GOP Gov. Huntsman of Utah comes out in support of civil unions

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    Feb 15, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
    Well, this is certainly a big surprise. The Republican governor of the most socially conservative state in the union has endorsed a bill creating civil unions for same-sex couples though 70% of Utahians (or what ever they are called) oppose civil unions and the bill has no chance of getting passed in the very conservative legislature.

    Here is the Atlantic's article.
    Here is analysis of what this could mean for the GOP primary in 2012.
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    Feb 15, 2009 7:54 PM GMT
    That is a stunner. I would never have believed it. I'll have to read more about the impact this decision may have. Thanks for sharing.
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    Feb 15, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
    So why does a politician endorse a guaranteed dead-end measure? Why does he even bother? He can't be serious, so there is obviously some trickery here.
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    Feb 15, 2009 8:13 PM GMT
    Good! Yes I am so stunned by it!
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    Feb 15, 2009 11:37 PM GMT
    I think the analysis says it well. Civil unions are already supported by a majority and plurality in this country, and even though Republicans are probably less inclined to support them, the movement gains momentum by a few percentage points each year. Thus, a majority of Republicans could support the idea by 2012 when people suspect Hutchinson will make a run for president. Keep in mind, Civil Unions are an increasingly popular tool for conservatives to placate/quite LGBT activists without truly creating equality. Personally, I think everyone should have to get a civil union to be recognized by the government, and if your religion wants to give you a religious marriage license, that's their right. But leave the government out of marriage.
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    Feb 15, 2009 11:43 PM GMT
    This was posted on queerty.com and I will basically post the same thing that I posted there. Call me a cynic, but it is easy to verbally support something when there's not a chance in hell of a piece of legislation regarding the issue making it to your desk. I think that's the case here.
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    Feb 15, 2009 11:45 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidSo why does a politician endorse a guaranteed dead-end measure? Why does he even bother? He can't be serious, so there is obviously some trickery here.


    I think you're trying too hard to find some Macchiavellian scheme in this. Even politicians are occasionally capable of doing something solely because they think it's the right thing to do.
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    Feb 15, 2009 11:56 PM GMT
    He supports a dead-end measure so the Repubs can point to it and make like they are more moderate group, knowing full well it will never pass so it is just a smoke and mirrors stunt.
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    Feb 16, 2009 12:34 AM GMT
    Why am I not surprised. Has Mr President, sent out word yet about making any moves, for the advancement of homosexuals in the USA? Such things may force him to act. I'm sure he would not want the Republican Party to seem more progressive than the Democrats.

    But as we all know. Even if the homosexual of the USA had full equality, still not every-one would be happy.
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    Feb 16, 2009 1:13 AM GMT
    dfrw saidThis was posted on queerty.com and I will basically post the same thing that I posted there. Call me a cynic, but it is easy to verbally support something when there's not a chance in hell of a piece of legislation regarding the issue making it to your desk. I think that's the case here.


    Read the second link I posted. He is not running for a third term as governor and he is losing considerable political capital by supporting this. He gains nothing by supporting this measure but loses a good deal of street cred with the conservative base. The linked article argues that evolving attitudes nationwide towards civil unions will make a more traditional GOP platform even more obsolete in national elections.

    I can understand being a cynic. The GOP and Utah has been no friend to our community, but that is becoming less and less pragmatic in national politics. It will be good to see the GOP crawl out of the dark ages.
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    Feb 16, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
    TexDef07 saidI think you're trying too hard to find some Macchiavellian scheme in this. Even politicians are occasionally capable of doing something solely because they think it's the right thing to do.

    The Republican Governor of Mormon Utah, capable of doing the right thing regarding gay rights? These are the very same deceitful things of which Machiavelli wrote. How remarkably childish & naive are some gays here.
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    Feb 16, 2009 2:14 AM GMT
    Wow I'm shocked. Is it a sincere gesture though or just a ploy to assuage the bad sentiments toward the Mormon Church over Prop 8?
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    Feb 16, 2009 2:29 AM GMT
    luvjunkie saidWow I'm shocked. Is it a sincere gesture though or just a ploy to assuage the bad sentiments toward the Mormon Church over Prop 8?

    I wonder that you may not have found the correct reason in the latter.
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    Feb 16, 2009 2:50 AM GMT
    We can't read his mind. It could be a move purely for possible future political gain or it could be that, even though he knows it won't pass, he hopes that by "coming out" for it, he may help to move things along. What was once unthinkable becomes thinkable and then possible and then finally happens. Some people will think, "If a guy like him supports this, maybe it's not so bad."

    The first time a baby tries to walk, he will fail. Eventually, he'll succeed. Without the failure, the success never comes.
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    Feb 16, 2009 3:10 AM GMT
    theatrengym said What was once unthinkable becomes thinkable and then possible and then finally happens.


    Agreed. You have a better chance to progress if you assume that those who disagree with you are human beings capable of making moral choices, and may be persuaded to choose the better.
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    Feb 16, 2009 11:25 AM GMT
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    The linked article argues that evolving attitudes nationwide towards civil unions will make a more traditional GOP platform even more obsolete in national elections.

    I can understand being a cynic. The GOP and Utah has been no friend to our community, but that is becoming less and less pragmatic in national politics. It will be good to see the GOP crawl out of the dark ages.


    The Republican Party will need to travel the same path as the Tory Party has in Britain. As David Brooks wrote in the NYT, the Republican Party will likely become even more conservative, but after doing so it will realize that it is relegating itself to the trash heap with its exclusionary and backwards social platform that appeals to few and particularly, even fewer younger people. Only after this severe turn to the right will the party truly transform itself through moderation.

    Well, I guess we'll wait and see what happens.