Obama likened to a Chimpanzee Parody? Are you Like Kidding Me?

  • GQjock

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    Feb 19, 2009 10:51 AM GMT
    Here is a recent cartoon carried in the New York Post
    Where a recently shot dead Monkey is spoken about
    Is this a parody as the New York Post's editor has called it?
    Or is it racist? or just in Really Really Bad taste?


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    Email the Post and tell them they need to make an apology
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/new-york-post-chimp-carto_n_167841.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/18/new-york-post-cartoon-race
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    Feb 19, 2009 11:01 AM GMT

    As I see it it wasn't meant to be raciest ... people interpret it like this .. otherwise why would a famous news paper put such cartoon in it??

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    Feb 19, 2009 11:04 AM GMT
    chimpcartoon460.jpg

    Corrected (you have to keep the image tags and the link in the same line, else it will not work)

    And yes it's friggin racist. icon_mad.gif
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    Feb 19, 2009 11:35 AM GMT
    Sedative saidchimpcartoon460.jpg

    Corrected (you have to keep the image tags and the link in the same line, else it will not work)

    And yes it's friggin racist. icon_mad.gif



    No It's not ... you just didn't get it right ..
  • GQjock

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    Feb 19, 2009 11:54 AM GMT
    As I see it it wasn't meant to be raciest ... people interpret it like this .. otherwise why would a famous news paper put such cartoon in it??


    Then why don't you Explain it to us then?
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    Feb 19, 2009 12:02 PM GMT
    Well, I thought it was a bi-partisan bill put together and written by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid?
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    Feb 19, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
    It was Trigger, Obama was only on the bandwagon to get it passed.
    I the parody was just in very poor taste. There are clear racial tenor to it as well. Give the very colorful names we have been blessed with through the year.

    My personal favorite is "SPEAR CHUCKER"! I had never even heard that phrase, until someone used it in a bar room verbal confrontation at this bar called Mickey's in Los Angeles.

    I'm sure this will not be the last time that this paper will come under fire!

    Gotta love the New York Post!
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    Feb 19, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
    I actually don't think that this was meant to be racist. At least I hope not even though the cartoonist has a history of over the top cartoons. When I first saw it, I saw it as a dig at Pelosi and Reid in that it is so bad that "any monkey can do it". The monkey he draws plays off the chimp who attacked a woman earlier. Maybe I am being naive, but we definately won't move forward if everyone is so sensitive that they are looking for things to take exception.
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    Feb 19, 2009 3:59 PM GMT
    I don't see it as racist at all. Didn't necessarily even see it as aimed at Obama. He didn't write it, he just signed it. I don't think the average person equates monkeys with black people. I certainly don't. Didn't we all evolve from apes anyway? Some people need to stop being so paranoid and lighten up.
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    Feb 19, 2009 3:59 PM GMT
    The NYPost responded to criticism
    NYPostThe cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy.


    I am not sure if you are aware of the Chimp story. Well, a woman had a pet chimp who was trained and well behaved. A friend visit the woman and the ape rips off her face and mauls her. She is now in critical condition in the hospital. Later, the police arrived and shot the ape after it approached an officer.

    So this is their excuse? It is now funny, ha-ha to make fun of a woman who was mauled. And how does this tie into the stimulus package? The two stories are not related at all. The only connection here, and the one that the Post plays on, is the racist tradition in this country of likening Black people to apes.

    And Ghost, the NYPost is not a famous paper, it is infamous. It has a long history of racism, sexism, and homophobia. Perhaps you are thinking of the NYTimes, which is well respected and famous.
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    Feb 19, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
    Let me get this straight. So, the press and media and cartoonists and everyone else need to mind their manners and tip toe around all things Obama because he's black? I don't think so. It was no holds barred against President Bush 24/7 -- nothing was off limits, one comment worse than the next, totally disrespectful. Now, anything that can even be remotely construed as racist is a slam on Obama? WTF?

    The cartoon was clearly a play on the "Wild Chimp" story where the cops had to shoot the chimp that attacked the woman. Poor taste? Of course. Aimed at Obama? That is a stretch, but whatever.
  • FrontRowIn

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    Feb 19, 2009 4:15 PM GMT
    EricNPHX saidI actually don't think that this was meant to be racist. At least I hope not even though the cartoonist has a history of over the top cartoons. When I first saw it, I saw it as a dig at Pelosi and Reid in that it is so bad that "any monkey can do it". The monkey he draws plays off the chimp who attacked a woman earlier. Maybe I am being naive, but we definately won't move forward if everyone is so sensitive that they are looking for things to take exception.


    I have to agree here. There is no clear reference to Obama, it could be a reference to the Democrats in general.

    Also, you have to consider that the most recent president Bush (who I am far from defending) was constantly satirized as a monkey in MANY of this type of cartoons. Fair is fair, right?

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    Feb 19, 2009 4:28 PM GMT
    JockSnack,

    You're missing the point. I was not directed at Obama but the racist undertones can't be ignored especially from a paper that the New York Times.

    Are you saying that you have never heard any of these phrases.

    Spook
    Jigga-boo
    Spade
    Jungle Bunny
    Spear Chucker
    Monkey
    Apes.

    Put in the proper historical reference and they are many books like:
    Tom Sawyer
    Huckle Berry Fin
    To Kill a Mocking Bird

    The above classics were full of the some of the above referencxes before there revised copies were published. Maybe now you can understand how the dots are connected.

    I'm sure there are more.

    Have you ever seen "Gone with the Wind" or read the book?
    You would get a further understanding why on one level the cartoon could be offensive.
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    Feb 19, 2009 4:29 PM GMT
    in-fucking-credible! I am aghast!
  • Menergy_1

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    Feb 19, 2009 4:32 PM GMT
    Pictures like this?:
    george-bush-monkey-faces.jpg



    I think the cartoon was trying way too hard to link a recent news story about the enraged chimp attacking, and somehow a reference to "dumb monkeys" in the Congress putting together the bill. Too far a stretch for me-- but I can see where some people can instantly go for a racial interpretation (which interpretation doesn't really make sense to me once you consider the "who wrote the bill" in actuality and that the cartoon figure makes no stereotype connection to Obama at all -- IMO)
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    Feb 19, 2009 4:42 PM GMT
    To my mind there is no doubt that this is not only racist but absolutely in bad taste. Historically black people have been referred to as simians (monkeys, chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons, orangutans, etc). This “cartoon" is a racial slur.

    Equally important, the New York Post is suggesting that shooting a USA president is some how funny. Unbelievable.

    Interestingly, this cartoon came out on the same day that Attorney General, Eric Holder, suggested that Americans are cowardly when it comes to discussions about race.
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    Feb 19, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
    JockSnack2008 saidLet me get this straight. So, the press and media and cartoonists and everyone else need to mind their manners and tip toe around all things Obama because he's black? I don't think so. It was no holds barred against President Bush 24/7 -- nothing was off limits, one comment worse than the next, totally disrespectful. Now, anything that can even be remotely construed as racist is a slam on Obama? WTF?

    The cartoon was clearly a play on the "Wild Chimp" story where the cops had to shoot the chimp that attacked the woman. Poor taste? Of course. Aimed at Obama? That is a stretch, but whatever.



    i am with you on this one.. its no big deal!
  • Menergy_1

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    Feb 19, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    How about finding something offensive in this, then:
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    Feb 19, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
    This cartoon is incredibly racist, or can you not see the race of the policemen shooting the "monkey"?

    They are obviously referring to Obama, considering it's making a political reference to the stimulus package.

    Like they used to say about disney: It's racist, but that's just the New York Post.

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    Feb 19, 2009 5:15 PM GMT
    Why is this cartoon garnering so much attention? It's not a racist cartoon, racism can only exist if you believe it to be there.

    The cartoon would have been better with a sign around the chimp that read "Congress"...but then again, maybe someone would still be upset, because they'd be thinking it referred to the African American Representatives and Senators.

    The cartoon makes the point that the Stimulus bill was directed by and written by members who went wild, filling it up with unnecessary measures.

  • Laurence

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    Feb 19, 2009 5:33 PM GMT
    Tsk! It's called common sense guys.

    Cartoonists, satirists and humourists should avoid using any anologies to chimpanzes and apes when referring to anything linked with Obama because of the racist connotations.

    Its doesn't matter if the cartoonist wasn't being racist. There is a long history of racism linking Black people with apes. So it's considered offensive and should be avoided.

    It's not very obscure, and the cartoonist should use his/her brain before trying to crowbar this image and idea (or lack of) together.

    Lozx

  • Timbales

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    Feb 19, 2009 5:40 PM GMT
    I can see where the cartoon can be construed as racist. In my opinion, the racial element isn't all about the monkey. It's also about an unarmed character shot by a white policeman and lying there dead in the street. If the police officers had not been white, it may not have caused the reaction that it did. Add the two references the sum is more than the intended parts.
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    Feb 19, 2009 5:41 PM GMT
    ANFJock21 saidWhy is this cartoon garnering so much attention? It's not a racist cartoon, racism can only exist if you believe it to be there.

    The cartoon would have been better with a sign around the chimp that read "Congress"...but then again, maybe someone would still be upset, because they'd be thinking it referred to the African American Representatives and Senators.

    The cartoon makes the point that the Stimulus bill was directed by and written by members who went wild, filling it up with unnecessary measures.



    hear hear!
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    Feb 19, 2009 5:45 PM GMT
    What I heard is that the cartoonist is known to do controversial stuff.
  • joggerva

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    Feb 19, 2009 5:46 PM GMT
    FrontRowIn said
    EricNPHX saidI actually don't think that this was meant to be racist. At least I hope not even though the cartoonist has a history of over the top cartoons. When I first saw it, I saw it as a dig at Pelosi and Reid in that it is so bad that "any monkey can do it". The monkey he draws plays off the chimp who attacked a woman earlier. Maybe I am being naive, but we definately won't move forward if everyone is so sensitive that they are looking for things to take exception.


    I have to agree here. There is no clear reference to Obama, it could be a reference to the Democrats in general.


    Actually, I think that the lack of a clear reference is what makes the fairly obvious and historically racist connotation of blacks = monkeys a problem, especially considering that while Obama was not the author of the bill, it was a key focus of his for the past weeks.

    Political cartoonists often name the object of the metaphor on the image, so if the cartoonist was trying to criticize Democrats, he should have put the word "Democrats" on the monkey. Same thing goes for if the criticism was of Pelosi/Reid. Or at least made the monkey have the likeness of a donkey or the person(s) being criticized.

    Thanks for the explanation MZ; I had not heard about the story. The cartoonist is obviously unable to decide between good and bad taste, and if the racist undertones were intentional, it would not surprise me.

    EDIT: And on the topic of Bush = chimpanzee political cartoons. Those were a statement of his intellect and decision-making skills - not his race. Apples and oranges.