lean bulk vs dirty bulk

  • mikeyb3

    Posts: 37

    Mar 03, 2017 4:11 AM GMT
    When bulking is it best to do a lean bulk and eat 200 calories over maintainence and slowly increase cals or put on muscle and fat in a dirty bulk then cut for a few months.
  • Destinharbor

    Posts: 4913

    Mar 03, 2017 5:57 PM GMT
    Bodybuilders all have their opinions and usually they're just telling you what worked for them. I think it depends on your metabolism and body type and age. If you slim down fast when you cut, "dirty" bulk will assure that your body has the building blocks it needs to gain muscle size. Your body needs protein to grow muscle, of course, but also fat to generate testosterone and carbs to give you energy. A dirty bulk would assure you that you have all that in abundance. But if your body is slow to shed fat, or the excess eating slows you down, a clean bulk can be more of a perpetual lifestyle eating habit. I've always been of the opinion that you eat to your desired weight maintenance level. If you get there and hold it, you've got your diet figured out forever and as you gain muscle, you must be reducing fat. I like having lots of measurements: weight scale, body fat percentage numbers, tape measure (or belt buckle progress), etc. If you look at what true competitive bodybuilders do, the cutting phase is pretty drastic and (I think) unhealthy. You also have to watch out for metabolism shift as you age. When I was your age (38?), I went from using the bathroom scale to ensure I'd not LOST weight to making sure I haven't gained weight. Happened overnight. Our DNA has hidden surprises so as a rule I advocate for healthy practices all the time. Lastly, from what i understand, excess protein is simply discarded by the body, not converted to fat. So you can bulk on excess lean protein while keeping fats and carbs in a healthy range, which is definitely above zero.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 04, 2017 1:00 AM GMT
    Clean or dirty bulk; that's always a good question.

    I'm still trying to figure out if I don't have what it takes to get BIG because I was fat, and don't want to be fat again, so I just completed my first bulk, a clean one, going at about 6' from 185 lbs to 200 lbs. That doesn't sound like a lot but while I'm going to look at lot different at 185 than the last time I was at that weight in my current profile picture wearing the Superman tank (same 32" waist but very noticeably bigger lats, traps, delts, quads and calves), I've been very uncomfortable during the bulk having my waist and butt balloon up. Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels, but I've yet to guess how lean big and JACKED feels to determine whether really fattening up with a dirtier bulk is worth it.
  • mikeyb3

    Posts: 37

    Mar 04, 2017 6:18 AM GMT

    I was fat too but i think i need to just stick with 300 over maintainence then monitor. Whats funny is I am the reverse of everybody my body got better . In my 20s i looked like the pillsbury doughboy . Kharma is a great thing .


    eagermuscle saidClean or dirty bulk; that's always a good question.

    I'm still trying to figure out if I don't have what it takes to get BIG because I was fat, and don't want to be fat again, so I just completed my first bulk, a clean one, going at about 6' from 185 lbs to 200 lbs. That doesn't sound like a lot but while I'm going to look at lot different at 185 than the last time I was at that weight in my current profile picture wearing the Superman tank (same 32" waist but very noticeably bigger lats, traps, delts, quads and calves), I've been very uncomfortable during the bulk having my waist and butt balloon up. Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels, but I've yet to guess how lean big and JACKED feels to determine whether really fattening up with a dirtier bulk is worth it.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 04, 2017 2:56 PM GMT
    The bulk/cut cycle is usually something serious bodybuilder embrace. Instead of bulking clean or dirty, set your fitness goals and always be working towards them.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 04, 2017 9:41 PM GMT
    Low carbs, low fat, high protein. Works great most of the time and then you start dreaming about mac n cheese and pie......
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 17, 2017 2:44 AM GMT
    My long term strategy has been to do a small bulk until this bulk becomes maintenance.

    I'm not really in favor of dirty bulks. One should be careful about adopting a juiced guy strategy when you're not chemically enhanced yourself.
  • mikeyb3

    Posts: 37

    Apr 14, 2017 4:40 AM GMT
    i think im a maintainence guy. Same weight lose fat and gain muscle same time . Bulk makes me fat . Cut makes me skinny fat