YES, I believe the Bible is a Scientific Book!

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    Feb 17, 2009 11:25 PM GMT
    In the thread under Darwin's birthday, I submitted a post, from which I like to raise an issue here - YES, I BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS A SCIENTIFIC BOOK!
    And I wish to submit a few examples, all of them from the book. "None of these Diseases" by Dr. S. I. McMillen, MD. Copyright: 1963, Fleming H. Revel Co.
    An article in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported an artricle written in 1946 by Drs. L. Emmett and Rustin McIntosh about the peculiar susceptibility for a newborn to bleeding between the 2nd and 5th days of his life...which can be extensive. The production of Vitamin K, responsible for blood clotting, takes place between the fifth to the seventh day, making the 8th the first safe day for circumcision. Also, the element Prothrombin, another blood clotting hormone, peaks at 110% availability on the 8th day after birth.
    Cervical Cancer is practically non-existant in Jewish and Arabic women. It has been shown that Circumstition in males actually prevents this dreadful disease.
    In Genesis 17, God tells Abraham that he, and all the men in his family, and every newborn male must be circumcised on the 8th day after birth.
    The Black Death swept across Europe during the 14th Century. Of this, Dr. George Rosen wrote this:
    "Leadership was taken by the church, as the physicians had nothing to offer. The church took for its guiding principle the concept of contagion as embodied in the Old Testament. This idea and its practical consequences are defined with great clarity in the Book of Leviticus. Once the condition of leprosy has been established, the patient was to be seperated and excluded from the community. Following the precepts laid down in Leviticus, the church undertook the task of combatting leprosy. It accomplished the first great feat in methodical eradication of disease."
    Leviticus 13: 43 says, "All the days wherin the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone: without the camp shall his habitation be."

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    Feb 17, 2009 11:26 PM GMT
    Continued
    Numbers 19 is about the contamination received after touching a dead body.
    Here the person who has touched it must bathe and wash and dry his clothes. Does not our modern surgeons wash their hands and change their clothes, which had been thouroughly washed, before undergoing an operation? The same chapter instructs a that a heifer be killed, and all its body burned to ashes, then the ashes poured into a tank of water. The mixture is then splashed within the tent, all the articles in the tent and on the person doing the work himself. I believe that this mixture is a primitive but effective form of detergent.
    "Flee fornication!" Paul cries. "For whoever commits fornication sins against his own body." 1 Corinthians 6:18.
    Here McMillen gives a data of the percentage of the rise of veneral disease, particularly syphilis, between the years 1956 and 1959, before the discovery of Pennicillin. These stats are nearly all of heteros, who preferred to sleep around than to follow God's guidebook on marriage. The rate of syphilis in these four year rose by 208% in Washington DC. In Los Angeles, 291%; Houston, 378%; San Francisco, 591%; and New Orleans, 818%.
    Yes, I believe the Bible is right up there in modern science.
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    Feb 18, 2009 12:23 AM GMT
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    • Genesis Ch 1 Verses 3 and 5,…
      ‘Light was created on the first day.’

      Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’.

      So where did the light come from?

    • Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day.

      How is night and day a separate phenomenon from the rotation of Earth on its axis? Without Earth there is no night and day for Earth.

    • Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day' And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day.

      Uhm... how did the plants survive without the Sun? Artificial greenhouse lights?

    • Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse. 16, as well as 17. Verse No.17 says…‘God created two lamps, the greater lamp, the Sun to rule the day, and the lesser lamp the Moon, to rule the night.; ‘And Almighty God placed them in the firmament, to give light to the earth… To give light to the earth.’

      The moon does not produce its own light.


    A more comprehensive list: http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Inconsistencies_in_the_Bible

    And then of course, there are the talking donkeys, the different genealogies of Jesus by Matthew and Luke. The way the Sun apparently stood still (like it revolved around Earth in the first place, the verse that put Galileo into trouble), or the four corners of the world (Flat Earth theory), the way ALL the species on Earth fit on an ark built by a single family, the way Ararat is supposed to be the tallest mountain. And the method breeding speckled cattle by making them have sex in front of a striped pole. Marvelous! I believe it entirely coincides with modern genetics don't you think?... not.

    Oh, and only 5-10% of the total human population is susceptible to Leprosy. The rest are immune. And the 'leprosy' described in the Bible (Tzaarath in original Hebrew) is not actually leprosy.

    Carry on.
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    Feb 18, 2009 1:41 AM GMT
    NotThatOld: Leviticus tells us that "man shall not lie with man as with a woman; it is an abomination" and is punishable by death.

    Your sexual sin renders you worthless and your sexuality is a direct affront to the Abrahamic God who is now raging mad (think what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah).

    Conclusion: Why don't you stay true to this "scientific text" and off yourself?

    This might be the first time in my life I'd actually embrace a biblical directive.

    God bless.
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    Feb 18, 2009 1:43 AM GMT
    MT,

    not that old isn't gay.
    just old.
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    Feb 18, 2009 1:53 AM GMT
    Job 37:10 - Ice is formed by the breath of God.

    icon_confused.gif Er, that don't sound so scientific to me.
  • Squarejaw

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    Feb 18, 2009 2:07 AM GMT
    Here we go again.

    "Science" is not a set of conclusions about the world. It is a method for coming to conclusions, for testing those conclusions, and for updating, altering, or discarding them as necessary.

    If the Bible contains information that can be verified by science (such, "Women give birth to children" and "People die"), that's still not enough to call it a scientific book. The difference lies in how that information was gathered, tested, and updated.
  • calibro

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    Feb 18, 2009 2:12 AM GMT
    To be fair, I think we all remember Joshua 10:12-14

    “Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; And thou, Moon, in the valley of Aijalon”

    And we all know how scientific geocentric views tend to hold up.
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    Feb 18, 2009 2:46 AM GMT
    I subscribe to the theory that...


    Even a busted clock is right twice a day
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    Feb 18, 2009 2:49 AM GMT
    Try Mormonism! And remember, it's much more fun on acid.

    LOL!
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    Feb 18, 2009 2:59 AM GMT
    This thread reminds me of an experience the philosopher of science (and other stuff), Prof. Mario Bunge of McGill, had when he delivered a lecture in the Middle East. Bunge's an avowed atheist, and a Muslim professor confronted him, claiming the Koran is the source of all knowledge. Bunge asked, "Even quantum mechanics?" The Muslim professor replied, "If it's read correctly."

    sigh.

    (I'm not endorsing Bunge, btw)
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    Feb 18, 2009 3:03 AM GMT
    I think any time you buy a Bible at a store, it should come with a free dictionary...

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    .. and I submit that Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is a scientific book as well. Because gravity exists in Harry's world, too.
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    Feb 18, 2009 3:05 AM GMT
    Satyricon331 said...the Koran is the source of all knowledge... If it's read correctly

    My ass is the source of all knowledge, if it's read correctly.

    Are we actually debating this moron's OP? Careful, or the joke will be on us, not him.
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    Feb 18, 2009 3:15 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Satyricon331 said...the Koran is the source of all knowledge... If it's read correctly

    My ass is the source of all knowledge, if it's read correctly.

    Are we actually debating this moron's OP? Careful, or the joke will be on us, not him.


    Oh please, please don't edit the quote that way... the chance that anyone might read that post first and even for a minute think I asserted those statements is so offensive BARF icon_cry.gif
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    Feb 18, 2009 3:17 AM GMT
    It is a scientific fact that if I beat someone repeatedly and with great violence in the head with a fully annotated pulpit version of The King James Bible with attached concordance his brains may surely leak out his eyes, ears, nose and mouth at some point.
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    Feb 18, 2009 3:20 AM GMT
    calibro saidTo be fair, I think we all remember Joshua 10:12-14

    “Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; And thou, Moon, in the valley of Aijalon”

    And we all know how scientific geocentric views tend to hold up.





    "Science" is a 20th century religion.




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    Feb 18, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
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    Feb 18, 2009 4:52 AM GMT
    You're free to believe any stupid thing you want, but that doesn't make it correct. Seditive said it best with the cartoon.
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    Feb 18, 2009 5:00 AM GMT
    Satyricon331 said
    Red_Vespa said
    Satyricon331 said...the Koran is the source of all knowledge... If it's read correctly

    My ass is the source of all knowledge, if it's read correctly.

    Are we actually debating this moron's OP? Careful, or the joke will be on us, not him.


    Oh please, please don't edit the quote that way... the chance that anyone might read that post first and even for a minute think I asserted those statements is so offensive BARF icon_cry.gif

    My apologies, you did not express that as being an opinion you hold yourself. I edited your post too severely, and unintentionally created that impression. icon_redface.gif
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    Feb 18, 2009 5:07 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidMy apologies, you did not express that as being an opinion you hold yourself. I edited your post too severely, and unintentionally created that impression. icon_redface.gif


    lol, it's ok, as long as everyone's clear on that icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 18, 2009 5:38 AM GMT
    NotThatOld, you are committing a basic logical fallacy here known as Proof by example. The general form of it is this:

    1. I know that x, which is a member of group X, has the property P.
    2. Therefore, all other elements of X have the property P.

    Using your argument as an example, this becomes:

    1. I know that some statements in the Bible are true.
    2. Therefore, ALL statements in the Bible are true.

    Or,

    1. I know that some statements in the Bible are scientifically valid.
    (which itself is debatable)
    2. Therefore, ALL statements in the Bible are scientifically valid.

    Either way, it's a fallacy.

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    Feb 18, 2009 5:43 AM GMT
    Alpha13> "Science" is a 20th century religion.

    As already stated:

    Squarejaw> "Science" is not a set of conclusions about the world. It is a method for coming to conclusions, for testing those conclusions, and for updating, altering, or discarding them as necessary.

    See also the cartoon posted by Sedative as the first response to this thread.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Feb 18, 2009 5:48 AM GMT
    Science: a systematic attempt to explain observed phenomena in terms of natural forces.

    The Bible: a collection of parables, history, tribal customs, and genealogical records of a seminomadic people inhabiting a portion of the Fertile Crescent several millennia ago.

    There's nothing wrong with reading the bible and finding meaning in it. But if you're going to make the preposterous claim that it's a book of science, rather than a book of philosophy/history/religion, you'll have to deal with statements like the sun stopping in its track for a day. Cherry picking individual ideas, like that the ban on pig was due to fear of trichinosis, doesn't give a realistic view of the whole.
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    Feb 18, 2009 6:11 AM GMT
    NotThatOld, much of the Torah was used for many centuries for guidance. Its usefulness is definitely demonstrable.

    I like many things that Jesus suggested: humility, service.

    However, as far as historical chronicling goes, I've found better. As far as explanations of natural occurrences goes, too much has been learned in the last 4000 years to bother with the bible's viewpoint. As far as moral guidance goes, my parents did a better job (killing and stealing are verboten and made the top ten, but rape did not?).

    I think you'll become a better, more productive person if you expand your reading.
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    Feb 18, 2009 6:32 AM GMT