A Love for Palestinian Cuisine in Israel

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    Nov 05, 2016 11:59 PM GMT
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    NYT: Going far beyond hummus and grilled meats, chefs in Israel are showcasing modern Arabic cooking (kubbe made with grouper, crème brûlée with tahini).

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/travel/in-israel-a-new-passion-for-arabic-palestinian-cuisine.html?
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    Nov 07, 2016 8:41 AM GMT
    Nowaday the term "Israel" was created in 1948 by the Zionist European occupiers, they use the word "Israel" from the Bible to claim that Palestine is theirs. We Palestinian Christians and Middle Eastern Christians called the land Palestine, not "Israel". So for Palestinians, Israel is Palestine. So deal with it.

    Nothing new, the Zionists stole everything from the Palestinian culture and history.

    That is not the first time, Palestinians are amazing chefs.
    http://archive.thisweekinpalestine.com/details.php?id=4053&edid=220
    https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2016/09/25/palestinian-catholic-chef/
    http://www.thenational.ae/arts-life/food/palestinian-chef-joudie-kalla-serves-up-a-traditional-feast-with-her-new-book

  • mwolverine

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    Nov 07, 2016 2:14 PM GMT
    Leave it to Sam to turn a thread about food into politics.
    All of which has already been discussed at great length elsewhere.

    The foreign Roman occupiers renamed Judea as Palaestina in 135 CE.
    The foreign Arab occupiers after 638 CE called it Filastin - Arabic lacks the ''P'' consonant.

    Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
    (Judaism is a religion, Jews are an ethnic group)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/494893

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    and early 20th century Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

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    Arabs (like Arabic) NOT indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4019405

    The Palestine Paradox
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2652202

    The Emergence of Palestinian Arab Nationalism in the Mid-to-Late 20th Century
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4193729
  • Destinharbor

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    Nov 07, 2016 10:35 PM GMT
    I think that's a good thing. It humanizes the enemy. I vaguely remember Nixon's "ping-pong" diplomacy with China. It was an opportunity to not see the Chinese as enemies but just as people. And that was fairly soon after the cultural revolution that made the Chinese seem completely evil. Such a pity Clinton's Camp David peace accord with Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian Authority chairman Yasser Arafat failed. They were so close. Ultimately Arafat failed his people. I remember some Playboy article that claimed Arafat was gay. Unpleasant thought, that, but it claimed his personal bodyguard staff that stayed in his apartments at night were all young, blond Germans. lol.
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    Nov 08, 2016 5:23 AM GMT
    Loving Chinese food doesn't mean loving the Chinese.

  • mwolverine

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    Nov 08, 2016 3:07 PM GMT
    Destinharbor> I think that's a good thing. It humanizes the enemy.

    This is all happening within Israel, the Jewish state, which has about a 25% Arab population.
    Israelis generally don't view Arabs as the enemy.

    The opposite isn't always true:

    Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinian Arabs support murder of Israeli Jews, 25% even if attackers are little girls
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4192905

    Palestinian kindergarten graduation ceremony has children perform terrorist drills
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4219550

    As can be seen from the knee-jerk reactions of Sam and AyaTrolLiar founcer/JTheM (who evidently cared so little about the thread topic itself that they didn't bother to read the NY Times story beyond the headline).


    The chefs highlighted in this story are all Israeli Arabs.

    One reports that 90% of his clients aren't his Arab neighbors but Jews:

    || Ninety percent of his customers, he soon realized, were day-tripping foodies from Tel Aviv.

    While the trolls clamor that this is "Palestinian", the chefs themselves are more honest and nuanced:

    || “Arab chefs are changing their food, but Arab customers are still not quite going for it,” Mr. Dalal admitted. “In our culture, people still prefer to eat traditional food, at home with their family.”

    || Mr. Hanna opened Magdalena in 2013, after starting three successful but conventional Arabic restaurants, where the long-held traditions of a dozen salads to begin the meal and simple grilled meats were menu mainstays. At Magdalena, he has thrown that rule book out the window, reaching instead for the childhood recipes he remembers his mother sourcing from their home garden and pairing them with techniques he picked up from Jewish chefs in cosmopolitan Tel Aviv.

    || the dual culinary heritages of family home cooking and Israel’s far-reaching global cuisine.

    || merging molecular gastronomy with the flavors his Syrian-born grandmother taught him

    || “I don’t involve politics with my food. It’s not Palestinian or Syrian, it’s modern Arab food,” he said. “It’s a problem for me, trying to define it, because it’s updated but still very old. I’m still debating with myself how to call it.”

    || Arab food in Israel is modernizing, he said, because the Arab community is modernizing

    || “The historical division between Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Palestine is so recent, you can’t really draw a line between the cuisines,” she said. “You can’t say hummus is Syrian or Lebanese, and you can’t say tabbouleh is Palestinian. So the Arabic cuisine I cook, I call it ‘Food from the Levant.’"

    Obviously there were also recent historical migrations across borders that didn't then exist.
    For one (above), his Syrian grandmother. For another:

    || his Palestinian family, whose roots in Acre trace back 300 years

    Obviously 300 years is a long time, and they have every right to stay where they are, but it doesn't make one "indigenous".
    It's the same time-frame as Europeans - and later Chinese - arriving in the Americas.


    Here's the kicker, though: the flow - from Israel to the Arab world - is exactly the opposite of what the trolls imagine:

    AyaTrolLiar> Of course they eat Palestinian food. What native food do they have of their own?

    He denies Jewish ethnicity, so why would he even expect there to exist Jewish ethnic food? icon_rolleyes.gif

    || Ms. Atamna-Ismaeel calls the upgrade in Israel’s Arab food a “revolution,” and says that in a few years, she believes it will spread beyond the country’s borders.

    || “Right now, we’re seeing it in Israeli-Arab areas, but soon I think Palestinians [in the West Bank and Gaza Strip] will also be influenced, and from there it will spread to different parts of the world,” she told me.

    || Asked what the movement would be called, she hesitated. “Israeli-Arab cuisine, or Palestinian-Israeli cuisine, maybe. It’s political, and it’s complicated,” she said.

    Hopefully one day soon it will be less complicated:

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    Sadly the haters outside the region will be slower to come around.
    For them there is no cost to maximal demands and rejecting peace.

    Why does virulent Anti-Semitism play such a large role in MidEast discussions on RJ?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4015076
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151
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    Nov 09, 2016 2:34 AM GMT
    lol Tabouleh (or Tabbouleh) comes from Levant region... So Palestinians are part of the Levantine culture. Israeli Jews of Moroccans are probably the majority in Israel? That is why they have Arabic-foods, but they are not Israeli foods.

    Just like how Israelis claimed that Knafeh is their dessert. Just like how Israeli designer eroticizes the Palestinian keffiyeh. Pro Israelis complained about the Palestinian Keffiyeh in Urban Outfitters store. Whatever.

    So this beautiful Palestinian-American model and fashion designer Gigi is like WHAT THE HELL ISRAEL?
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  • RachelM

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    Nov 11, 2016 7:01 AM GMT
    The model is surely very gorgeous.
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 14, 2016 12:38 AM GMT
    No surprise, but neither of the blowhards can address the article (which they likely never read) let alone my criticisms of their prior baseless (if not ignorant) comments.

    Instead we get their normal fare of diversions.

    Sam27 introduces the "Palestinian Keffiyeh", a product of the latter half of the 20th century.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4193729


    AyaTrolLiar founcer/JTheM prefers to discuss the peace process here rather than in half a dozen or more threads devoted to that.

    Yalla, Peace!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1285693

    UN Security Council Resolution 242, Oslo Accords, Camp David & Taba.
    I Support The CLINTON COMPROMISE Parameters. Yet The War-Mongering Anti-Israel Trolls Do Not.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/354843

    The Two-State Solution: Revisiting The Clinton Compromise Parameters.
    I Support This. How Come The War-Mongering Anti-Israel Trolls Can't Honestly Discuss It?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2271313

    The two-state solution: Revisiting the Clinton Compromise Parameters and the Olmert Plan
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2670812

    As well as these, current, threads:

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    QUESTIONS FOR ONE-STATERS. Yet no answers. Exposing the so-called ''One-State `Solution`'' as a Bankrupt Fraud Designed To Destroy Israel and Replace It With One Arab State.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4256535

    Are Jewish villages ["settlements"] in Judea & Samaria an impediment to peace?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4255395
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    Nov 14, 2016 4:55 AM GMT
    It shows how much you hate Palestinians. Thank you for showing us your true color. In your little fantasy Zionist world, that Palestinians have no culture or food cuisine.

    My former screen name was sxydrkhair and mwoverline was "caesarea4" or "C4". Nobody likes you.
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  • mwolverine

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    Nov 14, 2016 2:05 PM GMT
    Yet I do NOT hate Palestinian Arabs.
    Why would you think that explaining what this article actually says, rather than your and the AyaTrolLiar's delusions about it - not having bothered to even read it, indicates any such thing?

    Similarly, why would me exposing your off-topic lies (e.g. "Palestinian Keffiyeh") indicate that I "hate Palestinians" rather than that you hate the truth? That you hate Israel/Jews so much you're willing to lie, lie and lie?

    Why are you more interested in lying for-the-cause than in making real peace?

    Do you want to talk about the emergence of Palestinian Arab nationalism?
    There's a thread about it. See if you can add to it.

    Want to debate the so-called "one-state solution"?
    There's a thread about it. See if you can defend it from criticism showing it's just a pretense to destroy Israel as we know it.

    Want to discuss real peace and the two-state solution?
    Then do it already. I mean, why wouldn't you?
    Unless you hate Israel/Jews and your interest is to demonize them in an attempt to justify or rationalize continuing the war against it.

    Sam27 said:
    It shows how much you hate Palestinians. Thank you for showing us your true color.

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    Nov 15, 2016 3:34 AM GMT
    I have nothing against Israelis and Jewish people. In fact I have some fb Israeli friends, real-life Jewish-Israeli friends and they don't agree with your misleading perspectives.

    You are the one that pointing finger and making up so many lies that Palestinians aren't from Israel. Then you come up with useless realjock threads about Palestinians don't have history and culture. Sorry man, you're a hardcore Zionist and living in denial. You are more welcome to believe what you want, but don't force people to believe your B.S..

    "There's a thread about it. See if you can defend it from criticism showing it's just a pretense to destroy Israel as we know it."

    It is ok to destroy the historical connections of the Palestinians in Israel? In your head, it is yes. That make you a Palestinian hater.
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 15, 2016 7:24 AM GMT
    Just wow. He's more confused than usual:

    Sam27> I have some fb Israeli friends, real-life Jewish-Israeli friends and they don't agree with your misleading perspectives.

    Which is like the homophobe saying he has gay friends... you know, like Roy Cohn.


    Sam27> It is ok to destroy the historical connections of the Palestinians in Israel?

    Arabs have "connections" in ISRAEL. No one denies that.
    What's not ok is to invent historical connections that in reality don't and never existed
    In an effort to trump those who do (and say they need to "get out").


    As usual, see how he'll talk about anything and everything... BUT the topic of this thread?

    What we saw here isn't that they were just wrong about the article, but the exposition of their warped methodology.
    They read a (misleading) headline, assumed the article supported their biased, preconceived, notions and ran with it.

    Unfortunately the article itself undermines their own arguments.
    No wonder they now have to ignore it.
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    Nov 17, 2016 4:41 AM GMT
    Really, you want to go there PALESTINIAN HATER?

    Palestinian village of Imwas turns into Canada Park in the West Bank.
    1958
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    1968
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    1988
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    Those aren't only Palestinian villages that got destroyed and erase Palestinian history. There are about 500 villages were destroyed. I have evidence to prove you wrong and you don't...

    Yep, there was no Tel Aviv, but there were some Palestinian villages and farmland 1800s
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    http://www.davidrumsey.com/
    http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/MAPS/Zionist_and_Palestinian_landownership.htm
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 17, 2016 4:49 AM GMT
    See - again! - how he'll talk about anything and everything... BUT the topic of this thread?
    (And not even about his prior diversions which were already refuted - see my previous post. It's always on to the next set of lies.)

    What we saw here is that the Israel/Jew haters weren't just wrong about the article, but the exposition of their warped methodology.
    They read a (misleading) headline, assumed the article supported their biased, preconceived, notions and ran with it.

    Unfortunately the article itself undermines their arguments.
    No wonder they now have to ignore it.
    As we've seen on so many other data points.
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    Nov 17, 2016 6:40 AM GMT
    loooool @ mwolverine.

    I feel like i am wasting my time... Have fun living in denial.
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    Nov 17, 2016 6:51 AM GMT
    Article was written by an ignorant Israeli journalist who claims the Palestinians foods aren't really from Israel. The land was called Palestine before 1948.

    "An Arabic dessert had been crowned the best in Israel?"

    Duh, it has always been. "Arabic" is a language not a race. According to the "Arab" definition, anyone who speaks Arabic are Arab, including Jews that speak Arabic are Arabs. Deal with it! In your mindset like that ignorant Israeli journalist anyone that speaks Arabic doesn't mean that person is originally from Saudi Arabia.

    Arab 101 for ignorant Zionists
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  • mwolverine

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    Nov 17, 2016 10:25 AM GMT
    The Israel/Jew haters weren't just wrong about the article, but exposed their warped methodology.
    They read a (misleading) headline, assumed the article supported their biased, preconceived, notions and ran with it.
    Unfortunately the article itself undermines their arguments.


    Sam27> Article was written by an ignorant Israeli journalist who claims the Palestinians foods aren't really from Israel.

    Yes, that's the best he can do.
    Evidently he still hasn't read the article, or didn't understand it, given that this is not what the journalist "claims".
    He just uses that as a pretense to launch more unrelated spam propaganda.

    As I just said, at first the article - as twisted - is greeted with acclaim.
    Once it's understood it doesn't say what they think it says, suddenly it "was written by an ignorant Israeli journalist".

    So it is with their own sources. What they twist from it is fine, but when it becomes clear their source doesn't agree with them, suddenly they seek to impeach their own source.

    In any event, what the article describes is food that is an Arab-Israeli fusion.
    This is stated not just by the "ignorant Israeli journalist" but also by the Israeli-Arab chefs who are molding the genre.

    Why is it that I can celebrate this while they are in total denial and trying to twist it any which (negative) way?
    Me thinks the haters have, once again, exposed themselves.
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    Nov 17, 2016 9:54 PM GMT
    Sorry there is no such thing "Israeli-Arabs," they are Palestinians. :-)

    "Israeli Arab" is a term used by Zionist cowards that refused to recognize Palestinian people's right to exist. Palestinians aren't genetically Arabs, but mixed people in the region (Levant) for many years. Heck, Palestinians could have Greek, Roman, Jews, Arabs, Persian, Turks, and more that are mixed in them. Throughout the history, Palestinians have their own culture and foods. They share with their levantine neighbor's cultures (Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan) near by.
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 18, 2016 11:44 PM GMT
    Sam27> there is no such thing "Israeli-Arabs,"

    1.2 million Israeli Arabs are people, not your political pawns.
    The vast majority* of them identify as Israeli.
    They have reconciled that Israel exists and have embraced it.
    Unlike you, who can only hope to one day destroy it.

    * 85% support Israel existing as an independent state
    * 70% support Israel existing as a democratic Jewish State.
    * 77% of Israeli-Arabs would rather live in Israel than any other state.


    Sam27> Throughout the history, Palestinians have their own culture and foods. They share with their levantine neighbor's cultures (Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan) near by.

    From the article (which, out of necessity, Sam - like the AyaTrolLiar - must ignore) :

    || “The historical division between Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Palestine is so recent, you can’t really draw a line between the cuisines,” she [one of the Israeli-Arab chefs] said. “You can’t say hummus is Syrian or Lebanese, and you can’t say tabbouleh is Palestinian. So the Arabic cuisine I cook, I call it ‘Food from the Levant.’"
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 22, 2016 1:49 AM GMT
    Oh, dear, the AyaTrolLiar does it again.
    Not surprising, we all know it's pathological.

    After pretending to have me on "ignore" again - how convenient given that this article said the exact opposite of what he presumed - suddenly he takes issue (in, of course, another thread).

    Not taking issue with my post about the new fusion of Israeli-Arab cuisine, but with the last post and the existence of Israeli Arabs.

    How will he explain it this time: a "friend" (his own sock puppet!) emailed him a selective snippet of what I said, thus he's ignoring everything else?

    Or maybe he just "borrowed" a different "device" from a "friend" (in the middle of the night!) and "forgot" to login so was able to see my post?

    Oh, what a horrid mixture of unabashed idiocy and immaturity.
    It's like he has learned nothing these past 7 years, and not grown up at all either.
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 22, 2016 7:29 AM GMT
    On and on goes the AyaTrolLiar's obsession with Jews.
    This topic, though, he still can't address.
    His premises/conclusions rebutted by the very article he assumed supported him.
    It's pouncer pathological!

    Why does virulent Anti-Semitism play such a large role in MidEast discussions on RJ?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4015076

    See also:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 22, 2016 7:30 AM GMT
    Destinharbor> I think that's a good thing. It humanizes the enemy.

    This is all happening within Israel, the Jewish state, which has about a 25% Arab population.
    Israelis generally don't view Arabs as the enemy.

    The opposite isn't always true:

    Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinian Arabs support murder of Israeli Jews, 25% even if attackers are little girls
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4192905

    Palestinian kindergarten graduation ceremony has children perform terrorist drills
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4219550

    As can be seen from the knee-jerk reactions of Sam and AyaTrolLiar founcer/JTheM (who evidently cared so little about the thread topic itself that they didn't bother to read the NY Times story beyond the headline).


    The chefs highlighted in this story are all Israeli Arabs.

    One reports that 90% of his clients aren't his Arab neighbors but Jews:

    || Ninety percent of his customers, he soon realized, were day-tripping foodies from Tel Aviv.

    While the trolls clamor that this is "Palestinian", the chefs themselves are more honest and nuanced:

    || “Arab chefs are changing their food, but Arab customers are still not quite going for it,” Mr. Dalal admitted. “In our culture, people still prefer to eat traditional food, at home with their family.”

    || Mr. Hanna opened Magdalena in 2013, after starting three successful but conventional Arabic restaurants, where the long-held traditions of a dozen salads to begin the meal and simple grilled meats were menu mainstays. At Magdalena, he has thrown that rule book out the window, reaching instead for the childhood recipes he remembers his mother sourcing from their home garden and pairing them with techniques he picked up from Jewish chefs in cosmopolitan Tel Aviv.

    || the dual culinary heritages of family home cooking and Israel’s far-reaching global cuisine.

    || merging molecular gastronomy with the flavors his Syrian-born grandmother taught him

    || “I don’t involve politics with my food. It’s not Palestinian or Syrian, it’s modern Arab food,” he said. “It’s a problem for me, trying to define it, because it’s updated but still very old. I’m still debating with myself how to call it.”

    || Arab food in Israel is modernizing, he said, because the Arab community is modernizing

    || “The historical division between Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Palestine is so recent, you can’t really draw a line between the cuisines,” she said. “You can’t say hummus is Syrian or Lebanese, and you can’t say tabbouleh is Palestinian. So the Arabic cuisine I cook, I call it ‘Food from the Levant.’"

    Obviously there were also recent historical migrations across borders that didn't then exist.
    For one (above), his Syrian grandmother. For another:

    || his Palestinian family, whose roots in Acre trace back 300 years

    Obviously 300 years is a long time, and they have every right to stay where they are, but it doesn't make one "indigenous".
    It's the same time-frame as Europeans - and later Chinese - arriving in the Americas.


    Here's the kicker, though: the flow - from Israel to the Arab world - is exactly the opposite of what the trolls imagine:

    AyaTrolLiar> Of course they eat Palestinian food. What native food do they have of their own?

    He denies Jewish ethnicity, so why would he even expect there to exist Jewish ethnic food? icon_rolleyes.gif

    || Ms. Atamna-Ismaeel calls the upgrade in Israel’s Arab food a “revolution,” and says that in a few years, she believes it will spread beyond the country’s borders.

    || “Right now, we’re seeing it in Israeli-Arab areas, but soon I think Palestinians [in the West Bank and Gaza Strip] will also be influenced, and from there it will spread to different parts of the world,” she told me.

    || Asked what the movement would be called, she hesitated. “Israeli-Arab cuisine, or Palestinian-Israeli cuisine, maybe. It’s political, and it’s complicated,” she said.

    Hopefully one day soon it will be less complicated:

    Let's talk peace: The two-state solution
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    Sadly the haters outside the region will be slower to come around.
    For them there is no cost to maximal demands and rejecting peace.

    Why does virulent Anti-Semitism play such a large role in MidEast discussions on RJ?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4015076
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 22, 2016 7:31 AM GMT
    See also:

    Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
    (Judaism is a religion, Jews are an ethnic group)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/494893

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    and early 20th century Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

    Arabs (like Arabic) NOT indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4019405

    The Palestine Paradox
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2652202

    The Emergence of Palestinian Arab Nationalism in the Mid-to-Late 20th Century
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4193729

    Jerusalem
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/887747

    Jerusalem was NEVER an Arab Capital, not even of Jund Filastin ~1,000 years ago,
    a military district of foreign Arab empires that occupied Israel
    (Spain was occupied for longer, and more recently)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4222798
  • mwolverine

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    Nov 22, 2016 5:22 PM GMT
    See? There he trolls again.
    The AyaTrolLiar can never discuss a topic in its thread.
    His propaganda lies always spammed elsewhere.


    Hilarious how the lunatic racist cooks and clings to genetic "percentages".
    Not that it matters, but in the USA someone who is only 8% Native American is Native American.

    As has been discussed in those other threads, it has to do with groups and identification, not genes.
    (I only brought up genetic studies to dispel their ultimate Anti-semitic lie that Jews aren't even Jews.)

    The Jewish ethnogenesis was in the Land of Israel more than 3,000 years ago.
    The Palestinian Arab ethnogenesis was in the 20th century.
    (His own foremost expert source stating in response to Zionism.)

    One can't claim that a group invented in the 20th century, by post WW I borders, is "indigenous".

    Still waiting for them to explain what makes Nayef Hawatmeh (a Palestinian Arab terrorist leader, born around 1938 to a Bedouin Christian tribe in Salt - Trans-Jordan) a "Palestinian".

    Indeed, it's even more hilarious that they claim that Armenians, Bedouins, Circassians and Druze - and migrant Egyptians, Saudis, Yemenites, Syrians, Lebanese and even Sudanese) are "indigenous" "Palestinians" yet these are all groups that settled in the region , many of them more recently than Europeans and Chinese settled in the Americas (Circassians in the late 19th century, a wave of Egyptians in the mid-19th century, Bedouins in the 18th century).

    One second they define "Palestinians" as anyone who lived in a nebulous geographic area about 100 years ago - even Jews (which they misleadingly call Arab Jews, even as they claim "Palestinians" aren't Arab?), the next minute they pretend it is an ancient ethnic group.

    Arabs (like Arabic) NOT indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4019405

    The Palestine Paradox
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2652202

    The Emergence of Palestinian Arab Nationalism in the Mid-to-Late 20th Century
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4193729


    Now back to this thread, which is in the FOOD section and discusses CUISINE.