Master Cleanse

  • jet228

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    Jan 12, 2007 10:20 PM GMT
    Has anyone tried this?

    It's basically fasting for 3 to 10 days and drinking nothing but a mixture of distilled water, maple syrup, lemon juice and cayenne pepper.

    I'ts supposed to have all the elements to support your body through the fast, and is also supposed to reset your digestive system, remove toxins from your system and aids in quick fat loss.

    When you start eating again, you're supposed to start slowly, with stuff like soup, yogurt and then move up to more complex foods.

    I really want to try it but am wondering if anyone has done it before?
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    Jan 12, 2007 11:30 PM GMT
    Yeah I have. You really have to commit. You do go through a lot of emotions, but it's so worth it. I lost 15 pounds for 7 days. But the minimum is suppose to be 10 days. Try it if you're up for the challenge.
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    Jan 13, 2007 12:03 AM GMT
    I did it as well for the full 10 days. If you can handle not eating, anything and all, and just drinking this mixture, do it. Make sure you ween yourself of coffee first, because it'll just about kill you if you don't. I lost 11 pounds in 10 days. During the fast I hadd loads of energy. I also know many people who have done it successfully.
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    Jan 13, 2007 12:25 AM GMT
    Can the laxitive teas they talk about with the diet be found in stores or is it neccesary to buy a kit?
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    Jan 13, 2007 12:25 AM GMT
    I've never done it myself (although I had a friend tell me he had the most... er... interesting things come out of his body when he did it...).

    That said, the Today Show did a piece on this a week or two ago and was totally against it. They had a doctor saying it was just water weight you lost, and that there were significant health risks because you were essentially starving yourself. However, in contrast they had people saying it had really worked for them, and particularly talked about the psychological benefits they got from it (some people do it for meditative / religious purposes). I have no idea who's right, just wanted to share what I heard. I'm sure they have the transcript somewhere at today.msnbc.com.
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    Jan 13, 2007 5:01 AM GMT
    That cayenne pepper mix has no PROTEIN in it...how can that possible be good for you?

    The obsession to lose weight does not equate to good health.

    A friend of mine has a bad coke habit. He has an awesome six pack. Never does crunches or any abs exercies.

    Hmmm.....healthy?
  • jet228

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    Jan 13, 2007 6:16 PM GMT
    Ah... so your tellin me if I want abs I should do coke =D

    Thanks for the input everyone. I might try it once just to see what happens.
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    Jan 14, 2007 2:24 AM GMT
    A cleanse that is a little less drastic but maybe more effective because of the fiber involved is the three-day apple diet. It is real simple. Eat all the organic apples you want for 3 days and on the night of the last day drink 4 oz. of olive oil. That is all there is to it. The apples should be of the "Delicious" or Johnathan variety. This cleansing diet originated from Edgar Cayce. This is not a weight loss diet.

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    Feb 15, 2007 9:20 PM GMT
    This sort of stuff is just plain craziness. Call it starvation, by any other name.

    I suggest you google on "feast or famine response". This is EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD NOT DO. It teaches your body how to become a fat storing machine.

    Diets like this are bad science, hard on you, and accomplish exactly the wrong things.

    You have to "fuel the furnace."
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    Apr 22, 2007 8:56 PM GMT
    I've had friends who tried this with good Health gains. They were able to cure some small digestive problems. And "feel super clean."

    Now to do this just for wieght loss. Its not gonna help. You loss the pounds during and shortly after the plan. My friends yeah lost 10 to 20 pounds, (amount of days in plan) that were back on a week later.

    I've still contemplated this "CLEANSE," However don't have the will power to give up actually eating.
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    Apr 22, 2007 9:11 PM GMT
    I've been hearing about this for years, and from personal experience, I can't imagine how I'd ever be able to go to the gym, or do any sort of physical activity during a cleanse if I wasn't eating a solid 3 meals a day. Sometimes I get migranes if I skip just one meal, so I think I'd be drooling and delirious by day 10 of this fast.

    It seems problematic to me that the issue for most people choosing this cleanse is weight loss. This is not a holistic approach for healthy living! My holisitic approach for healthy living is a diet rich in vegetables and tofu, nuts, beans oils and chocolate, and this has worked for me for several years. Definitely keeps my 6pak in place.

    If you go any length of time eating only lemonade, maple syrup and cayanne--OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE WEIGHT. DUH. Too bad it is completely at odds with the science that supports the human body. We function with food, and when you start eating again, you gain weight. DUH.

    These cleanses smack of the sin/redemption obsession which runs rampant in our society, and the concept of this cleanse is nothing I can wrap my head around.
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    Apr 22, 2007 9:20 PM GMT
    Well said, TOFUSTUD. Whether it's this odd diet, the South Beach Diet, the thing that they all have in common is caloric reduction, that basically is the reason for the weight loss. Sure, no question that percentage of fats, carbs, protein etc. is important in modulating fat storage...but the basic truth is calories in - calories out = net weight change.

    Many of these diets appeal to people because they appear "different". But the thing they have in common is calorie reduction.

    I'd call this diet the "prisoner of war" diet. It will work, and no doubt those strange ingredients will get your digestive system to "purge."

    And who ever posted that this diet (and many others) has the extra added advantage of giving the dieter the sensation of "being" punished (as in, I feel weird, this must be doing me good).

    I think anyone attempting this diet should talk to a degreed nutritionist first....
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    Apr 24, 2007 10:48 AM GMT
    There needs to be balance and what you are talking about is the all or nothing syndrome. Eat healthy and don't expect a quick fix. Exercise, eating a balanced combination of healthy foods, quality rest over a period of time is the key.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Apr 25, 2007 8:30 AM GMT
    agreed with what RK said -Also if you starve your cells the first chance they get carbs and sugar again- you will probably gain back a few pounds. I asked a gastro MD about this, he was rated in top docs in New York Magazine for '05 '06, he is totally against this practice- Get a nutritionist's help and get on a good cardio program- As with all physical activity make sure your Dr. says you are ok to excercise. A good friend of mine lost 126 pounds in 2 yrs no diets just cardio 20 mins a day then up to 30 a day 5-6 days a week. He watched what he ate but no fad diet. It was more about smaller meals 6 times a day-(portion control) this is 4 yrs. later he kept it off. Good Luck- b well. Mike
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    May 14, 2007 2:39 AM GMT
    What exactly is the regimin for this cleansing? What's the ratio of all of the ingredients for the daily "meals"?
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    May 18, 2007 5:54 AM GMT
    i for one did this clensing and had amazing results basically yes the initial 10 days you go is pratically starvatin and isnt very healthy for you but yes it cleans out your systems and resets your stomach as if you were starting the eating process all over again it entierly removes your craving of foods. After teh initial 10 days you wanna start eating light and simple foods but not as much as you did before the initial detox as its called.

    The fact that you are eating less and more simple foods continues your weight loss as you add your essentials back to your life style the only diffrence is your body dosnt crave these foods anymore so your less likely to eat more than you need to.

    After about 4 to 6 weeks eating light and simple foods you can add all but the sweets back to your eating plans this makes it so the amount of sugars you eat are still at a low level so while you return to normal eating you dont gain as much fat as normal. This process usually lasts for another 4 to 6 weeks.

    At this time the craving for sweets pretty much dosnt exist anymore as long as you havent cheated also by this time you should have lost a good amount of weight depending on how much you weighed before the inital start.

    As you go thru this process you also wanna do alot of exersize cardio is best durring the initial first two steps once you get back eating just about everything but sweets you should start weight lifting for at that stage you should have lost enough weight to start to see some extra skin as a normal person would. Strenght training as you continue to diet helps so you dont develop as much extra skin as you usually do.

    When i started this process i weighed in at 250 pounds. In the end i lost almost 100 pounds than i gained some back and did more strengh exersize to get rid of the extra skin that had formed and it didnt take a pretty year to be where i am now the initial weight loss should take you on average 1.5 to 2 years just keep your eating habits light and remmember as long as you stay commited you will lose the weight.
  • atxclimber

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    May 18, 2007 6:07 AM GMT
    It's always seemed to me that cleanses go along with this human urge for catharsis and peak experience. Like how I really like picking scabs, even though it's not good for the wound healing, because it feels cathartic.

    Every reputable nutritionist I have ever heard talk about cleanses point out that the body is really very efficient and doesn't "store toxins" in the way some cleanse advocates say it does. It's not like you just have stores of silt and tar laced through your body that you need to wring out. That powerful "cleansing" sensation you get when you do a cleanse, they observe, is just your body freaking out and reacting to you wildly changing its diet. Your stomach optimizes its enzymes for the foods you eat (which is why some people can actually become lactose intolerant by giving up dairy entirely for a period of time.) So when you switch from eating a normal diet to, say, nothing but apple juice and olive oil for 10 days straight, what you're feeling is your body recalibrating and trying to optimize for digesting that instead of what it used to.

    Resetting your hunger urges is probably a result of eating only foods with a very low glycemic index, but you can do that without also starving yourself. Just stop eating white, refined grains, simple sugars, and pulp-free fruit juices and the like, and stick to whole grains, dark fruits & veggies, and avoid sweets. My friend stopped eating refined grains and simple sugars entirely several years ago and reports that he just never feels hungry anymore. Kind of surreal.
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    May 18, 2007 6:28 AM GMT
    AGREE!!!!

    Your body NEEDS a lot of the microbes and bateria culture to stay healthy. Without them bad ones will proliferate like C-Diff, which we see all the time with older and frail patients or people who were on anti-botics too long...

    Furthermore, I am not so sure about dehydrating yourself in such a manner. Any abnormal bowel movement, too frequent or delayed, is not healthy..

    Why disturb your GI track and as ATX pointed out, freak it out like that?
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    May 18, 2007 6:33 AM GMT
    I can understand how the fasting / cleansing diet that you have presented may very well work.

    A diet that I am personally familiar is one developed by the Max Plack Institute in Germany, and it is intended as a cleansing diet, as a fast. You do the following for three to five days:

    - Drink all of the pure water you want on a daily basis.

    - Drink all of the mint tea that you want on a daily basis, but do not use the type of mint tea that has any type of caffeine or some other stimulant.

    - Daily, drink one (1) quart of natural apple juice OR grape juice, but mixed together (diluted) with the equal amount of clean, pure water. (Do NOT take both apple and grape juice, unless your total daily consumption is 1 quart, but only when diluted with the equal amount of water. The apple or grape juice should contain only natural sugars, but no added sugars. What you do with the apple or grape juice is to sip on it throughout the day to maintain blood sugar stability. If you do not give in to the urges to eat when following this diet, by the middle of the third day, you will notice that your mind seems to become very sharp, and you seem to stop worrying so much. Why don't you try this sometime to see what yoou think. Please let me know if you should have any questions. Best of success, happiness and good health to you!

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    May 18, 2007 6:41 AM GMT
    Read more of the posts on this thread..

    This is so crazy... Geesh!

    Let's see if the results of starvation is not short lived...

    I really think people should read up more about nutriition, energy metabolism, and how the GI track works...

    What does "feeling clean" mean...? When you take a shower, you feel clean because the excessive oils on your skin enbedded with dirt and dead skin are rinshed away, your light touch receptors on your skin detects decreased stickiness, your chemo receptors detect less odor, your blood vessels are dialated, muscel relaxed, etc..

    How does one's GI track and whole body sytem "feel clean"? What receptors are you talking about???
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    May 18, 2007 6:43 AM GMT
    That is just a bunch of instructions with no logial and sound science rationale behind it..

    Give me a biochemical pathway how this all works... PLEASE..

    If you cannot, then it is just some wild theory with no prove, not EVEn a sound explaination!
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    May 18, 2007 6:49 AM GMT
    That is such bull!

    Sipping simple sugar source all day while being starved just messes with your body's own system of balance and check of blood glucose level: the insulin and glucagon dynamics are going to be all off!

    You can only feel "sharp" if the glycose supply to the brain is at an optimal level: too high or too low, youwill be confused and even pass out! Why do you think people with problems in this area such as diabetics check their glucos level all day...?

    Wosr yet, insulin is also an anabolic protein hormone, and glugagon a catabolic one.. Too much too long of either one unbalanced can make you very SICK and even deadly!

    Where is the science behind this? This is pure vodoo and Bull!

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    May 18, 2007 6:57 AM GMT
    Another bull: Suger is sugar...

    Natrual sugar, fructose, lactose, glycogen, or whatever, when broken donw by the body, the sole sugar form supplying directly to tissues is glucose..

    For example, brown sugar is just white suger added with molasses. The amount of minerals in brown sugar is totally insignificant when compared to white sugar. If you eat enough brwon suger to make the mineral intake significant, you would have been dead...

    Something natural or heabal is always better than processed or synthetic. NOT TRUE. The most powerful poisons and toxins are natrual...

    Such BS so ignorant of basic science and nutrition... I am just shocked..
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    May 18, 2007 7:15 AM GMT
    if you dont think what i did works look at my body remmember i used to weigh 250 pounds
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    May 18, 2007 7:26 AM GMT
    How can you be sure your result is a direct cause and effect relationship with the diet...?

    How do you know ti was not a coorelation relationship with many co-founding variable such as possible differnt eating habbit AFTER the starvation? Possible exercise routine AFTEr the starvationh?

    Just becasue you lost the weight does not mean you can directly contribute the result to the starvation cleansing diet..

    It is not scientific or even reliable.