Chelsea Manning is released.

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    May 17, 2017 9:14 PM GMT
    Hurray! icon_razz.gificon_lol.gificon_razz.gificon_lol.gif

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/17/chelsea-manning-released-from-prison
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    May 17, 2017 9:19 PM GMT
    And this is the best piece on Manning's release

    https://theintercept.com/2017/05/17/chelsea-manning-is-a-free-woman-her-heroism-has-expanded-beyond-her-initial-whistle-blowing/
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    May 18, 2017 1:09 AM GMT
    A hero of peace and justice.
    Shame on the cruel administration that imprisoned and tortured her.
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    May 18, 2017 2:33 AM GMT
    JTheM saidA hero of peace and justice.
    Shame on the cruel administration that imprisoned and tortured her.


    I full agree with you JTheM. Very few people have the courage to stand up against tyranny and the fact that she was imprisoned for it just goes on to show the injustice of it.
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    May 18, 2017 11:33 PM GMT
    Now the traitoress tranny is free to marry Bruce Jenner. Trump can officiate after they use the ladies room at Trump Tower.
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    May 19, 2017 12:18 AM GMT
    Well, I'll tellya what: she looks better than Jenner does.

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    May 19, 2017 12:48 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidNow the traitoress tranny is free to marry Bruce Jenner. Trump can officiate after they use the ladies room at Trump Tower.


    Caitlyn Jenner has quite a tacky taste. I mean Donald Trump? Yuck!

    Chelsea on the other hand is not even a lesbian.

    Your ideas are as draconian as your vocabulary. (Traitoress anyone? )
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    May 19, 2017 1:07 AM GMT
    ricky1987 said
    Your ideas are as draconian as your vocabulary. (Traitoress anyone? )

    Please define how you are using Draconian.

    As for Mannning, when I first read the story I said hang him. My former military bursting out.

    But yah know, as I read more I started to think. (An exercise you might want to try)

    And my opinion started to shift. I'm not the Manning hater I was years ago. But the Rabid Right never changes.
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    May 19, 2017 2:28 AM GMT
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    JTheM saidA hero of peace and justice.
    Shame on the cruel administration that imprisoned and tortured her.

    I full agree with you JTheM. Very few people have the courage to stand up against tyranny and the fact that she was imprisoned for it just goes on to show the injustice of it.

    She was imprisoned for deliberately distributing classified information, information that very likely led to deaths of some. But you obviously don't give a shit about that.

    Hope you never set foot in the USA.
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    May 19, 2017 7:11 AM GMT
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    ricky1987 said
    Your ideas are as draconian as your vocabulary. (Traitoress anyone? )

    Please define how you are using Draconian.

    As for Mannning, when I first read the story I said hang him. My former military bursting out.

    But yah know, as I read more I started to think. (An exercise you might want to try)

    And my opinion started to shift. I'm not the Manning hater I was years ago. But the Rabid Right never changes.

    Your opinion started to shift about someone who deliberately removed and disseminated classified information. If you compare your opinion now starting to shift with what it must of been in your past military days, you have proof of your decline in morals and mental stability.
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    May 19, 2017 11:25 AM GMT
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    ricky1987 said
    JTheM saidA hero of peace and justice.
    Shame on the cruel administration that imprisoned and tortured her.

    I full agree with you JTheM. Very few people have the courage to stand up against tyranny and the fact that she was imprisoned for it just goes on to show the injustice of it.

    She was imprisoned for deliberately distributing classified information, information that very likely led to deaths of some. But you obviously don't give a shit about that.

    Hope you never set foot in the USA.


    She was imprisoned for blowing the whistle on horrible injustices that were happening under the name of USA and her people, for exposing the war crimes and corruption of the military that was deliberately hidden from the American people. She was imprisoned for unveiling the truth.

    As for the bogus claim of "very likely led to death of some" perpetrated by the establishment who were caught with the hand in the cookie jar has been unfounded by AP and later even Defense Secretary ridiculed it.

    Perhaps, it is you who don't give a shit about lies and corruption that led to the destruction of an entire country.
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    May 19, 2017 11:38 AM GMT
    ricky1987 said
    nyjock said
    ricky1987 said
    JTheM saidA hero of peace and justice.
    Shame on the cruel administration that imprisoned and tortured her.

    I full agree with you JTheM. Very few people have the courage to stand up against tyranny and the fact that she was imprisoned for it just goes on to show the injustice of it.

    She was imprisoned for deliberately distributing classified information, information that very likely led to deaths of some. But you obviously don't give a shit about that.

    Hope you never set foot in the USA.


    She was imprisoned for blowing the whistle on horrible injustices that were happening under the name of USA and her people, for exposing the war crimes and corruption of the military that was deliberately hidden from the American people. She was imprisoned for unveiling the truth.

    As for the bogus claim of "very likely led to death of some" perpetrated by the establishment who were caught with the hand in the cookie jar has been unfounded by AP and later even Defense Secretary ridiculed it.

    Perhaps, it is you who don't give a shit about lies and corruption that led to the destruction of an entire country.

    Even the Obama administration did not favor excusing Snowden for releasing classified information. If someone who has access to classified information has reason to believe wrong-doing was done, there are ways that can be reported. Manning never even attempted that.

    But there is no reason you should care about the US or its laws. Again, hope you never set foot in the US. We are better without people like you.
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    May 19, 2017 11:40 AM GMT
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    ricky1987 said
    Your ideas are as draconian as your vocabulary. (Traitoress anyone? )

    Please define how you are using Draconian.

    As for Mannning, when I first read the story I said hang him. My former military bursting out.

    But yah know, as I read more I started to think. (An exercise you might want to try)

    And my opinion started to shift. I'm not the Manning hater I was years ago. But the Rabid Right never changes.


    I meant traitoress tranny. I ate the word tranny. And draconian, well because it is, meaning lacking in any humanity; cruel.

    It is great that you changed your opinion. The right wingers do change as well. I know a few that did. Obviously, they aren't anywhere close to the paid-trolls that are the RJ misanthropes and their morbid fantasies of an archaic society.
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    May 19, 2017 11:58 AM GMT
    nyjock said
    ricky1987 said
    nyjock said
    ricky1987 said
    JTheM saidA hero of peace and justice.
    Shame on the cruel administration that imprisoned and tortured her.

    I full agree with you JTheM. Very few people have the courage to stand up against tyranny and the fact that she was imprisoned for it just goes on to show the injustice of it.

    She was imprisoned for deliberately distributing classified information, information that very likely led to deaths of some. But you obviously don't give a shit about that.

    Hope you never set foot in the USA.


    She was imprisoned for blowing the whistle on horrible injustices that were happening under the name of USA and her people, for exposing the war crimes and corruption of the military that was deliberately hidden from the American people. She was imprisoned for unveiling the truth.

    As for the bogus claim of "very likely led to death of some" perpetrated by the establishment who were caught with the hand in the cookie jar has been unfounded by AP and later even Defense Secretary ridiculed it.

    Perhaps, it is you who don't give a shit about lies and corruption that led to the destruction of an entire country.

    Even the Obama administration did not favor excusing Snowden for releasing classified information. If someone who has access to classified information has reason to believe wrong-doing was done, there are ways that can be reported. Manning never even attempted that.

    But there is no reason you should care about the US or its laws. Again, hope you never set foot in the US. We are better without people like you.


    I am not sure if the arguments you are bringing is simply because this is the best you can do or have failed to look into the facts surrounding the case. Before blowing the whistle, Manning raised her concerns with the officials who rejected and scorned her. She then went the traditional way such as Washington Post and NYT who did not pay her much attention before getting it through Wikileaks. That's partly why the prosecution had to drop the charges of espionage against her and later "for aiding the enemy".

    But it doesn't just end there. The cruelty with which Manning was treated inside the prison was a result of deliberate humiliation. Even Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International had to condemn the treatment that Manning had to go through.
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    May 19, 2017 12:15 PM GMT
    ricky1987 said
    art_deco said
    ricky1987 said
    Your ideas are as draconian as your vocabulary. (Traitoress anyone? )

    Please define how you are using Draconian.

    As for Mannning, when I first read the story I said hang him. My former military bursting out.

    But yah know, as I read more I started to think. (An exercise you might want to try)

    And my opinion started to shift. I'm not the Manning hater I was years ago. But the Rabid Right never changes.


    I meant traitoress tranny. I ate the word tranny. And draconian, well because it is, meaning lacking in any humanity; cruel.

    It is great that you changed your opinion. The right wingers do change as well. I know a few that did. Obviously, they aren't anywhere close to the paid-trolls that are the RJ misanthropes and their morbid fantasies of an archaic society.

    I'm not sure some of them do understand the so-called opinions they spout here. They just parrot things they've read elsewhere, or have been given to them. You'll notice they can't actually discuss or debate them in many instances, they'll just go into personal attack mode when challenged.

    But the merits and background of the very propositions they're trying to sell here are evidently beyond them. I find that a telling marker.

    As for myself, I consider being able to change and evolve in my thinking to be a sign that my brain hasn't totally fossilized quite yet. A family trait, actually. None of my relatives ever lost their faculties in old age. The rest of their bodies gave out before their brains did, and they were sharp as tacks until the day that happened.

    Some were a bit eccentric, I'll grant you. But always alert and insightful, their minds razor sharp that could cut through and simplify a complex issue in an instant.

    My Father loved to learn new things. Insatiably curious about the world and with exploring new ideas, he was that way until his final heart attack at 84. I use him as one of my models, someone I hope to be like.

    As for Manning, her case is indeed problematical. My own suspicion is that s/he was emotionally unstable at the time. Where the concept of saving lives with his action made sense. Naturally it was wrong.

    But I would also fault a system that failed to recognize his frailty & vulnerability. And also fault WikiLeaks, that would solicit this info. Strange we never see material coming out of Russia via them. It's obvious where their loyalties, if not their their sponsors, are.
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    May 19, 2017 12:18 PM GMT
    ricky1987 said
    nyjock said
    ricky1987 said
    nyjock said
    ricky1987 said
    JTheM saidA hero of peace and justice.
    Shame on the cruel administration that imprisoned and tortured her.

    I full agree with you JTheM. Very few people have the courage to stand up against tyranny and the fact that she was imprisoned for it just goes on to show the injustice of it.

    She was imprisoned for deliberately distributing classified information, information that very likely led to deaths of some. But you obviously don't give a shit about that.

    Hope you never set foot in the USA.


    She was imprisoned for blowing the whistle on horrible injustices that were happening under the name of USA and her people, for exposing the war crimes and corruption of the military that was deliberately hidden from the American people. She was imprisoned for unveiling the truth.

    As for the bogus claim of "very likely led to death of some" perpetrated by the establishment who were caught with the hand in the cookie jar has been unfounded by AP and later even Defense Secretary ridiculed it.

    Perhaps, it is you who don't give a shit about lies and corruption that led to the destruction of an entire country.

    Even the Obama administration did not favor excusing Snowden for releasing classified information. If someone who has access to classified information has reason to believe wrong-doing was done, there are ways that can be reported. Manning never even attempted that.

    But there is no reason you should care about the US or its laws. Again, hope you never set foot in the US. We are better without people like you.


    I am not sure if the arguments you are bringing is simply because this is the best you can do or have failed to look into the facts surrounding the case. Before blowing the whistle, Manning raised her concerns with the officials who rejected and scorned her. She then went the traditional way such as Washington Post and NYT who did not pay her much attention before getting it through Wikileaks. That's partly why the prosecution had to drop the charges of espionage against her and later "for aiding the enemy".

    But it doesn't just end there. The cruelty with which Manning was treated inside the prison was a result of deliberate humiliation. Even Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International had to condemn the treatment that Manning had to go through.

    "In one of the most charged moments on the prosecution side, the government called one of Manning's former supervisors in Iraq, Jihrleah Showman, who related a story of an interaction she had with him shortly before they were deployed: "I tapped the flag on my shoulder and asked him what it meant," she said. "He said the flag meant nothing to him and he did not consider himself to have allegiance to this country or any people."

    In the view of many he should have been executed and I would be surprised if he/she is alive in a few years. Could well meet the a similar fate as Seth Rich who was likely killed by an affiliate of the Democratic Party.
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    May 19, 2017 12:24 PM GMT
    nyjock said
    ricky1987 said
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    ricky1987 said
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    ricky1987 said
    JTheM saidA hero of peace and justice.
    Shame on the cruel administration that imprisoned and tortured her.

    I full agree with you JTheM. Very few people have the courage to stand up against tyranny and the fact that she was imprisoned for it just goes on to show the injustice of it.

    She was imprisoned for deliberately distributing classified information, information that very likely led to deaths of some. But you obviously don't give a shit about that.

    Hope you never set foot in the USA.


    She was imprisoned for blowing the whistle on horrible injustices that were happening under the name of USA and her people, for exposing the war crimes and corruption of the military that was deliberately hidden from the American people. She was imprisoned for unveiling the truth.

    As for the bogus claim of "very likely led to death of some" perpetrated by the establishment who were caught with the hand in the cookie jar has been unfounded by AP and later even Defense Secretary ridiculed it.

    Perhaps, it is you who don't give a shit about lies and corruption that led to the destruction of an entire country.

    Even the Obama administration did not favor excusing Snowden for releasing classified information. If someone who has access to classified information has reason to believe wrong-doing was done, there are ways that can be reported. Manning never even attempted that.

    But there is no reason you should care about the US or its laws. Again, hope you never set foot in the US. We are better without people like you.


    I am not sure if the arguments you are bringing is simply because this is the best you can do or have failed to look into the facts surrounding the case. Before blowing the whistle, Manning raised her concerns with the officials who rejected and scorned her. She then went the traditional way such as Washington Post and NYT who did not pay her much attention before getting it through Wikileaks. That's partly why the prosecution had to drop the charges of espionage against her and later "for aiding the enemy".

    But it doesn't just end there. The cruelty with which Manning was treated inside the prison was a result of deliberate humiliation. Even Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International had to condemn the treatment that Manning had to go through.

    "In one of the most charged moments on the prosecution side, the government called one of Manning's former supervisors in Iraq, Jihrleah Showman, who related a story of an interaction she had with him shortly before they were deployed: "I tapped the flag on my shoulder and asked him what it meant," she said. "He said the flag meant nothing to him and he did not consider himself to have allegiance to this country or any people."

    In the view of many he should have been executed and I would be surprised if he/she is alive in a few years. Could well meet the a similar fate as Seth Rich who was likely killed by an affiliate of the Democratic Party.


    Well then I am very happy, that "view of many" is not a view shared by all.
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    May 19, 2017 9:27 PM GMT
    This is the premeditated murder that Manning exposed in Iraq, long after the atrocities of e.g. Falluja, Abu Ghrayb, Haditha, and the lawlessness of the failed invasion itself (preceded by years of genocidal sanctions), had been denied, then admitted, then apologized away with assurances they would not be repeated again: