Minimum wage $ 15.00 an hour

  • oscarmartinez...

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    Jan 11, 2017 2:00 PM GMT
    Do you think minimum wage should be increased to $ 15 00? I do not, you should build your wage up by longevity as an incentive to work. I feel that smaller companies will close because they can not keep up with the new. wage which will put people unemployed. A smart move for big companies to extinguish thier competition.
  • Unzipped1

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    Jan 11, 2017 2:09 PM GMT
    I don't think it should be increased to 15 an hour, but I do think an increase is necessary to keep up with the cost of living which has increased over the years, while the wage has remained the same.

    I really feel that the minimum wage should not be increased at one general standard rate but the rate should be raised on a scale according to the type of job. Increase fast food to 8 an hour, and raise the pay rate according to the skills needed to do jobs that do not require a degree or certification based on the skill level needed.
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    Jan 11, 2017 5:51 PM GMT
    No. Wages are a function of competition for that job.

    Competition keeps the market in place. Perfect example.....supermarket checkers work 3x faster now because of technology like scanners, credit cards, etc. than 40 years ago (Back then the checker read the price label, pushed buttons on a cash register....then waited for the customer to write a check....very time consuming. )

    - Does the supermarket checker earn 3x more money? No
    - Does the business earn higher profits? No. (Competitors use the same technology. )
    - Who benefits from the efficiency? The customer.

    A $15/hr wage will do the reverse. Higher costs paid by the customer....which means they'll need higher wages to keep their standard of living. The $15/hr wage earner will see higher costs for rent, gas, food, etc. not a better standard of living. So, it will be inflationary, and the biggest losers will be retirees.

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    Jan 11, 2017 6:22 PM GMT
    Definitely not nation wide. $15/hr min wage makes sense for people living in NYC or SF alone. For it to happen in places like Memphis (for ex) would destroy the job market and drive the cost of living WAY up.
  • CumminsGuy

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    Jan 11, 2017 6:27 PM GMT
    Minimum wage, like most government regulations, exists because business fails to be a good citizen of their country. Minimum wage prevents labor exploitation leading to people working full-time jobs and still collecting government assistance. It can also be looked at as market incentive to use your labour wisely and effectively.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 11, 2017 6:44 PM GMT
    CumminsGuy saidMinimum wage, like most government regulations, exists because business fails to be a good citizen of their country. Minimum wage prevents labor exploitation leading to people working full-time jobs and still collecting government assistance. It can also be looked at as market incentive to use your labour wisely and effectively.
    Exactly!
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    Jan 11, 2017 10:22 PM GMT
    It should be a states rights decision. If Americans wanted $15 per hour minimum wage, Trump wouldn't have been elected.
  • FitBlackCuddl...

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    Jan 11, 2017 11:03 PM GMT
    Minimum wage ought to have been $15/hr LONG AGO. The cost of living/housing is presently out of this world. By pitching $15/hr to 2020, employers/US Congress can already project how weak the rate will be with increased inflation and general costs.

    Employers are presently shameless. They want the an array of skills AND experience--for $11.00/hr. Some even demand some kind of degree in order to be a minimum wage file clerk.
  • Apparition

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    Jan 12, 2017 12:31 AM GMT
    Minimum wage should be a "whichever is higher" function with one option being a % of the average CEO compensation estimated for the previous and future 5 years. Even 1% would be a start. Alternatively, the CEO should be taxed of compensation above the difference in the actual lowest wage and his wage above that 1%. This would push equality measures much more easily than the current pauper and king model we now have.
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    Jan 12, 2017 12:47 AM GMT
    FitBlackCuddler saidMinimum wage ought to have been $15/hr LONG AGO. The cost of living/housing is presently out of this world. By pitching $15/hr to 2020, employers/US Congress can already project how weak the rate will be with increased inflation and general costs.

    Employers are presently shameless. They want the an array of skills AND experience--for $11.00/hr. Some even demand some kind of degree in order to be a minimum wage file clerk.



    It's called MINIMUM wage for a reason. Obviously, you're not a business owner. Imagine having a slow month and picture 15 bucks being yanked from your wallet every hour of the day. That's a lot of money during a slow period. And not many people are sitting on mountains of reserves these days.
  • buddycat

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    Jan 12, 2017 4:03 AM GMT
    I don't know about this "pay based on work" because that is not the case most of the times. In my experience corporations will always try to get more work for less pay. A woman I worked with was doing more work than I was at the same pay rate because they put her "in charge" and gave her mundane office work.
  • Unzipped1

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    Jan 12, 2017 4:09 AM GMT
    NOLAman1977 said
    Radd said
    FitBlackCuddler said...



    It's called MINIMUM wage for a reason. Obviously, you're not a business owner. Imagine having a slow month and picture 15 bucks being yanked from your wallet every hour of the day. That's a lot of money during a slow period. And not many people are sitting on mountains of reserves these days.


    Yes, it's called minimum because it more often than not requires only minimum training. When a drunk monkey can do your job, chances are you will be making minimum wage.

    You want to make more than minimum wage? Prepare yourself for the work world. Get training. Get an education beyond high school. Research the job market and learn what professions will be in demand.


    I agree, a mailman is not a job that requires more than just shadowing another employee until you learn the routine, so they certainly will never make 90k a year based on the claim of a delusional old mailman who is also a member of these forums. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 12, 2017 5:13 AM GMT
    NOLAman1977 said
    S2Ki said...

    Competition keeps the market in place. Perfect example.....supermarket checkers work 3x faster now because of technology like scanners, credit cards, etc. than 40 years ago (Back then the checker read the price label, pushed buttons on a cash register....then waited for the customer to write a check....very time consuming. )

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    Please years ago I worked in the Stone Age Supermarket when "the checker read the price label, pushed buttons on a cash register..." and I was faster than the cashiers today with scanners. So no, I don't believe in a $15.00 minimum wage.


    I don't support the $15/hr either. My point is that cost reductions or increases are always passed onto the customer. Liberal politicians sell these things by saying the "greedy business owner" will pay for it. They know it isn't true, but it a vote getter in liberal circles.
  • christastic

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    Jan 12, 2017 5:28 AM GMT
    Unzipped1 said...Increase fast food to 8 an hour...


    And some people drive for like half an hour to get to these shitty jobs. Can't imagine getting out of bed to make so little.

    Minimum wage is at least $11 in most of socialist Canada icon_lol.gif. Most co-op jobs during university start at $15-20. Anyone not a student anymore should be making $25-30/hr.
  • Unzipped1

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    Jan 12, 2017 5:41 AM GMT
    christastic said
    Unzipped1 said...Increase fast food to 8 an hour...


    And some people drive for like half an hour to get to these shitty jobs. Can't imagine getting out of bed to make so little.

    Minimum wage is at least $11 in most of socialist Canada icon_lol.gif. Most co-op jobs during university start at $15-20. Anyone not a student anymore should be making $25-30/hr.


    I was being very realistic as to what the U.S. government would consider as an increase. If a mandatory increase was required, the government would try and select the smallest increase possible. Around 8 to 9 max is what citizens in the U.S should expect if an increase occurred.

    Canada and many countries globally have things right in a lot of areas that the U.S. lack in.
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    Jan 12, 2017 6:17 AM GMT
    I never support this. I remembered the minimum wage was $7.00, when I was working at Burger King and Mervyn's. Now kids hold banner makes $15 for each hour by the street! Ridiculous! Here in Arizona, it starts 10 and in June the minimum wage will change to 12.

    Now everything will be expensive, foods, house, gas, and medicines etc.
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    Jan 12, 2017 6:20 AM GMT
    I don't care about Canada and their taxes are too high!
  • metta

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    Jan 12, 2017 6:27 AM GMT
    I support a gradual increase to $15/ hr. Hardworking people should have at least enough money to eat, put clothes on their back, and have a roof over their head. And everyone should have basic healthcare.
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    Jan 12, 2017 7:01 AM GMT
    metta saidI support a gradual increase to $15/ hr. Hardworking people should have at least enough money to eat, put clothes on their back, and have a roof over their head. And everyone should have basic healthcare.


    Let's say someone is a self-employed don't get paid $15/hr and struggling to pay more money for housing and medical bill etc..
  • metta

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    Jan 12, 2017 7:15 AM GMT
    Sam27 said
    metta saidI support a gradual increase to $15/ hr. Hardworking people should have at least enough money to eat, put clothes on their back, and have a roof over their head. And everyone should have basic healthcare.


    Let's say someone is a self-employed don't get paid $15/hr and struggling to pay more money for housing and medical bill etc..


    Self employed people don't get normally get paid an hourly wage, unless they have a corporation and they set it up so that they pay themselves a wage. That works because a corporation is a separate entity. I'm self employed. I have both a sole proprietorship and a corporation.
  • metta

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    Jan 12, 2017 7:23 AM GMT
    ^
    Everyone pays! Aren't you in Australia? Australia has a national health care system....not as old as many other countries though.
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    Jan 12, 2017 7:27 AM GMT
    metta said
    Sam27 said
    metta saidI support a gradual increase to $15/ hr. Hardworking people should have at least enough money to eat, put clothes on their back, and have a roof over their head. And everyone should have basic healthcare.


    Let's say someone is a self-employed don't get paid $15/hr and struggling to pay more money for housing and medical bill etc..


    Self employed people don't get normally get paid an hourly wage, unless they have a corporation and they set it up so that they pay themselves a wage. That works because a corporation is a separate entity. I'm self employed. I have both a sole proprietorship and a corporation.


    You are safe because you work for the corporation business. If we increase our minimum wage, all foods prices, gas prices, house bill, electricity bill, house rental, space rental are going to be more expensive. Self-Employed can't handle that. I have a friend who couldn't afford to pay his space in the same shopping plaza where my restaurant is located and now he reconsidered closing his place. Sorry, I support small business all the way!
  • metta

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    Jan 12, 2017 7:45 AM GMT
    ^
    Small, Medium, Large businesses fail all of the time for a variety of reasons. You mentioned that other business was because of the rent. There is a good chance that is not the only reason. It is possible that increasing the minimum wage may hurt some businesses but overall, having the lower end of incomes have more money to spend should help increase spending overall. California has already passed the $15 minimum wage law. It is a gradual increase. I think it was increased to $10.50 on January 1st.

    January 1st, 2023: $15/hr minimum wage
    http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/FAQ_MinimumWage.htm
  • k15thelement

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    Jan 12, 2017 2:19 PM GMT
    Yes. I believe it's well deserved. Pay the people lol