Why do men of short and average height fail to look muscular if it's so easy for them?

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    Dec 11, 2016 7:12 AM GMT
    A 5'7 lean man can look muscular with as little as 155lbs. The same goes for 5'8 (160lbs) or 5'9 (165lbs)

    It's not like these guys start bodybuilding weighing 90lbs: the very skinny guys around those heights start with 125lbs. Just 30lbs are all it takes to make such guys look muscular. 30lbs which are easily and naturally achievable in 2 to 5 years without any drastic diet.

    Mother Nature hands it to them on a plate, yet they waste the opportunity.

    We should be seeing a lot more muscular guys at that height range if our expectations are proportional to how easy it is for such guys to look muscular.

    So why don't we?
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    Dec 11, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
    I think the reality is that it is easier but the perception is that it is not. If you do a search of muscular RJers, many of them are short in height. But these short RJers probably overcome the perception.
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    Dec 11, 2016 6:44 PM GMT
    NOLAman1977 saidAs a bodybuilding friend once told me: If it was easy everyone would do it. It also takes discipline.


    Still it's less than you would need if you needed to gain more than 30lbs. Gaining and keeping those 30lbs is easy.
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    Dec 11, 2016 6:48 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidI think the reality is that it is easier but the perception is that it is not. If you do a search of muscular RJers, many of them are short in height. But these short RJers probably overcome the perception.


    Maybe they actually think it's so easy they fall asleep at the wheel. Like tortoise and the hare.
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    Dec 13, 2016 12:54 AM GMT
    I get where you're coming from, but it's not a priority for everyone. It may take less time for them to look a particular way, but they're still going to have to workout 4x a week and eat properly. It's hard to do when you're working full time time while maintaining a social life.

    I definitely find it frustrating that I broke 177lbs recently but at 6'1", I feel like my hard work doesn't "show". I've been hitting the gym hard for the last 3 months and while my lifts are going up, I feel like my size isn't.
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    Dec 13, 2016 1:44 AM GMT
    I'm not sure if it's just height or other genetics that determine muscularity.
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    Dec 13, 2016 6:24 AM GMT
    How come all YOUNG men aren't muscular when it's so easy for them? (Relative to geezers like me.)

    1) Not everyone is into muscles (gasp!).
    2) They don't know it's easier for them.
    3) It's less work for them, but it's still work.

    I'm sure it's the same with the shorter fellas, not all of whom are into the "fireplug" look.

    As for the tall guys, I agree with Bachian's assertion in other related threads that tall muscular men are both (to paraphrase) rare and spectacular. The end result is well worth the effort, which begs the question why there aren't more of them. If I were 6'5" I'd gladly double my efforts.
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    Dec 14, 2016 1:01 AM GMT
    paracosm saidI get where you're coming from, but it's not a priority for everyone. It may take less time for them to look a particular way, but they're still going to have to workout 4x a week and eat properly. It's hard to do when you're working full time time while maintaining a social life.

    I definitely find it frustrating that I broke 177lbs recently but at 6'1", I feel like my hard work doesn't "show". I've been hitting the gym hard for the last 3 months and while my lifts are going up, I feel like my size isn't.


    At one time I was at my dentist's office and I told her "I've already gained 20lbs since I started working out!" -- that's when I was at 160lbs. She just said: "Where?!" icon_eek.gif
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    Dec 14, 2016 1:05 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidHow come all YOUNG men aren't muscular when it's so easy for them? (Relative to geezers like me.)


    Oh no, terrible reminder! icon_eek.gif

    I like guys around my age but when I find one who's a gym virgin I have to refrain from thinking he already missed the boat.
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    Dec 14, 2016 9:22 AM GMT
    bachian saidA 5'7 lean man can look muscular with as little as 155lbs. The same goes for 5'8 (160lbs) or 5'9 (165lbs)

    It's not like these guys start bodybuilding weighing 90lbs: the very skinny guys around those heights start with 125lbs. Just 30lbs are all it takes to make such guys look muscular. 30lbs which are easily and naturally achievable in 2 to 5 years without any drastic diet.

    Mother Nature hands it to them on a plate, yet they waste the opportunity.

    We should be seeing a lot more muscular guys at that height range if our expectations are proportional to how easy it is for such guys to look muscular.

    So why don't we?


    I wish it really were that easy, as you say and seem to think! I'm 5'5'' and the most I've ever weighed is 134 lbs. When I started going to the gym about 20+ years ago I weighed about 125 lbs, so in all these years I've only ever managed to gain barely 10 lbs. I've been "skinny" all my life and putting on weight has always been a huge struggle. I agree, it takes a lot of dedication and discipline to reach workout goals, as well as maintaining proper nutrition and diet. But sometimes it's just plain genetics that seem to determine how much you are able to gain, or even possibly hamper your ability. For most of these years I've tried to maintain going to the gym 3X per week. Due to work and other commitments it hasn't always been easy to do so, but for the most part I've been able to keep this schedule. Perhaps for someone like me, I'd have to go 4 or maybe 5X per week to really achieve my goal (which is to reach a weight of somewhere between 135 - 140 lbs for my height and I would be super happy!) I don't know...as I get older and I'm 50 years old now, I sometimes wonder why am going to the gym and trying to kill myself pushing heavier weights so that I can gain another 5-15 lbs of muscle?? Even at my age, I do feel that I'm in pretty much the best shape of my life, save for my teen years when I was competitive gymnast. I still go to the gym regularly to at least maintain my shape and feel good staying healthy and fit. Maybe that's what it really should be all about, rather than how much muscle you can gain to reach some arbitrary number that you've determined for yourself...
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    Dec 14, 2016 12:51 PM GMT
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    Unfortunately I don't know what you actually ate. To say "I can't gain" is something I hear all the time from many folks, only to find that the guy couldn't or wouldn't make the effort to eat. I never had a big appetite, I work full time and I still managed to fit in all the meals. Working out 3x a week would be sufficient to make you gain 30lbs, your diet is the likely culprit.
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    Dec 14, 2016 2:27 PM GMT
    ^ I say it is almost always the diet, rest and lastly the lifting.
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    Dec 14, 2016 6:21 PM GMT
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    eagermuscle saidHow come all YOUNG men aren't muscular when it's so easy for them? (Relative to geezers like me.)


    Oh no, terrible reminder! icon_eek.gif

    I like guys around my age but when I find one who's a gym virgin I have to refrain from thinking he already missed the boat.


    Missed the boat? I missed the uber to the train to the tram to the boat and I didn't turn out so bad.
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    Dec 14, 2016 6:30 PM GMT
    Yeah it's definitely diet or they just don't want to be muscular.
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    Dec 15, 2016 1:05 PM GMT
    Diabro saidYeah it's definitely diet or they just don't want to be muscular.
    There is way too much emphasis on diet that is why this sport is such a major turn off for most normal people like myself. Body builders and personal trainers expect you to be like a light switch in terms of changing your diet which is totally unrealistic. They also expect you to live on a diet of nuts, twigs, and protein shakes.
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    Dec 16, 2016 1:51 AM GMT
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    That means you never wanted to be muscular, which is totally fine. But don't suggest (as you're doing on other threads) this lifestyle is strict... It's a choice and every choice is a renunciation, including the choice (and renunciations) of being an average guy who eats whatever whenever.

    You choose the foods you bring to your table. I choose the guys I bring to my bed.

    From my perspective your lifestyle is very strict.
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    Dec 16, 2016 2:40 AM GMT
    ^ Ouch!
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    Dec 20, 2016 10:31 PM GMT
    bachian said^
    You choose the foods you bring to your table. I choose the guys I bring to my bed.

    From my perspective your lifestyle is very strict.


    Ooooh! Choose me! (I can listen to you talk all day.)
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    Jan 29, 2017 5:23 AM GMT
    OP is forgetting that ectomorphs are genetically programmed to stay slender. I weightlift more than 95% of the guys my age and I've been doing that for several years. As soon as I crank up the food intake I put on weight, alright, just not muscle. Fortunately my body rebounds back to the same weight range like its some kind of "centre of gravity", though, once I lay off junk food for a while.

    Maybe if I exercised when I was young I might have put on a lot more muscle, but I just don't think so in my heart of hearts....
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    Jan 29, 2017 6:09 AM GMT
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    You ignore the fact that OP is an ecto. I'm 6'2. I started with 140lbs when I was 24. If that isn't extremely thin, tell me what is.

    When you gain muscle, your metabolism gets even faster and today I lose weight faster than when I started. That is your "center of gravity": the more muscle you gain, the faster you lose it. I can lose 10lbs in a matter of days. It's no wonder ectos feel like they're being pulled down.

    That can be averted as long as you eat what's required to sustain that mass. That is the part where you failed. Either because you didn't know how to (which ingredients to use, how often to eat, how to manage low appetite) or because you didn't want to (because that's too much commitment, you may have other priorities, maybe you don't want to be muscular anyway) but do not say ectos can't grow muscular as a way to excuse your lack of knowledge or willingness.


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    Jan 29, 2017 4:51 PM GMT
    Youre right....youre absolutely right.

    Short guys generally have it MUCH easier...but...either they dont have it together food/gym/PRIORITY wise, or they started too late, or they dont wanna be muscular in the first place!
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    Mar 12, 2017 4:18 AM GMT
    Am I missing something?

    If they (we!) are short/average height, and get up to 155.. and gain 10-15 lbs in the process, how is that different from a tall person starting at a higher weight, with a bigger build and also adding 15lbs?

    Aren't you really talking about tall people who are significantly underweight for a tall person, and then needing to add 2x that before they look muscular?

    Short / average height people can also be underweight.. 98 lbs was your example..
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    Mar 12, 2017 6:48 AM GMT
    Actually, the majority of short guys I see ARE built. I know many short dudes who don't even workout and they're muscular as fuck. It's so much easier for them because they have leverage working in their favor. Me, with my orangutan arms, have a really hard time gaining muscle. Meanwhile, these short dudes get stacked just by lifting a pencil it seems. You're the only person I've ever seen of our height that has actually put on that much muscle. I wish I had the knowledge you have so I could do it myself.
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    Mar 12, 2017 7:15 AM GMT
    Adam228 saidAm I missing something?

    If they (we!) are short/average height, and get up to 155.. and gain 10-15 lbs in the process, how is that different from a tall person starting at a higher weight, with a bigger build and also adding 15lbs?

    Aren't you really talking about tall people who are significantly underweight for a tall person, and then needing to add 2x that before they look muscular?

    Short / average height people can also be underweight.. 98 lbs was your example..


    Regardless of your weight, the shorter you are, the more volume you'll get for each pound gained. A 1L bottle is full with 1L, but a 2L bottle is only half full with the same amount.