Two Attestations That Jesus Was NOT Crucified Alive by Rome / Source of the Gospel of Mark [Bio of Julius Caesar and the Homeric Epics]

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    Two Attestations That Jesus Was NOT Crucified Alive by Rome / Q Source of the Gospel of Mark [Bio of Julius Caesar and the Homeric Epics]

    Introduction - Version From Biographies of Julius Caesar


    Due to a lack of ships, Julius Caesar [Jesus Christ] was only able to transport approximately half of his troops across the sea.
    He sent the ships back to Brundisium (modern Brindisi) and commanded Antonius [Peter] to follow with the rest of the troops and their equipment.
    Antonius [Peter] hesitated
    because of the weather and the cruising enemy fleet of Pompey the Great [John the Baptist].
    [Octavian who would become Augustus Caesar is the Beloved Disciple.]

    Desperate, Julius Caesar [Jesus Christ] slipped, alone and incognito, onto a small boat during the night to help bring his men across.

    Using the current of the river which flowed into the sea to his advantage,
    he wanted to glide across the water, the breakers [heavy sea waves that break into white foam on the shore].

    However, when, in the night, the off-shore wind dropped and a strong breeze arose from the sea, the current collided with the sea surge and forced the boat back.
    The helmsman despaired, and at that moment Caesar [Christ] revealed himself and said:
    "Do not fear, you sail Caesar [Christ] in your boat..."

    Introduction - Version from the Gospel of Mark

    Jesus [Julius] constrained his disciples to get into the ship and to go to the other side before him
    unto Bethsaida while he stayed to send away the people who had come to hear him speak.
    And when Jesus had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray.
    And when evening had come, the ship was in the middle of the sea.
    Jesus was alone on land and saw them toiling in rowing.

    [Had the off-shore wind dropped and a strong breeze arisen from the sea?]
    Jesus saw them toiling in rowing for the wind was contrary unto them.

    About the fourth watch of the night, Jesus came to them.
    When they saw him walking upon the sea [that is the Homeric Epic of the Gospel of Mark's Q Source part with Hermes floating over the waters],
    they supposed it had been a spirit.

    Jesus: Be of good cheer, it is I. Be not afraid.
    Peter, you're the helmsman, come on out here.

    Peter [Antonius] I need some help, I can't get all of these soldiers across by myself.
    Jesus [Julius] helps him.

    = = =

    Jesus supposedly crossed Lake Gennesaret but Mark and Matthew do not speak of a lake but a sea:
    when Jesus calms the storm, "He speaks to the sea: Be still!"
    He speaks to the sea by use of the word "thalassa."
    The correct word should have been limne. Luke's gospel uses the word limne.

    Mark and Matthew use the word thalassa because of their closeness to the Q Source which is partly biographies of Julius Caesar.
    Caesar did cross a sea, the Ionian sea.
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    May 14, 2017 5:12 PM GMT
    The First Attestation That Jesus Was NOT Crucified Alive by Rome - The Babylonian Talmud

    The Mishna systematically sets out to clarify the procedure of hanging, a postmortem punishment.
    For sorcery and idolotry, Jesus was killed and hung by Jewish authorities.

    Jesus was someone who really practiced magic and did not just entertain people with optical deceptions.

    The Talmud states that a herald announced the execution 40 days before it was to take place.
    In the gospels Jesus told his disciples he would be killed.

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    May 17, 2017 10:56 PM GMT
    Either as a response to the gospels or referencing facts in Jewish history, the Babylonian Talmud convicts Jesus, sentences his Earthly life, executes him, and sentences his afterlife. For further details, see the book Jesus in the Talmud by Peter Schafer, published by Princeton University Press.

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    May 17, 2017 11:37 PM GMT
    Antonius or Mark Antony is the biblical Peter.

    We discussed the Mark Antony/Peter episode of Jesus Christ and Julius Caesar helping men with wind problems when crossing water by boat.

    Peter: Jesus, you are Christ
    Jesus: On you my church will be built.

    Mark Antony: Julius Caesar, you are Parenti Optime Merito: Parens, Optimus, Meritus : [in Ancient Greek] Ktistes, Aristos, Chrestos.
    [Upon these words, the Cult of Julius Caesar was built.

    EXPLANATION:

    I should be observed that linguistically, parens, "parent" or "father" and creator in the sense of "founder" especially a "founder of cities" is called ktistes by the Greeks while optimus is usually rendered aristos. Meritus, "meritorious" and bonus from which we get good, better, best yields optimus, the best, translated by the Greek word chrestos, a word whose classical pronunciation was already becoming replaced by the late Hellenistic christos.

    The base of Julius Caesar's statue had the words Parenti Optime Merito.
    Greeks would have translated that into their language as Ktistes, Aristos, Christos.

    This would not surprise anyone. Greeks were accustomed to addressing their deceased on epitaphs with the word chreste, "good." For Julius Caesar [Jesus Christ}, the word fit perfectly because he was good, proven by his much acclaimed clemency.
    Julius Caesar was even called good, Chrestos, "Christ" by Pompey the Great, his rival in the civil war.

    But Christ means anointed.

    Nobody would have gained anything by a possible confusion of chrestos-meritorious with christos-annointed; nor would they have taken offense because both priests and kings were anointed. Julius Caesar was a priest and by reputation, a king.

    Christos looks like an abbreviation of Pontifex Maximus which Julius Caesar was (while Jesus was a priest on the order of Melchizedek).
    What is Pontifex Maximus in Ancient Greek?
    Answer: archiereus megistos

    Abbreviation/Contraction in Capitol Letters of Pontifex Maximus which Julius Caesar was:

    arCHieReus megISTOS = CHRISTSOS

    = = =

    The gospels are an abridged Hebrew telling of the life Julius Caesar, Christ.

    One stab wound hastened Julius Caesar's death.
    One stab wound hastened Jesus' death.


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    May 22, 2017 11:54 PM GMT
    R. Wheeler
    There is really nothing similar between Julius Caesar and Jesus Christ.
     
    Steefen
    1. Priestly Authority
    2. Went out on the water and reassured men they could cross
    3. Forgiveness and Mercy towards Enemies
    4. Taking Care of the Poor
    5. Enduring Persecutions
    6. Beheaded Mentor
    7. Betrayal by Friend/Friends
    8. Awareness of Impending Death
    9. Does Not Put Up a Fight against the Plot to Take His Life
    10. Desires No Delay When the End Comes
    11. Pierced/stabbed by Longinus
    12. Wreath placed on each of their heads
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    May 23, 2017 12:15 AM GMT
    R. Wheeler

    Yehoshua was a priest in the order of Meleck Tzedek  מַלְכִּי-צֶדֶק      aka the king (meleck) of righteousness (tzedeck) this priesthood is not based on the physical body as is the Levitical priesthood, it is based on the "spiritual" being which has no beginning of days or ending of days, and has no mother or father. Gen 14 accounts for a being known as Meleck Tzedeck, this is not Yehoshua it is a shadow picture, in other words it was a physical individual that represented an archtype and if understood correctly the shadow picture (which was not the real thing) would bring understanding so that when the real thing was witnessed it would be understood for what it is.

    In some traditions the gen 14 Meleck was Shem son of Noach, who lived 500 years after the flood, which if each generation had children at 20 years old, Shem could have out lived his children to 22 generations. At the gen 14 incident its about 350 years after the flood and everyone there had probably long forgot where this guy came from, they only knew he had always been, and seemed that he would always be, and since shem came from Noach who was perfect in all his generation, it would seem that shem took after the family traditions and was considered righteous.

    Steefen
    What is your point?
    Is your position that Hebrews 5: 8-10 should not have referred to Jesus Christ?

    The Perfect High Priest
    …8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered,

    9and having been made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him

    10and was designated by God as high priest in the order of Melchizedek.…
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    May 25, 2017 2:20 AM GMT
    The flagellation and assassinated King Jesus may be this:

    Antigonus II Mattathias (Hebrew: מתתיהו אנטיגונוס השני‎‎, Matityahu), also known as Antigonus the Hasmonean (died 37 BCE) was the last Hasmonean king of Judea. He was the son of King Aristobulus II of Judea. In 37 BCE Herod handed him over to the Romans for execution [after flagellation], after Antigonus's three-year reign during which he led the Jews' fierce struggle for independence against the Romans.
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    May 26, 2017 3:19 AM GMT
    Oh, it is worse than I imagined.

    English: A Lame Person
    Latin: Claudo Vicinus

    Julius Caesar "Heals Clodios"
    Jesus Heals the Lame

    Healing the Lame/Clodios

    In order to maintain the parallels between the life of Julius Caesar and the Gospels, proper names turn into generic names. One Claudius stands out: Publius Clodius Pulcher.

    Julius Caesar's Biography
    There was a house, Julius Caesar's house.
    Clodius entered the house but not through the front door.
    He entered with the help of servants.
    He wanted to commit the sin of making his lay with Julius Caesar's wife.
    Julius Caesar told him to take what you did laying a bed in my house and walk free.
    Julius Caesar forgave the man which also cleared Julius Caesar's wife, but he divorced her also.
    Accusers were horrified at the forgiveness.

    The Gospel of Mark
    There was a house.
    A man entered the house but not through the front door.
    He entered the house by the help of servants lowering him through the roof.
    The lame man, on his mat, lay on the floor--on his mat of a bed.
    Jesus said your sin is forgiven. Arise, and take your mat and walk.
    Scribes were horrified at the forgiveness.

    Source: Jesus Was Caesar by Francesco Carotta, pages 185-192

    Note my first draft of an amazon reader review of this book.

    4 out of 5 stars
    Search YouTube for the close to two hour documentary film, The Gospel of Caesar. It was posted by God Spanker.
    Because I watched this video, I bought this book.

    So far, I am giving this book four out of five stars.

    Problem #1 Sometimes the arguments are not constructed as tightly as needed.
    The majority of critical arguments are constructed tightly.

    Problem #2 The book needs an index.

    Draft: 5/24/2017 (Wed.)
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    about Antigonus II

    Josephus states that Marc Antony beheaded Antigonus (Antiquities, XV 1:2 (8–9). Roman historian Dio Cassius says he was crucified and records in his Roman History: "These people [the Jews] Antony entrusted to a certain Herod to govern; but Antigonus he bound to a cross and scourged, a punishment no other king had suffered at the hands of the Romans, and so slew him."[4] In his Life of Antony, Plutarch claims that Antony had Antigonus beheaded, "the first example of that punishment being inflicted on a king."[5]

    - Wikipedia
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    May 28, 2017 2:34 AM GMT
    Q Source is NOT the source for the Gospel of Mark.

    Q Source is the source for the Gospels of Matthew and Luke. The same material in Matthew and Luke, not in Mark.

    The title of the thread should be ... Source for the Gospel of Mark [Bio of Julius Caesar and the Homeric Epics]...
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    May 30, 2017 7:38 PM GMT
    The Second Attestation That Jesus Was Not Crucified Alive

    Gospel of John
    And Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross
    Jesus of Nazareth, The King of the Jews

    Gospel of Matthew
    And set up over his head
    This is Jesus King of the Jews

    Gospels of Luke and Mark
    written in Greek, Latin, and Hebrew
    King of the Jews

    Mark, then Luke: King of the Jews Jesus King of the Jews
    Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews

    Basileus did not always mean king, in Greek, it could frequently indicate the Latin imperator as basileia could indicate imperium

    The crucifix held up at Julius Caesar's funeral was a tropaeum.

    That is the Gospel of Mark leaving in the original reference to Julius Caesar.

    = = =

    Gospel of Mark

    They crucified him
    parted his garments
    and cast lots

    QUESTION: What garments, plural
    The biblical Jesus only had "The Robe" singular

    Julius Caesar had garments, plural, put on his funeral pyre before it was set on fire.

    That is the Gospel of Mark leaving in the original reference to Julius Caesar.

    "If we look at the verb stauro, stauro does not mean crucify but to put up posts or slats or a palisade: fence in.

    Christians turned stauro into a torture post to get cross and crucifixion.

    Christians also mistranslated kleros to be "cast lots".
    To first century Greek speaking people, kleros originally meant heirloom.

    The Christian meaning of stauro and kleros reads:

    And when they crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon the garments.

    But a Greek of the first century would not have understood the Greek of that English sentence in the Bible.

    The original Greek understood by Greeks of the first century would have understood the original reference to Julius Caesar:

    and when they were putting up posts or stakes to fence off [Caesar's body and the stuff under his body].

    Three historians attest:

    Appianus:

    There they collected together pieces of wood and benches and anything they could find for a funeral pyre, throwing upon it adornments of the procession [heirlooms; allotment], some of which were very costly. Some cast their own wreaths upon it and many military awards.

    So casting lots for Jesus garment is the Gospel of Mark leaving in the original reference to Julius Caesar. It is not Roman soldiers betting for Jesus' robe because it has supernatural powers.

    Plutarchus:

    and they hauled benches, barriers, and tables from the place and helped them around the corpse

    [an already dead Julius Caesar, an already dead Jesus Christ]

    Suetonius:

    and immediately the throng of bystanders heaped on it dry branches and the judges' chairs and the court benches and whatever else came to hand and could serve as an offering. Then the flute players and actors pulled off their robes ... and flung them into the [stauro] fenced off area which was burning.
    Likewise, the veterans of Julius Caesar's legions through valuable arms into the fenced in area where Caesar's body was burning.

    Matrons offered up jewels and their children's purple fringed tunics.

    It is easy to detect that the passage from Mark is an abridgment of Caesar's funeral.

    Jesus was not crucified alive, we are reading the cremation of an already dead Julius Caesar.

    Appianus:

    Before Caesar was cremated, the people bore him to the Capitol

    The Roman derived Capitolium from caput.
    An Etruscan king, Olus (Aulus Vulcentanus) was killed and buried there and that the Capitoline temple and hill received its name after his skull was later found there.

    Gospel of Mark

    They bore Jesus to Golgotha, the place of a skull.

    = = =

    In both the Caesar and the Jesus accounts, the Greek word phero (pherousin) is used which means to bear or to carry.

    Both Julius Caesar and Jesus Christ are born/carried to a place of the skull.
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    Jun 02, 2017 2:05 AM GMT
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    “Jesus was not crucified alive”. What does that mean? Is there a meaning difference between “… not crucified” and “… not crucified alive”? There seems to be, why else would you put the “alive” word in there? Though I cannot figure out what the difference is.

    Steefen

    The origin and significance of Easter Week is quite different with Jesus not dying on the cross
    vs Jesus dying on the cross.

    What say you?

    mreichert
    “Jesus was not crucified alive”. What does that mean?

    Steefen

    Earlier Post

    The First Attestation That Jesus Was NOT Crucified Alive by Rome – The Babylonian Talmud

    The Mishna systematically sets out to clarify the procedure of hanging, a postmortem punishment.
    For sorcery and idolotry, Jesus was killed and hung by Jewish authorities.

    Given crosses on and in Christian churches are ubiquitous, the origin and significance of how Jesus died is quite different 1) if Jesus was stoned to death and then for further punishment, after death, was hung; 2) if Jesus’s manner of death is not a historical fact but a theological fact with a) Jewish King Antigonus being flagellated and not Jesus being the historical fact, b) Julius Caesar being stabbed by Longinus and not Jesus stabbed by Longinus being the historical fact, and c) an effigy of Julius Caesar held high on a cross at his funeral to show his cause of death and not Jesus dead on a cross by flagellation, crucifixion, and stabbing by Longinus being the historical fact.

    It is important to know morals of historical fiction, theological truths of historical fiction, but also historical facts.
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    Jun 03, 2017 4:54 AM GMT
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    The only evidence we have, apparently independent testimonials, is that Jesus was crucified alive.

    Steefen
    Four gospels, historical fictions, do not constitute evidence.
    Four gospels which systematically use the biographies of Julius Caesar, Vespasian, and Titus do not constitute evidence.
    Four gospels which systematically use content from the Homeric epics do not constitute evidence.

    Julius Caesar was responsible for Rome having a new form of government, with the first ruler/emperor, a Son of God, Octavius.
    "Son of God" Jesus Christ proclaimed a new form of government.
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    Jun 04, 2017 1:52 AM GMT
    mreichert
    I know almost nothing about the Babylonian Talmud, so I looked it up. I found one quote …

    Steefen
    A college library poster says know the difference in quality between an internet search and research.

    mreichert
    You on the other hand seem to think that the Talmud is the only accurate portrayal of Jesus … Am I correct?

    Steefen
    I will correct you.

    The character of Jesus has a detailed treatment in the Babylonian Talmud. Great fiction also has characters with detailed treatment. The content of of the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud is not categorically recognized as unreliable, so it is highly questionable or an exception that the generous Jesus content would be devoid of historicity. The rabbis of the first century who appear in the Babylonian Talmud would have been aware of the Biblical Jesus to the extent there is historical accuracy in the Pauline letters, the gospels attributed to Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John, and Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus.

    There are mundane topics covered in the Talmud. Jesus is more than mundane. Second, the Biblical Jesus fretted over how well he was being appreciated. Then he had to accept rejection that led to the end of his ministry and his execution.

    The historical fictions that the gospels are have to be mined, the Babylonian Talmud has to be mined, the Works of Josephus have to be mined, other sources have to be mined.

    mreichert
    Gross similarities between Julius Caesar and Jesus Christ do not discredit the gospels …

    Steefen
    God’s word, God’s son, and a member of a Trinity needs to have integrity. The biblical Jesus presents himself as a Jewish purist, especially given the Gospel attributed to Matthew. Similarities with a Jupiter,and Mars worshiper with a Venus association that Julius Caesar was certainly does discredit the gospels and denies credit to first theological sources.

    How many similarities are too many for you?

    There are gross similarities, detailed similarities, and 100% matches between Jesus Christ and his precedent Julius Caesar.

    Second, Julius Caesar was a Savior for the Jewish people, politically and financially, so much so that a Roman historian noted their prominent mourning at his funeral.

    mreichert
    I gather that you think the gospels are historical fiction.

    Steefen
    Bart Ehrman has communicated much about what is not historically accurate in the gospels.

    mreichert
    I personally think that the gospels are typical of many biographies, containing some historically accurate information along with lots of embellishments and plain old made-up stories.

    Steefen
    The gospels are not historically accurate biographies. Historical fiction is not biography.
    The biography of Julius Caesar written by Suetonius is not the “typical” historical fiction passing as biography of Jesus for you.
    You are in error.

    mreichert
    There is too much that rings true (to me) to pass them off as fiction.

    Steefen
    What rings true and what is held valuable for someone in the first century saving Jewish culture at Qumran is of tantamount importance. Tell us how your stance is corroborated there. The Essenes did not know Jesus by name? The Essenes did not know the events of his ministry and execution? The Essenes did not know from 33-67, Jesus followers were trying to keep his memory alive?
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    Jun 05, 2017 11:27 AM GMT
    Source of the Gospel of Mark: The Biography of Julius Caesar Follow-Up: Jesus Christ/Julius Caesar Saves the Woman Caught in Adultery

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    English: A Lame Person
    Latin: Claudo Vicinus

    Julius Caesar “Heals Clodios”
    Jesus Heals the Lame

    Healing the Lame/Clodios
    In order to maintain the parallels between the life of Julius Caesar and the Gospels, proper names turn into generic names. One Claudius stands out: Publius Clodius Pulcher.

    Julius Caesar’s Biography
    There was a house, Julius Caesar’s house.
    Clodius entered the house but not through the front door.
    He entered with the help of servants.
    He wanted to commit the sin of making his lay with Julius Caesar’s wife.
    Julius Caesar told him to take what you did laying a bed in my house and walk free.
    Julius Caesar forgave the man which also cleared Julius Caesar’s wife, but he divorced her also.
    Accusers were horrified at the forgiveness.

    The Gospel of Mark
    There was a house.
    A man entered the house but not through the front door.
    He entered the house by the help of servants lowering him through the roof.
    The lame man, on his mat, lay on the floor–on his mat of a bed.
    Jesus said your sin is forgiven. Arise, and take your mat and walk.
    Scribes were horrified at the forgiveness.

    FOLLOW-UP
    Julius Caesar forgives the woman (his wife) caught in adultery (or the appearance of adultery).
    Jesus Christ forgives the woman caught in adultery.

    This is why the Woman caught in adultery can be added later into the New Testament: because the biography of Julius Caesar is the standard.

    Let’s look again at Bart Ehrman’s post:
    https://ehrmanblog.org/the-woman-taken-in-adultery-in-the-king-james-version/
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    Jun 07, 2017 3:55 PM GMT
    Julius Caesar Takes Value from Saturn's Temple
    Jesus Christ Also Takes Something of Value from Saturn:
    Jesus Takes Value from Saturn's Day, Saturday, the Sabbath


    The New Testament

    Question:
    Why do the disciples of John fast on the Sabbath and you and your disciples do not?
    Four Answers:
    1) Let the family fast when the groom is away.
    2) Don't put new wine in old containers.
    3) King David and his military ate the bread (showbread) of the Temple.
    (shewbread: twelve loaves placed every Sabbath in the Jewish Temple and eaten by the priests at the end of the week)
    4) Jesus went into the synagogue.
    There was a man with a withered hand.
    Did Jesus correct his problem? Yes.
    The priests would use the man with the withered hand to accuse Jesus of healing on the Sabbath.
    Jesus looked around in anger
    Jesus: Is it lawful to do good or to do evil, to save a life or destroy a life?
    See the Gospel according to Mark 3: 1-5.

    The Biography of Julius Caesar

    Question:
    Why did Pompey the Great and his military not take money from the treasury in Saturn's Temple?
    Answer:
    There is a connection between the Sabbath, Saturday, and Saturn:
    Saturday is Saturn's day.
     
    Julius Caesar went into the Treasury in Saturn's Temple.
    He was hungry for funds.
    Pompey the Great did not take the funds because he had to get away from Julius Caesar.
    The Latin word Mutilus means maimed or defective.
    The man with the withered hand can be linked to the Latin word Mutilus.
    Metellus had a problem with Julius Caesar taking funds from the Treasury in Saturn's Temple.
    Julius Caesar got angry with him and corrected his problem via a threat. Then Metellus left.
    Julius Caesar to Metellus: I could do good and not kill you or I can do evil and kill you.
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    Jun 07, 2017 4:14 PM GMT
    With too much of the biblical biography of Jesus coming from Julius Caesar, Augustus, Vespasian, Titus, Domitian, King Izates of the Manu line of royalty (Em-Manu-El), the Homeric epics, and the man during the Jewish Revolt whom Josephus took down from a crucifixion and lived, there will not be a substantial quality to an actual historical Jesus independent of the former to be crucified.
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    Jun 07, 2017 7:38 PM GMT
    On the right is a tropaeum, not a crucifixion.

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    Source: NGC Ancients: Julius Caesar and His Coinage
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    Jun 07, 2017 7:47 PM GMT
    Jesus Shouldering His Cross Is Romulus Shouldering His Tropaeum.

    Plutarch has given us a description of the very impressive triumph of Romulus.

    After the rape of the Sabine women, Romulus won a first victory against the King Acro of Caenina. Romulus smote Acro in duel combat and had to fulfill a vow that if he won, he would himself carry the armor and weapons of his enemy to Jupiter and dedicate them to him.

    "Romulus thought about how to best fulfill the oath to Jupiter and at the same time offer the citizens a pleasing drama.

    He had a mighty oak tree felled and formed into a cross that would become the tropaeum. The whole suit of armor of King Acro was mounted on the cross. Romulus put a wreath on his head. Under the wreath, his long hair flowed.

    He heaved the tropaeum onto his right shoulder and sang a song of victory. His soldiers followed him and joined in the singing. Then the citizens welcomed them with joy and wonder. This procession was the model for later triumphs. The cross was dedicated to Jupiter.

    It was an act of strength to carry the cross.

    The Cross of Victory, Victory in Jesus, Victory in Romulus

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    Jun 09, 2017 12:16 AM GMT
    Divine Julius Caesar was not a secondary god, but was made equivalent to the highest God, Jupiter and became the God/GAWD of the whole Roman Empire, even over Jerusalem which was part of the Roman Empire.

    Julius Caesar, God, was hand in hand with Grace and Leniency Personified: Clementia.

    Jews knew this and still mourned him greatly at his funeral which took away their attention from Passover.

    Jesus Christ brings Julius Caesar: Romulus: Rome closer to a post- Civil War, post-Jewish Revolt people.
    The very theology of Jesus Christ as God is Julius Caesar as God.
    This is Jewish tradition, standing apart but still within the Roman Empire.
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    Jun 09, 2017 12:24 AM GMT
    Julius Caesar: No, I'm not a king in this world.
    Jesus Christ to Pilate: No, I'm not a king in this world.
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    Jun 09, 2017 10:55 AM GMT
    The third attestation that the gospels are not just telling us an accurate account of the crucifixion of Jesus:

    Part I

    Julius Caesar: No, I'm not a king in this world.
    Jesus Christ to Pilate: No, I'm not a king in this world.

    Part II

    Appianus:

    Before Caesar was cremated, the people bore him to the Capitol

    The Roman derived Capitolium from caput.
    An Etruscan king, Olus (Aulus Vulcentanus) was killed and buried there and that the Capitoline temple and hill received its name after his skull was later found there.

    Gospel of Mark

    They bore Jesus to Golgotha, the place of a skull.

    Part III

    Jesus Shouldering His Cross Is Romulus Shouldering His Tropaeum.

    Plutarch has given us a description of the very impressive triumph of Romulus.

    After the rape of the Sabine women, Romulus won a first victory against the King Acro of Caenina. Romulus smote Acro in duel combat and had to fulfill a vow that if he won, he would himself carry the armor and weapons of his enemy to Jupiter and dedicate them to him.

    "Romulus thought about how to best fulfill the oath to Jupiter and at the same time offer the citizens a pleasing drama.

    He had a mighty oak tree felled and formed into a cross that would become the tropaeum. The whole suit of armor of King Acro was mounted on the cross. Romulus put a wreath on his head. Under the wreath, his long hair flowed.

    He heaved the tropaeum onto his right shoulder and sang a song of victory. His soldiers followed him and joined in the singing. Then the citizens welcomed them with joy and wonder. This procession was the model for later triumphs. The cross was dedicated to Jupiter.

    It was an act of strength to carry the cross.

    The Cross of Victory, Victory in Jesus, Victory in Romulus
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    Jun 12, 2017 3:25 PM GMT
    To: Freedom from Religion Foundation Facebook page (since the Ron Reagan FB ad appeared in my newsfeed)

    Jesus Christ, a member of the Christian Trinity of God, who led people away from the God of Moses and the God of King David was Julius Caesar who was a God. Jesus Christ, a character of historical fiction was also Augustus (Son of God, Julius Caesar), Vespasian, Titus, Domitian. He was also Romulus. He was also Em-Manu-El, King Izates, son of Queen Helena. King Izates was of the Manu line of kings.

    See the book Jesus Was Caesar by Francesco Carotta.
    See the YouTube Video Gospel of Caesar posted by GodSpanker.
    See the Facebook page @The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy by Steefen
    See the YouTube video New Perspectives and Conclusions on Christianity (2016 Forward) posted by WBFbySteefen https://youtu.be/9t1dSvEfYwQ

    People should be freed from religion when religion does THIS. It gets the attention of people from cradle to marriage, to grave. It placed itself among words of inspiration and hope. It placed itself in the community of reverence.

    The Freedom from Religion Foundation has to let people know this aspect of pulling the curtain open on the "Wizard of Oz." Let people know what the religious people are really doing: giving glory and honor to Ancient Rome, Romulus and deified leaders of Ancient Rome. I am not okay with that. I question the holiness of that.

    Steefen
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    Jun 12, 2017 3:39 PM GMT


    https://youtu.be/QQbewDArDhM

    LitRW Responded

    Nice work.
    One correction: Caesar's funeral took place on the 17th of March as has now been clearly established, see: http://carotta.de/subseite/texte/articula/LiberaliaTuAccusas_en.pdf
    Coincidentally Caesar also rose on the third day ...
    That Shakespearean eulogy of Marc Antony is a nice piece of literature, but not what really was said and happened. For more info see: www.carotta.de

    Stephenoabc

    Thank you. I am still reading Jesus was Caesar: On the Julian Origin of Christianity by Francesco Carotta. // I clicked on your YouTube subscriber name. Did you upload the same video GodSpanker uploaded? GodSpanker uploaded the YouTube video, "The Gospel of Caesar." I watched that video before buying the book and reading it. See the Facebook page The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy by Steefen. I'm working on the second edition of this book which is on amazon dot com. I cannot finish the second edition until I finish reading Carotta's book. His book does not have an index, so, that creates problems.
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    Jun 13, 2017 2:10 PM GMT
    R. Wheeler
    There is really nothing similar between Julius Caesar and Jesus Christ.

    Steefen
    Similarities between Julius Caesar & Clementia and Jesus Christ
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    Clementia: In Roman mythology, she was the goddess of clemency, leniency, mercy, forgiveness, penance, redemption, absolution and salvation. She was defined as a celebrated virtue of Julius Caesar, who was famed for his forbearance, especially following Caesar's civil war with Pompey from 49 BC. In 44 BC, a temple was consecrated to her by the Roman Senate, possibly at Caesar's instigation as Caesar was keen to demonstrate that he had this virtue.

    1. Priestly Authority
    2. Went out on the water and reassured men they could cross
    3. Forgiveness and Mercy towards Enemies
    4. Taking Care of the Poor
    5. Enduring Persecutions
    6. Beheaded Mentor
    7. Betrayal by Friend/Friends
    8. Awareness of Impending Death
    9. Does Not Put Up a Fight against the Plot to Take His Life
    10. Desires No Delay When the End Comes
    11. Pierced/stabbed by Longinus
    12. Wreath placed on each of their heads

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    13: Both died in the middle of the month in which Passover is recognized.
    14. Both disavowed kingship in the world of the living