outdoor grilling parties

  • GAYBIGMACHODU...

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    May 29, 2017 9:51 PM GMT
    I have got a very small back yard and I have a small charcoal grill.I'm a non drinker.I'm a vegetarian.I'm a gay single man without kids.I haven't done any outdoor grilling at home in years.I'm wondering what kind of things do you need for a small outdoor grilling party in a small backyard besides a good grill and good food and good friends and good music?
  • GAYBIGMACHODU...

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    May 29, 2017 10:32 PM GMT
    What healthy outdoor drinks are there for outdoor parties?I don't drink alcohol at all and I don't allow any alcohol at my home at all.I'm into alcohol free parties.
  • buddycat

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    May 30, 2017 9:23 AM GMT
    I don't know too many gay men that do this activity unless they are a couple. This is actually something very common with lesbians.
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    May 30, 2017 11:45 AM GMT
    When I lived in another city a group of about 20 of us gay men had outdoor grilling parties on many summer weekends. They were BYOM (bring your own meat). In the case of the OP he could provide his own vegetarian things, and whoever else wanted that. Some guys brought steak, others lamb, classic hambugers and hot dogs, sausages, chicken, fish, whatever you wanted.

    Our host provided the 2 charcoal grills, and the condiments, outdoor table set up, some shared salad. He also provided a few bags of ice and ice chests, but so did some of us, to help him out. He had a small bar, but most guys also did BYOB as they wished, or sodas. It was sorta like a community picnic, only private in a backyard.

    I loved to bring the fixings for kabobs. I had about 10 clear, covered Rubbermaid containers, that I put the items in. They included marinated beef cubes, shrimp scampi I'd already lightly sauteed, sliced green peppers, small red potatoes lightly boiled, cubed chicken, very small onions I had pre-boiled, just all kinds of things as my fancy took me. I also brought some steak and marinade sauce bottles.

    I also brought along a grilling skewer set by Weber, that I used on our own home grill. It was all metal with a metal holder base, and resuable. Enough skewers with holder to fill the lided grill, and then guys would reuse them for their turn, after a wipe-off for their own choices. That way everyone got to make their own, the way they wanted. It was very popular. If you wanted vegetarian then make vegetarian for yourself. Or as much meat as you wanted. Everyone cooked for themselves.

    And we all tended to sample each other's (food, that is). Very family style. Some guys chose to grill little or not at all, just not their specialty or interest. They brought cole slaw, potato salad, cold cuts, heavy salads, deviled eggs, deserts, you know how inventive gay guys can be. And there'd be enough hot dogs and burgers for them if they wanted, or maybe some steak, whatever. And of course my kabobs.

    I miss those weekends. Here in Florida you'd think we'd do that year-round. But actually everybody's off doing other things. A weekend BBQ here lacks the novelty & urgency it has in the northern snow belt during their brief summer.
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    May 30, 2017 9:30 PM GMT
    I think I'm going to get one of these. It's electric, not gas. And I have an outlet on my back porch. It's pricey but it has a lot of high ratings on amazon.

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    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFPMLOW/
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    May 30, 2017 10:55 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    I think I'm going to get one of these. It's electric, not gas. And I have an outlet on my back porch. It's pricey but it has a lot of high ratings on amazon.

    91YnLsXFeML._SL1500_.jpg

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFPMLOW/

    We have one, by another company. We can't have open flames in a condo or on its patio. A 110v power source really won't heat enough for many true grilling tasks, though. You're merely using a ridged hot plate, like half a Foreman grill. (A genuine Foreman grill has 2 heated plates, top & bottom, that hinge close to surround the cooked item) The only advantage I see to this is the covered dome. That ours also has, but it doesn't accomplish much.

    Ours is waist height on a full pedestal base with floor feet. It's only duty for the last few years has been as a house planter. LOL!
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    May 31, 2017 4:42 AM GMT
    I couldn't tell if you own the home or not. But if you are electric only you should consider a 220V grill. The items in previous posts are basically toys.

    You can't really do any serious grilling at 120V. This grill family requires a 220 volts AC 20-30 amp single phase dedicated branch circuit.

    If you own your own place you should be able to run a line from your breaker panel. It would be similar to an electric stove connection.

    If you don't own the place but have an electric stove or drier you could make an extension cord. True you live in the US and not Europe so this is not readily available. But the parts can be found at Home Depot, etc.

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    https://electri-chef.com/electric-grills/shop/closed-base-pedestal/24-closed-base-grill/





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    May 31, 2017 2:49 PM GMT
    Muskelprotz said
    I couldn't tell if you own the home or not. But if you are electric only you should consider a 220V grill. The items in previous posts are basically toys.

    You can't really do any serious grilling at 120V. This grill family requires a 220 volts AC 20-30 amp single phase dedicated branch circuit.

    If you own your own place you should be able to run a line from your breaker panel. It would be similar to an electric stove connection.

    If you don't own the place but have an electric stove or drier you could make an extension cord. True you live in the US and not Europe so this is not readily available. But the parts can be found at Home Depot, etc.

    RMS095-151024-5779-500x500.png
    https://electri-chef.com/electric-grills/shop/closed-base-pedestal/24-closed-base-grill/

    I concur. And conforms to what I said in my previous post about the inadequate grilling ability of 110v.

    But in most of the US you need a certified, licensed electrician to install a 220v outlet from the breaker box. And a property renter may be breaking the lease in having such work done.

    If the OP owns the property he should contact an electrical contractor, after exploring 220v grill units on the market. If he's a renter he should first contact his landlord.
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    May 31, 2017 3:26 PM GMT
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    Muskelprotz saidI couldn't tell if you own the home or not. But if you are electric only you should consider a 220V grill. The items in previous posts are basically toys.

    You can't really do any serious grilling at 120V. This grill family requires a 220 volts AC 20-30 amp single phase dedicated branch circuit.

    If you own your own place you should be able to run a line from your breaker panel. It would be similar to an electric stove connection.

    If you don't own the place but have an electric stove or drier you could make an extension cord. True you live in the US and not Europe so this is not readily available. But the parts can be found at Home Depot, etc.

    RMS095-151024-5779-500x500.png
    https://electri-chef.com/electric-grills/shop/closed-base-pedestal/24-closed-base-grill/

    I concur. And conforms to what I said in my previous post about the inadequate grilling ability of 110v.

    But in most of the US you need a certified, licensed electrician to install a 220v outlet from the breaker box. And a property renter may be breaking the lease in having such work done.

    If the OP owns the property he should contact an electrical contractor, after exploring 220v grill units on the market. If he's a renter he should first contact his landlord.


    I do believe even in the US there are electricians. As a renter you cannot make changes without discussing with the landlord.
    However, as a renter he probably has access to an outlet somewhere on the property.

    I know some who have built there own US to Schucko converter/extension cords. They want use their German toaster ovens in the US.
    It is possible but you really need to know what you're doing.





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    May 31, 2017 4:12 PM GMT
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    art_deco said
    Muskelprotz saidI couldn't tell if you own the home or not. But if you are electric only you should consider a 220V grill. The items in previous posts are basically toys.

    You can't really do any serious grilling at 120V. This grill family requires a 220 volts AC 20-30 amp single phase dedicated branch circuit.

    If you own your own place you should be able to run a line from your breaker panel. It would be similar to an electric stove connection.

    If you don't own the place but have an electric stove or drier you could make an extension cord. True you live in the US and not Europe so this is not readily available. But the parts can be found at Home Depot, etc.

    RMS095-151024-5779-500x500.png
    https://electri-chef.com/electric-grills/shop/closed-base-pedestal/24-closed-base-grill/

    I concur. And conforms to what I said in my previous post about the inadequate grilling ability of 110v.

    But in most of the US you need a certified, licensed electrician to install a 220v outlet from the breaker box. And a property renter may be breaking the lease in having such work done.

    If the OP owns the property he should contact an electrical contractor, after exploring 220v grill units on the market. If he's a renter he should first contact his landlord.

    I do believe even in the US there are electricians. Shouldn't be much of an impediment.

    No impediment at all. Just a matter of realizing it's required by law in virtually all US jurisdictions. Not something the do-it-yourselfer may be legally permitted to do himself.

    The bigger challenge may be finding a 220v rollabout grill in the US. I lived in Europe, and as you say, the wall outlets there are 220v, not 110v. Therefore all household electrics are 220v.

    Our heavier US built-ins are 220v, like stoves, furnaces, central air, water heaters, clothes dryers. Some of them "hard-wired" that requires an electrician to install, no wall socket and plug.

    But a 220v outdoor rollabout grill sold here? Not sure. And even if one could be imported, the plug wouldn't work with a US 220 socket. European 220 plugs aren't like our US; ours are industrial size, either 3-prong (old style) or 4-prong (current design).

    And any electronic digital displays, timers, or electric motors, like for a rotisserie, made for Europe might be inop here, designed for 50 Hz. The US is 60 Hz throughout our electrical grids. Whether 220v or 110v at the outlet.
  • GAYBIGMACHODU...

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    May 31, 2017 9:40 PM GMT
    I'm not a home owner at all.I'm an one bedroom duplex apartment renter.I'm mentally challenged guy.I live on both low income and disability money.
  • GAYBIGMACHODU...

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    May 31, 2017 9:46 PM GMT
    The only non-single men I will party with these days are my crazy male relatives and I don't have any family parties at home at all and I never will either.
    I'm a clean freak unlike my relatives.
  • GAYBIGMACHODU...

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    May 31, 2017 9:57 PM GMT
    I don't have the space for big parties at my own home at all.
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    May 31, 2017 11:47 PM GMT
    GAYBIGMACHODUDE1972 said
    I don't have the space for big parties at my own home at all.

    Consider this one. It has a pedestal/floor stand, but can also be used indoors on a countertop. The price is manufacturer's suggested retail and flexible.

    http://www.georgeforemancooking.com/products/indoor-outdoor-grills/gfo240cpbq-15-serving-indoor-outdoor-electric-grill-black.aspx



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    Muskelprotz said
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    Muskelprotz saidI couldn't tell if you own the home or not. But if you are electric only you should consider a 220V grill. The items in previous posts are basically toys.

    You can't really do any serious grilling at 120V. This grill family requires a 220 volts AC 20-30 amp single phase dedicated branch circuit.

    If you own your own place you should be able to run a line from your breaker panel. It would be similar to an electric stove connection.

    If you don't own the place but have an electric stove or drier you could make an extension cord. True you live in the US and not Europe so this is not readily available. But the parts can be found at Home Depot, etc.

    RMS095-151024-5779-500x500.png
    https://electri-chef.com/electric-grills/shop/closed-base-pedestal/24-closed-base-grill/

    I concur. And conforms to what I said in my previous post about the inadequate grilling ability of 110v.

    But in most of the US you need a certified, licensed electrician to install a 220v outlet from the breaker box. And a property renter may be breaking the lease in having such work done.

    If the OP owns the property he should contact an electrical contractor, after exploring 220v grill units on the market. If he's a renter he should first contact his landlord.

    I do believe even in the US there are electricians. Shouldn't be much of an impediment.

    No impediment at all. Just a matter of realizing it's required by law in virtually all US jurisdictions. Not something the do-it-yourselfer may be legally permitted to do himself.



    The bigger challenge may be finding a 220v rollabout grill in the US. I lived in Europe, and as you say, the wall outlets there are 220v, not 110v. Therefore all household electrics are 220v. (This part you have right)

    Our heavier US built-ins are 220v, like stoves, furnaces, central air, water heaters, clothes dryers. Some of them "hard-wired" that requires an electrician to install, no wall socket and plug.(Not always)

    But a 220v outdoor rollabout grill sold here? Not sure (Troy Texas) they don't need to be imported And even if one could be imported (they don't) , the plug wouldn't work with a US 220 socket (you can change it) . European 220 plugs aren't like our US; ours are industrial size, either 3-prong (old style) or 4-prong (current design). (a detail with a solution)

    And any electronic digital displays, timers, or electric motors, like for a rotisserie, made for Europe might be inop here, designed for 50 Hz. The US is 60 Hz throughout our electrical grids. Whether 220v or 110v at the outlet (heating elements don't care about line frequency. A rotisserie would run at 6/5 the speed in the US compared to Europe.. meh..).



    The ElectriChef line of grills are made in Troy, Texas. The link is here. It is a perfectly valid solution for many situations.
    http://info.electri-chef.com/contact-us

    Here is the connector for the 4400 model grill. A NEMA 6-50 plug... Used in the US for 220V, 50 Amp max appliances. The other grills have lower current requirements.

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  • GAYBIGMACHODU...

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    Jun 02, 2017 5:46 PM GMT
    I have a small charcoal grill and some grilling tools 2 outdoor coolers for my small summer time outdoor grilling parties this summer on the weekends.I need
    to find myself some local gay single men without kids and with their own 4 door cars to go shopping with and grill out with on the weekends with at
    my home.I don't like beer parties or loud parties or messy parties at all.I'm very picky why I party with and I socialize with these days.
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    The ElectriChef line of grills are made in Troy, Texas. The link is here. It is a perfectly valid solution for many situations.
    http://info.electri-chef.com/contact-us

    Here is the connector for the 4400 model grill. A NEMA 6-50 plug... Used in the US for 220V, 50 Amp max appliances. The other grills have lower current requirements.

    YP-93L.jpg

    Good advice! That 3-prong plug is the old US standard, for many non-motored appliances, mainly like resistance heating devices, such as these grills. But nevertheless still a known US standard. It's still seen in US RV campgrounds, for older vehicles. I'm exploring whether they make the more modern 4-plug.
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    Jun 02, 2017 6:55 PM GMT
    I designed the back deck of my partner's home to make it into a nice cozy lounging area. This it the fire pit table that we use for warmth, ambiance and we also place a metal grill on top when we want to cook food. It's really great.

    This is the model he has:

    1a-gas-patio-fire-pit.jpg

    The broken shards of glass on the bottom of the pit add a really cool effect. The gas tank sits below and is hidden.

    When we want to grill we have an item similar to this that we place on top and cook our food:

    fire_pit_grate_c1549.jpg

    These also work for smaller items like grilled veggies (mesh grill basket):

    high-quality-bbq-grilling-basket-stainle

  • GAYBIGMACHODU...

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    Jun 02, 2017 6:58 PM GMT
    I can't afford to buy those outdoor grills.They cost too much money for me.
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    Jun 02, 2017 7:40 PM GMT
    GAYBIGMACHODUDE1972 said
    I can't afford to buy those outdoor grills.They cost too much money for me.

    I saw the 220v models Muskelprotz showed, and they are into the thousands. The Foreman 110v I linked you are barely $100. But their grilling ability is limited.
  • GAYBIGMACHODU...

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    Jun 02, 2017 8:46 PM GMT
    I already have an outdoor grill.I don't need to get myself another grill at all.
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    Jun 02, 2017 8:53 PM GMT
    OK. I phoned that company in Troy, Texas (I'm not known for wasting time when I'm interested in something). Their Model 4400 may be perfect for us. They confirmed their only 220v plug is the NEMA 6-50 plug as pictured by Muskelprotz.

    An older US standard, mainly for electrical resistance heating, like these grills, and not motors, but still available. The grill is the perfect size for the space we have. There's a larger 8800 model, but a really tight size fit, and more cooking ability then we would use here.

    I showed it to my husband. He's positive about it. And as a former President, Vice-President, and current condo board member for the last 15 years, he thinks a 220v patio installation can be done. If anyone can get any approvals for it, he's the guy.

    I'm gonna have an electrian advise us next. Like all US homes we have 220 coming into the circuit breaker box, the question being whether it can be brought out to our patio. If it's feasible the grill's gonna be my present to him, for his 83rd birthday. They said they can ship it to us, they have no local retailers here.

    For years he's been longing to have some kind of outdoor kitchen; now he may be about to have one. And I'll make that entire goddam outdoor patio into a second kitchen, if it'll make him happy. It's already his herb garden, that I created for him. Nothing I won't do for my guy.

    He's more than capable of using using the grill, and definitely would. And I'm not too shabby at grilling, either. About the only cooking task I can manage.

    I can't tell you how grateful I am, Muskelprotz, for this info. We violently disagree on politics, and we will likely continue that way, but this is not politics. Because I can differentiate between politics and other unrelated issues. I hope you can.
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    Jun 02, 2017 9:24 PM GMT
    I can't afford to get myself a new outdoor grill or a second outdoor grill right now or I would.I live on both low income and disability money.I don't have a job.
    I don't have a driver's license and I don't have a car at all.
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    GAYBIGMACHODUDE1972 said
    I can't afford to get myself a new outdoor grill or a second outdoor grill right now or I would.I live on both low income and disability money.I don't have a job.
    I don't have a driver's license and I don't have a car at all.

    Read your RJ email.
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    Jun 04, 2017 12:34 AM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo saidI designed the back deck of my partner's home to make it into a nice cozy lounging area. This it the fire pit table that we use for warmth, ambiance and we also place a metal grill on top when we want to cook food. It's really great.

    This is the model he has:

    1a-gas-patio-fire-pit.jpg

    The broken shards of glass on the bottom of the pit add a really cool effect. The gas tank sits below and is hidden.

    When we want to grill we have an item similar to this that we place on top and cook our food:

    fire_pit_grate_c1549.jpg

    These also work for smaller items like grilled veggies (mesh grill basket):

    high-quality-bbq-grilling-basket-stainle

    We have a mesh grill basket, that I got a few years ago from Williams-Sonoma on sale. Against the day we might use it over a real grill. Very much larger and a tighter mesh, you could fit a whole chicken in it, or a boat load of veggies.

    Our condo does have a community gas grill at our clubhouse patio. And there's a functional full kitchen just inside the double French doors to the clubhouse, that my husband created. But we never use it, too much hassle to cart all our food down there. It's more for large parties.

    Not sure the grill basket would work with the 220v electric patio grill I'm considering. But if we get it, I'll give it a shot. We've got the basket, might as well try it, and the concept is good.

    I've also got a story about that fire pit or island, but lengthy and for another time.