Studies Show that Supplements Are More Like Snake Oil

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    Nov 17, 2016 2:43 AM GMT
    NYT: Americans spend more than $30 billion a year on dietary supplements — vitamins, minerals and herbal products, among others — many of which are unnecessary or of doubtful benefit to those taking them. That comes to about $100 a year for every man, woman and child for substances that are often of questionable value.

    In an editorial entitled “The Supplement Paradox: Negligible Benefits, Robust Consumption” accompanying the new report, Dr. Pieter A. Cohen, of Cambridge Health Alliance and Somerville Hospital Primary Care in Massachusetts, pointed out that “supplements are essential to treat vitamin and mineral deficiencies” and that certain combinations of nutrients can help some medical conditions, like age-related macular degeneration. He added, however, “for the majority of adults, supplements likely provide little, if any, benefit.”

    Among the changes found in the new study: multivitamin/mineral use declined to 31 percent from 37 percent, “and the rates of vitamin C, vitamin E and selenium use decreased, perhaps in response to research findings showing no benefit,” Dr. Cohen wrote. Sometimes people do act sensibly when faced with solid evidence.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/well/eat/studies-show-little-benefit-in-supplements.html?
  • NealJohn

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    Nov 17, 2016 7:21 PM GMT
    It's all poison. If somebody doesn't have the mental will power and ability to maintain their body then they are unworthy of it.
  • Rower1950

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    Nov 21, 2016 2:30 AM GMT
    Of course supplements are snakeoil.

    Why else wold Utah's Senator-for-Life Orrin Hatch have worked so hard to deregulate them?
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    Nov 22, 2016 9:08 PM GMT
    Depends on the supplements. Deca, test, tren, HGH, I supplement and I see results every time I do. =P
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 24, 2016 12:07 AM GMT
    NealJohn saidIt's all poison. If somebody doesn't have the mental will power and ability to maintain their body then they are unworthy of it.
    What do you call all the processed and fast food that most Americans love too muchicon_question.gif
  • Noeton

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    Nov 24, 2016 3:33 AM GMT
    WestCoastJock saidI disagree because I had low Vitamin D in one of my blood tests. Because I do not go in the sun too much here because the sun is very strong, I started taking Vitamin D supplements and at my next blood test 6 months later my levels of Vitamin D were back in the normal range.


    I agree about supplemental vitamin D -- based on my experience. About the various others, except in case of deficiencies, the article may well be true... despite a lot of what you can read about supplements online.
  • mybud

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    Dec 18, 2016 10:13 PM GMT
    If you're eating properly and drinking at least 8-12oz glasses a water a day, combined with consistent exercise...you need nothing else.
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    Dec 19, 2016 1:15 AM GMT
    We take a few vitamin supplements, as prescribed by our doctor (whom we both share). The main one is vitamin D. This is based on blood work, copies of which I have. We don't take supplements based on what we ourselves think we might need, or upon what others suggest we take, but on actual lab results, reviewed by a physician.

    So that I think supplements can have their uses in a diet. But based on what our bodies tell us, not on what we tell our bodies.

  • Mncub22

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    May 20, 2017 8:48 PM GMT
    Getting vitamins and minerals will always be better from a natural food source because taking those in combination with other things can often help the vitamin to be better absorbed.

    Also, vitamins would probably be more useful if the fda had the power to control and provide regulations on vitamins and supplements. You can't always trust that what a bottle says it is is accurate.

    I personally like certain supplements, and I'm someone who loves using a preworkout that I'm sure is bad for me, but people do worse things to their bodies.
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    Mncub22 saidGetting vitamins and minerals will always be better from a natural food source because taking those in combination with other things can often help the vitamin to be better absorbed.

    That's such baloney. Logical and reasonable sounding, but still baloney.

    I read a book by a biochemist and he debunked this myth pointing out that the absorption of vitamins is the usual molecular process. Vitamins are molecules and there are "receptors" (or whatever they're called) for specific vitamins and other nutrients. When our body needs a specific nutrient the receptors allow them into it. The nutrient's molecule has to have exactly the right shape (or geometry). For example, if it's vitamin C that's needed, the receptor doesn't know or care if it was artificially produced or if it came from plants; the vitamin C molecule is the same in either case.
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    Jun 16, 2017 12:13 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    NealJohn saidIt's all poison. If somebody doesn't have the mental will power and ability to maintain their body then they are unworthy of it.
    What do you call all the processed and fast food that most Americans love too muchicon_question.gif


    Understood, but processed and fast foods are cheap, and supplements $$$$ - you can get fifty value meals for the price of one 4 lb tub of protein powder!
  • mwolverine

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    Aug 02, 2017 5:49 PM GMT
    A lot of the physicians I work with prescribe Vitamin D3.
    About the only other I take semi-regularly is glucosamine/chondrotin/MSM - which my vet likes, too (and seemed to help my dog, who used to be on an anti-inflammatory which was replaced by that).

    But:

    || “other products continued to be used at the same rate despite major studies demonstrating no benefit over placebo.” Thus, the use of glucosamine-chondroitin to relieve arthritic pain remained unaffected by the negative results in 2006 of the Glucosamine/Chondroitin Arthritis Intervention Trial and several follow-up analyses.


    Also interesting:

    || Perhaps most enlightening were the data on the characteristics of supplement users. In all probability, they were among the healthiest members of the population. They were more likely than nonusers to report being in very good or excellent health, to use alcohol moderately, to refrain from cigarette smoking, to exercise frequently and to have health insurance. Other studies have shown that supplement use is also more frequent among those who are older, who weigh less and have higher levels of education and socioeconomic status.

    So there you have it... health nuts! icon_smile.gif
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Aug 13, 2017 8:57 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    Mncub22 saidGetting vitamins and minerals will always be better from a natural food source because taking those in combination with other things can often help the vitamin to be better absorbed.

    That's such baloney. Logical and reasonable sounding, but still baloney.

    I read a book by a biochemist and he debunked this myth pointing out that the absorption of vitamins is the usual molecular process. Vitamins are molecules and there are "receptors" (or whatever they're called) for specific vitamins and other nutrients. When our body needs a specific nutrient the receptors allow them into it. The nutrient's molecule has to have exactly the right shape (or geometry). For example, if it's vitamin C that's needed, the receptor doesn't know or care if it was artificially produced or if it came from plants; the vitamin C molecule is the same in either case.


    Who is this person who wrote this book? The least you can do is provide us with a sound source to check out this information for ourselves.

    Here Dr. Neal Barnard M.D. (author of seventeen books on nutrition) asserts that Vitamin E should be consumed in its natural state and that it comes in eight forms. These eight forms can be consumed by eating natural foods that contain Vitamin E. He also claims that vitamin supplement companies may only provide one form and are legally allowed to still call it Vitamin E. But over-consumption of one form can lead to a deficiency in others. He mentions Vitamin E here in this video at 8:35: