Ex-college wrestler sentenced to 30 years for exposing men to HIV will get a new trial

  • metta

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    Dec 21, 2016 7:56 PM GMT
    Ex-college wrestler sentenced to 30 years for exposing men to HIV will get a new trial

    https://www.queerty.com/ex-college-wrestler-sentenced-30-years-exposing-men-hiv-will-get-new-trial-20161221
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    Dec 23, 2016 8:25 PM GMT
    I will agree that there are some cases which involve the most draconian impact on Poz Guys are in in need of review. I am not in support of a general repeal of these type of laws when they're constructed in a manner that does not place all HIV Poz guys without any legal protection even when they have done everything in their power to be non-infectious.

    i will never agree that when their is an infection of which it is well established can be checked if it is same strain, that anything less than jail is appropriate. Health Authorities need to prioritize public health over the rights of HIV poz men to have sex. I have become aware that in some countries, sexual health advise borders on negligence because they advocate to strongly for Poz mens sex rights which is worthy of support provided they remain legally responsible for transmission. There is no evidence that men will not test because of laws requiring disclosure. Poz men, most of whom would do all they could to not infect others, need not fear legal protection for HIV neg men from those Poz men in the minority who's behavior endangers the sexual health of others.

    The plain facts are that free/affordable and confidential testing being available and affordable follow up treatment with the aim of a UVL is what encourages greater numbers being tested. Those men who would avoid testing due to laws requiring disclosure and an onus to be responsible for any infection of others, will not get tested anyway face up to the reality. Those are the very same guys who have multiple other issues and are most likely to suffer medical issues which will provide an opportunity for medical assessment including HIV test of which hospitals who suspect should have the power to do so without consent. The person can then be informed and if they continue to ignore their responsibility to not infect others, take away their freedom.

    We shouldn't fear HIV poz men in general at all but that doesn't excuse them from acknowledging they have a responsibility to not infect others or HIV will cease to be a manageable disease and become an epidemic once again. Prep and UVL are great tools but should never become legal defences, if infection happens despite that proper care has not been exercised so full force of the law is appropriate. My public health vs Poz gusy sex rights, hmmmmm, I wonder which is more important to you huh
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    Dec 24, 2016 5:54 AM GMT
    Wow and yet again, no one who is poz accepts responsibility for his actions
  • Ubeaut

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    Jan 01, 2017 10:33 PM GMT
    Disclosure laws do more harm than good.
    They create the illusion in negative guys they they can and will avoid having sex with people living with HIV. HIV incidence is driven by the pool of undiagnosed and untreated people living with HIV.

    Treatment as Prevention (undetectable viral load) does work to prevent transmission. There has never been a proven case of transmission where viral load is less than 200.
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    Jan 02, 2017 6:29 PM GMT
    Ubeaut saidDisclosure laws do more harm than good.
    They create the illusion in negative guys they they can and will avoid having sex with people living with HIV. HIV incidence is driven by the pool of undiagnosed and untreated people living with HIV.

    Treatment as Prevention (undetectable viral load) does work to prevent transmission. There has never been a proven case of transmission where viral load is less than 200.


    You do make a good point in the last line. The first one is unproven and not backed by any evidence. I also agree with illyriak2000, there is no excuse why POZ guys can't disclose. Do you understand that people will never begin to trust Science about UVL if POZ guys continue to withhold their status. Laws that required disclosure are good for public health, the only proven impediment to greater levels of testing is the availability of testing and that its affordable as well as the treatment when applicable afterwards. Why is it that people who are Poz and have a UVL fear disclosure laws?? They should be the biggest supporters because the Poz guys who do the wrong thing and don't get treated are a public health menace. Any mechanism to remove those menaces should be better for those Poz men who are doing the right thing.

    But lets tell the truth, the opposition from Poz rights group isnt about Public Health its actually about Anti discrimination by HIV negative people against Poz guys. Lets stop the pretense
  • musclmed

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    Jan 03, 2017 12:45 AM GMT
    I have encountered worse stories , which makes this punishment seem harsh. It seems he didnt have adequate counsel. His conviction was reversed and he is awaiting a new trial. It makes the whole article dishonest.

    I do not get the sex offender bit. Its not totally congruent with the crime.

    The laws differ in each state . But here i think they would have had to prove he knew he was positive but gave information that said he was negative.

    Lying on a hookup ap or in text messaging may have sunk him. Saying you are not sure would have been a legitimate answer.
  • Ubeaut

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    Jan 03, 2017 2:40 AM GMT
    I don't fear disclosure laws, I think they don't create any public health benefits.
  • musclmed

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    Jan 03, 2017 7:14 AM GMT
    Ubeaut saidI don't fear disclosure laws, I think they don't create any public health benefits.


    they are not for public health benefits. Its the extension of using a deadly weapon.
  • MuscledHorse

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    Jan 09, 2017 1:13 PM GMT
    If he ad been asked by a partner and lied about it, that is one thing. But, if they just let him mount and breed them, whether in a home, a sex club or a bar, without asking or just assuming, then the bottoms have zero to whine about. And unless they were lied to they deserve nothing and he should be freed. If you are really that concerned about HIV you should not be letting a guy mount you bare. Period.
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    Jan 15, 2017 6:00 PM GMT
    The question that has to be asked is this, Did he knowlingly infrect others? If so, no sympathy from me. If no transmission occured and particularly if he took precautions the punishment is harsh. Assuming he did actually do it, to have people like this free to infect others sets all the gains back in reducing so called stigma of HIV Neg people dating known HIV Poz guys. There should be hiding behind the "they should have used protection" cop-out and any Poz person who supports anyone who does this is inviting stigma on themselves. If he truly did not infect anyone he has a good case to be released and deserves our support. however from what I have read he is guilty and needs to be kept away from civil society while he ponders his actions