have with any of this is sending him to prison. There is a reason that 83% percent of all prisoners end up re-offending, it's because they don't work. If you want to teach this kid new tricks and make him an even more dangerous predator send him to prison. Instead this kid should be involuntarily committed for serious mental health treatment. This kind of thing doesn't occur in people with normal healthy backgrounds. Chances are very good that he was a victim himself and treatment would yield a much a better chance of rehabilitation then sticking him in a prison where he will be further victimized and learn to victimize others more effectively. If any other federal funded program failed 83% of the time, citizens would be screaming from the roof tops.
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    This kind of thing doesn't occur in people with normal healthy backgrounds.


    Sadly, not true. "Healthy" ppl are usually the ones who get by with it because no one suspects them, with their "healthy background" to do such a thing. I have an "unhealthy background" and I would never think of doing such a thing, because I know how it feels to have someone use thier "power" and "trust" to lure and victimize another. I maybe have TOO MUCH respect for others' boundries, some call me boring. All in the attempt to make sure I respect the one I'm with. Some ppl are just low-lives and no amount of mental health teatment is going to change them. Often, it has nothing to do with background, some ppl just equate "winning" with getting all they can from all they will, and if it's against their will, it's that much more a challenge to them. I do acknowledge that background can influence someone to become a predator, but not at such a young age. The age of this person, so young, shows no conflict over what he did; as if there's nothing wrong with it. Mostly, abused ppl know that what happened to them was wrong and if they become an abuser because of it, it's after much inner conflict over the "right or wrong" of it. This person? Garbage from the start- bury him UNDER the jail and forget about him. Your heart may be in the right place, but these ppl are beyond repair.
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    Feb 13, 2009 7:25 PM GMT

    18 or not he preys on children! How can you even think that he's a player!

    The child pornography law carries a heavy penalty for this very reason.

    What do you think he should get probation? Seriously!

    HE’S a Predator PERIOD!
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    Feb 13, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
    OK,
    This kid has defiantly got some issues. I think that he should be tried/punished and locked away because he is the making of a sexual predator. Yes, he is 18 but hey that makes him of legal age. But let's be a little honest here guys 300 years is severe...

    A. If he's in High school a 15 year old is a Sophomore and He's a Senior, not an un-heard of idea that they might have sex. However "wrong" it might be. Do you remember high school??

    B. These 31 so called "victims" had no problem volunteering to send nude photo's of themselves to a girl, they were just outraged and shocked to find out it was a guy. I think the kiddie porn charge is a bit severe. Unless he actually has 9 year olds posing nude, the guy is just a dumb teenager.

    With that being said, what he did he knows is wrong and in-excusable behavior. To even think about blackmailing someone for sex at that age is a person who needs to be put away at least to a psychiatric hospital for several years and get the help they need. This story is just sad.

    Besides "Players" are generally users and assholes, it was a derogative term when it came out and not something to strive for. I love how stupid people think it's "cool" to be a "player", yeah it will be really "cool" when you contract, and spread a sexually transmitted disease because your such a "player". Please.
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    Feb 13, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
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    18 or not he preys on children! How can you even think that he's a player!

    The child pornography law carries a heavy penalty for this very reason.

    What do you think he should get probation? Seriously!

    HE’S a Predator PERIOD!


    I did not say he is a player; I merely asked the question. I think the situation is tragic. I wonder what the world for young people is coming to.
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    Feb 13, 2009 7:37 PM GMT
    playing devils advocate here, but quite a few of the senior class are 18 year olds and through out high school, many of them commit crimes that would technically put them in prison for the rest of their life. i.e. assault and battery. virtually none of that is ever punished other than study hall once in a while.

    molested in the bathroom, sexual assault in the locker room? sexual assault doesn't have to be the act of intercourse, just something related to a sexual act that is an assault. assault is a threatening verbal statement or intimidation and is often not a contact upon one's self. battery is physical contact. being tied to the goalpost naked is sexual assault. having your shorts ripped off and being thrown into the pool with everyone - is sexual assault. having your pants pulled down or again, the shorts, is sexual assault. for how many of these acts have we sent kids to prison for however many years?

    how many hazing experiences have you seen, heard about, or partaken of, be it on either side? most hazing experiences have some form of sexual expression like domination and humiliation or perversion.

    what the kid did was wrong and undeniably so, but we can't be hypocritical and pull him away from the rest of the kids who have also committed crimes that are technically serious offenses. if we treated each miscreant as the outrage expressed at this kid insists, we would likely imprison a quarter of every senior class for a large part of their adult life.

    as adults we can rail upon a kid being fully responsible for his actions at 18, but as parents and society we fail largely at making sure he is actually ready to accept those responsibilities, and actually aware of the consequences. we let kids do pretty much anything they want and turn blind eyes to them until the midnight before their 18th birthday. then we turn to them and tell them that everything we grounded them for today will send them to prison for 30 years tomorrow.

    a couple generations ago, a 16yr old kid was being prepared to run the household and farm and at 18 they had long since made that journey into being a man. it isn't like that today. we're too afraid of hurting anyone's feelings or explaining anything. we leave the kids to be taught by everyone else and our communication channels with our kids is so sucky that we haven't the foggiest idea of the bullying that goes on at school.

    putting him in prison for 300 years isn't going to correct anything or improve anything at all. the correct answer is figuring out how to correct this behavior and make him an acceptable and productive member of society.

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    a little beating of his ass and grounding him wouldn't necessarily be out of the question either in my opinion...
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    Feb 13, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    This whole story is kind of weird.

    There's not really enough information about it to make a truly informed judgement. For starters, since this has been going on for two years, I think he should be treated as a minor. He started doing this when he was 16, which is a minor is almost every jurisdiction.

    I'm not really comfortable with the implication of "coercion" here. If you for any reason send out or post naked pictures of yourself, especially to someone you only know online, you are asking for a whole load of trouble. I don't know if coercion because of sheer embarassment that is entirely the victim's fault justifies the assailant getting 300 years in prison. A few years or so at a juvenile rehabilitation center would be okay with me.

    Even his possession of child pornography (which is presumably just the pictures his victims voluntarily sent him) can be somewhat excused by his age.

    The issue of a bomb threat is a totally different one. That should be some hard time.

    But come on. Are we really ready to lock this kid up for the rest of his life?
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    Feb 13, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    Ok then. I am a little taken aback at the mere question given the facts.
    Are you kidding me.

    Did you not say that he is or was a child also...hmmm I'm thinking he's not.

    In the eyes of the law he is no child. He is only a child to his parents. I'm quite sure the parents of his victim do not think he's a child either.

    He'll get plenty of respect when he is serving out his jail term.