How Does 1960s High School PE Compare to Today? It Doesn’t

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    Jul 05, 2017 7:34 PM GMT
    This video doesn't even 'go there'...required PE, required naked swimming class and required gang style showers

    Liberal = fitness, Conservative = slobs ? Seems to be the trend......

    "Parents lost interest"? No parents became homo fearful......... icon_redface.gif


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    Back in the 1960s, physical education at some high schools was a grueling challenge. Students were required to do pull-ups, sit-ups, obstacle courses and more — a far cry from what is seen in schools across the nation today.

    Roughly 50 years ago, the high-intensity PE courses at La Sierra High School in Carmichael, California, actually became so notorious that then-President John F. Kennedy implored other schools to use the California high school as a model.

    More than 4,000 apparently signed up to use the fitness program.

    Fast forward to current day and the obesity epidemic is out of control and schools are increasingly cutting out physical education to focus on testing. Approximately 17 percent of children and adolescents aged 2 to 19 are obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Filmmaker Doug Orchard is now working on a documentary about the PE program at La Sierra High School and promoting the “#JFKChallenge” encouraging schools to reinvigorate physical education courses.

    So, just how different was PE at some schools just five decades ago? Watch and see for yourself

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    Jul 05, 2017 8:32 PM GMT
    I began 4 years of US high school in 1963 at 14. We didn't have middle schools. President Kennedy's call for better physical fitness in our schools had taken hold. We really worked hard in gym classes.

    BTW, if you noted those really brief gym shorts, that's exactly what we wore. Though usually with a white T-shirt, with the school name on it. And also with a jock, that was mandatory.

    With gym shorts that brief, a jock was about all that really contained you inside them. Aside from saggy cotton knit Jockey shorts, cut larger & looser than today's, and we didn't have snug lycra bikini briefs or anything like them as an option way back then.

    We were made to work up a sweat, really tough stuff, and then take a mandatory gang shower before dressing and going on to our next class. In retrospect I think part of the unspoken agenda was to prepare boys for potential military service. It was the Cold War era.

    And when I did subsequently enlist 2 years after graduating high school, having withdrawn from college, I found much of our Army training just like those gym classes. Ironically, some 15 years after that, I was teaching similar phys ed classes myself in college, as an Army Major. I sometimes wonder at the strangeness of my life.
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    Jul 06, 2017 12:26 AM GMT
    More Liberal Lying by omission.

    The President's Council on Youth Fitness was founded on July 16, 1956 by Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower to encourage American children.

    Ronald Reagan 1982: Executive Order 12345—Physical Fitness and Sports
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=42997

    President's Council on Fitness, Sports & Nutrition:
    https://www.hhs.gov/fitness/about-pcfsn/our-history/index.html

    Why tell the truth Liberals, when your lies fit the narrative so much better.
  • bro4bro

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    Jul 06, 2017 3:36 AM GMT
    From the 1950s until the early 70s, American kids were essentially being groomed from an early age to fight the next war. Required gang showers mimicked barracks life. Military haircuts prevailed until the Beatles showed up. Many universities required male students to take ROTC. Even the Boy Scouts included pre-military training; commando tactics (an after-dark "silent swim") were a requirement of the swimming merit badge.

    The hippies of the 1960s (yes they were liberals) rebelled against this. They considered regimented exercise and even organized sports to be militaristic in nature, and therefore bad.

    This was the exact same generation who, as parents, lobbied in the 1980s for less strenuous PE and the right for their kids to "opt out" of showers.

    I'll agree that PE ain't what it used to be (or what it should be). But the OP oddly seems to equate naked swimming and gang showers with "fitness". Hmm... fetish anyone?
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    Jul 06, 2017 4:39 PM GMT
    Thank you for the original post.

    The military angle shows an agenda behind it all.

    There's nothing primarily gay about physical fitness. There's nothing primarily heterosexual about physical fitness.
    So unfortunate that "That's gay" is used as an off ramp from physical fitness.
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    Jul 07, 2017 1:03 AM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    More Liberal Lying by omission.

    The President's Council on Youth Fitness was founded on July 16, 1956 by Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower to encourage American children.

    And Eisenhower's Council did nothing. It was Kennedy who energized it, and put youth fitness into action.

    You were too young to remember any of that. In fact, you were still in diapers when Kennedy replaced Eiseenhower, and put a national emphasis on school fitness. It was one of the hallmarks of his Administration.

    Seems to me the rewriting of history is a speciality of the Right. As we see here.
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    Jul 07, 2017 1:31 AM GMT
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    From the 1950s until the early 70s, American kids were essentially being groomed from an early age to fight the next war. Required gang showers mimicked barracks life.

    Let's stop right there. While I would agree there was an agenda to prepare school boys for military service, gang showers had nothing to do with it.

    They were the social norm back then. ALL male showers were open gang. Whether schools, or YMCAs, or private health clubs, or barracks. Always had been.

    In the gender distinctions of an earlier age, women didn't use the gyms and sports facilities that men did. And when there were swimming pools, in the absence of women, it wasn't that men HAD to swim naked, it was rather that they didn't NEED to wear suits. That were mostly knit wool and a problem with the filtration of that time.

    When I went to boys summer camp in 1957 we swam naked in rivers. Because no females were around, and therefore we needed no suits. Suits were worn for THEM, not for us. In the absence of females we didn't need them, or want them. An unneeded hassle.

    I know that concept can be difficult to understand today, but believe me, that was the world in which I lived. Nothing to do with the military.

    I can believe physical fitness in schools was partly to prepare boys for military service. We still had the draft. But during Eisenhower no appreciable organized action was taken, except to form a committee that did nothing.

    It was Kenendy who created and actively promoted his Presidential Fitness Program.

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    Jul 07, 2017 6:09 AM GMT
    Actually, I perfectly innocuously asked my trainer just yesterday if schools even HAD P.E. anymore and if so, did they build new schools without showers?

    He said they still build showers but nobody uses them. (They just go to class dirty!)

    I remember in the late sixties my local high school had gymnastic rings strung above the basketball court. I wonder if such things exist today.
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    Jul 07, 2017 6:13 PM GMT
    In 7th grade, Coach Demetrician (a muscly, sweaty 30-something greek dude) told us that jock straps and showers were required....and that he would check. He also liked to join us in the showers.....

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    After that Sandusky debacle, I seriously doubt there are any jr. high or high school coaches showering with their boys anymore which is a bit of a shame, really.
    Coach was nothing if not, ummm, inspirational...icon_wink.gif
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    In 7th grade, Coach Demetrician (a muscly, sweaty 30-something greek dude) told us that jock straps and showers were required....and that he would check. He also liked to join us in the showers...

    Our HS PE teachers didn't take showers with us, but they did watch. To make sure we took a complete soapy shower. Some boys tried to do a quick pass under the shower, no soap, to come out wet like they had really taken a full shower.

    My HS gym teacher was an ex-Navy SEAL and drill instructor. He could definitely run you ragged. The only times as a kid that I was naked with an adult male was at boys summer camp during years 1957-59, ages 8-9-10.

    It was during skinny dipping swims with our counselors. The first time we swam I was astonished at all their hair down there. I had never seen my Father naked (nor ever did), nor did I have an older brother. A revelation to me.

    As was a boner one of them popped on a creek bank. Well, the counselors were college age, a phase when you spontaneously get hard for no discernable reason. But still, an eye-opener for me. I didn't even yet know we could do that. I thought the limit of our dick's talent was convenient pissing.
  • rdberg1957

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    Sep 09, 2017 6:19 AM GMT
    I graduated from high school in 1975. PE was required through 9th grade. I took elective PE courses in volleyball, tennis, cross-country skiing. The best PE classes teach kids about how to care for and enjoy their bodies and to try different activities. There was some good PE when I was growing up, but a lot of times PE classes were places where teachers scouted for talent for football coaches. It was in college PE when I took swimming, volleyball, handball, and tennis where I enjoyed physical activity more. It definitely helped my grades when I took PE. It didn't prevent me from becoming obese. I started gaining weight in college despite physical activity. I started college at 5'11" and 155lbs. I had played tennis in high school. By the time I was thirty, I was 248lbs. I used Weight Watchers to drop to 198lbs with a combination of cardio, strength training and food tracking. Repeated back injuries disrupted my ability to exercise. I regained more weight after about two years of maintaining at 200lbs.

    I ended up at 348lbs at age 50 and many efforts at weight loss. I had a gastric bypass and lost 128lbs about nine years ago. This enabled me to get back into tennis. I currently play tennis or racquetball 2-4x/week. I haven't had a lack of activity, I've had problems with appetite control. What works best for me is increased protein to reduce cravings, meal planning and food tracking, meditation, and physical activity, including cardio and strength training. Playing sports such as racquetball and tennis is what motivates me to do everything else. In order to keep doing the cardio and strength training, I have to work on flexibility--it also helps with tennis. Losing weight and keeping it off requires immense concentration to make sure I eat the right amounts of the right foods, and keep active. It takes a tremendous amount of energy and focus which can easily be disrupted by the normal stresses of everyday life. PE classes of any variety alone are not the most important variable. I think PE is important, but more for the enjoyment of life than for weight loss. I never feel more joy than when I am playing tennis. I still struggle with my weight.

    PS--I think the group shower thing had to do with ideas about masculinity--the guys who were most afraid of the group showers were often gay or trans. Most of the guys who were gay were afraid of erections showing. I certainly liked the group showers. It was where I got my best fantasy material. In my first year of college, swimming classes were same-gender only and nude. I avoided this for some reason and waited to take a co-ed class with a woman who was not into outdated ideas of masculinity. I learned how to swim in her class.
  • ChicagoSteve

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    Sep 09, 2017 4:03 PM GMT
    Virtually every young guy in that La Sierra video was in great shape. That was definitely not the case when I was in high school.
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    Sep 09, 2017 4:11 PM GMT
    As soon as I saw the thread title "1960's Highschool PE..." I knew it'll be a bunch of old men complaining about the lack of free shows in the locker room these days icon_lol.gif
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    PS--I think the group shower thing had to do with ideas about masculinity--the guys who were most afraid of the group showers were often gay or trans. Most of the guys who were gay were afraid of erections showing. I certainly liked the group showers. It was where I got my best fantasy material. In my first year of college, swimming classes were same-gender only and nude. I avoided this for some reason and waited to take a co-ed class with a woman who was not into outdated ideas of masculinity. I learned how to swim in her class.


    In HS there were erections every once in a while in the shower. At that age I think they can happen for no obvious reason. But if the guy happened to get one it would be endless teasing and laughter in the shower. Usually the guy took it well.

    And true, PE was a scouting opportunity for the football coach. Football coaches typically had to teach history or some such subject- but the real reason they were hired was to coach football.

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    Sep 09, 2017 6:04 PM GMT
    ElnathB said

    Liberal = fitness, Conservative = slobs ? Seems to be the trend......

    Link please...
  • spider

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    Sep 11, 2017 1:02 PM GMT
    here in the uk gym is compulsary as part of the national coriiulum...even at university...As for comunal showers they are pretty standard even in council run gyms and swimming pools just have lockers n a open changing area.
    The big difference now to 1960's is that you get a widers choice of sports as most senior schools use local sports centre facilites..and you dont get your ass waked if the teacher thinks your not trying hard enough
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    ElnathB saidThis video doesn't even 'go there'...required PE, required naked swimming class and required gang style showers

    Liberal = fitness, Conservative = slobs ? Seems to be the trend......

    "Parents lost interest"? No parents became homo fearful......... icon_redface.gif


    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/05/06/how-does-1960s-high-school-pe-compare-to-today-it-doesnt/


    Back in the 1960s, physical education at some high schools was a grueling challenge. Students were required to do pull-ups, sit-ups, obstacle courses and more — a far cry from what is seen in schools across the nation today.

    Roughly 50 years ago, the high-intensity PE courses at La Sierra High School in Carmichael, California, actually became so notorious that then-President John F. Kennedy implored other schools to use the California high school as a model.

    More than 4,000 apparently signed up to use the fitness program.

    Fast forward to current day and the obesity epidemic is out of control and schools are increasingly cutting out physical education to focus on testing. Approximately 17 percent of children and adolescents aged 2 to 19 are obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Filmmaker Doug Orchard is now working on a documentary about the PE program at La Sierra High School and promoting the “#JFKChallenge” encouraging schools to reinvigorate physical education courses.

    So, just how different was PE at some schools just five decades ago? Watch and see for yourself





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    At 1:07: "A country is only as strong as its citizens."

    Never has such truth been spoken about the current state of America. The feminization of men has been so powerful and complete that most men have no idea what it means to be a man anymore. Femininity is celebrated, not only in women but even more so in men. Young children are being given hormones to "change" them into a different gender. Never in the history of our planet have men rushed to have their penises chopped off and transformed into frankenginas. Straight people watch RuPaul's Drag Race the same way men of the 50's watched sports. Most gay men either do drag or clamor to see a drag show every weekend.

    Men have forged the world we know today, not women, but these were real men who risked their lives, and in many instances gave their lives so that we could be free. If a war were to break out today, we might as well just have our white flags ready because I cannot picture today's "men" lifting a finger for fear of breaking a nail.

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    ElnathB saidThis video doesn't even 'go there'...required PE, required naked swimming class and required gang style showers

    Liberal = fitness, Conservative = slobs ? Seems to be the trend......

    "Parents lost interest"? No parents became homo fearful......... icon_redface.gif


    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/05/06/how-does-1960s-high-school-pe-compare-to-today-it-doesnt/


    Back in the 1960s, physical education at some high schools was a grueling challenge. Students were required to do pull-ups, sit-ups, obstacle courses and more — a far cry from what is seen in schools across the nation today.

    Roughly 50 years ago, the high-intensity PE courses at La Sierra High School in Carmichael, California, actually became so notorious that then-President John F. Kennedy implored other schools to use the California high school as a model.

    More than 4,000 apparently signed up to use the fitness program.

    Fast forward to current day and the obesity epidemic is out of control and schools are increasingly cutting out physical education to focus on testing. Approximately 17 percent of children and adolescents aged 2 to 19 are obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Filmmaker Doug Orchard is now working on a documentary about the PE program at La Sierra High School and promoting the “#JFKChallenge” encouraging schools to reinvigorate physical education courses.

    So, just how different was PE at some schools just five decades ago? Watch and see for yourself





    CfYyKNDWQAU0-mn.jpg
    At 1:07: "A country is only as strong as its citizens."

    Never has such truth been spoken about the current state of America. The feminization of men has been so powerful and complete that most men have no idea what it means to be a man anymore. Femininity is celebrated, not only in women but even more so in men. Young children are being given hormones to "change" them into a different gender. Never in the history of our planet have men rushed to have their penises chopped off and transformed into frankenginas. Straight people watch RuPaul's Drag Race the same way men of the 50's watched sports. Most gay men either do drag or clamor to see a drag show every weekend.

    Men have forged the world we know today, not women, but these were real men who risked their lives, and in many instances gave their lives so that we could be free. If a war were to break out today, we might as well just have our white flags ready because I cannot picture today's "men" lifting a finger for fear of breaking a nail.



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    It does look bleak but remember that Hitler wrote off the USA as a threat because it was too soft and lazy.






  • spider

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    Sep 13, 2017 8:43 AM GMT
    surly sports are to be enjoyed and not endured...even at school! I have friends who were totally put off a certain avcivity as thet had to endure it at schol.
    I was put off running due to the cross country runs we had to do and now enjoy it after a 6 year break
    And as for the theory that sports equaly a real masculine man...does that mean that women athelites are men in discuise?
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    Sep 14, 2017 1:33 AM GMT
    spider saidsurly sports are to be enjoyed and not endured...even at school! I have friends who were totally put off a certain avcivity as thet had to endure it at schol.
    I was put off running due to the cross country runs we had to do and now enjoy it after a 6 year break
    And as for the theory that sports equaly a real masculine man...does that mean that women athelites are men in discuise?


    Lol the sports threads are pretty much dead on this forum. Doesn't seem to be an interest at all. If that theory is true, what does that say about us? lmfao
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    Sep 14, 2017 1:38 PM GMT
    I'll restate some stuff, to perhaps put this topic in a first-person perspective. Born in 1949, I lived through this era. And my memory isn't too weak yet. LOL!

    School PE sucked until President Kennedy revitalized it, made it a national priority. Yeah, his predecessor Eisenhower (whom I greatly admire) did form some committee to address the issue. But it went nowhere, produced nothing. I know, I saw it for myself. Our PE had consisted of some basketball, volleyball, and dodgeball.

    And that usually just for the boys. It wasn't considered proper for boys and girls to take exercise together. And the girls had nothing so rough as the boys did. They did simple calisthentics and floor exercises. Basically stretching. Anything more might put muscles on them, most unbecoming for any female.

    I'm not making this up, experienced it first hand. A good example can be seen in the spa scene, in the 1939 movie "The Women". That cultural attitude was still the norm 20 years later. Make a female graceful but not athletic.

    Kennedy, during his brief Presidency, tried to change that. He said America's kids were getting weak & flabby. We were. Same problem we face today.

    Our high schools adopted the standards that Kennedy had established. With real testing. Suddenly we had to work out and sweat. Was the hidden agenda to prepare boys for the military, during the Cold War? Perhaps. But it was good for us in any case.

    I remember in prep school, age 14, 1963, I suddenly noticed my underarm odor as I sweated from a workout. My body was obviously changing. But so were gym classes, now become structured & challenging. A month later Kennedy was dead, but his fitness legacy lived on for a time.
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    trixareforkids saidAs soon as I saw the thread title "1960's Highschool PE..." I knew it'll be a bunch of old men complaining about the lack of free shows in the locker room these days icon_lol.gif


    We just live and breathe for a glimpse of your skanky ho-bag flaccid ass...
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    Nov 26, 2017 4:32 PM GMT
    When I was in high school in the late 70's, it was required to wear a jock and we had mandatory showers in the gang style showers. We had 30 boys in the class with 15 showers and so we showered in 2 groups. We had just 2 1/2 minutes to shower.
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    When I was in high school in the late 70's, it was required to wear a jock and we had mandatory showers in the gang style showers. We had 30 boys in the class with 15 showers and so we showered in 2 groups. We had just 2 1/2 minutes to shower.

    There were more boys than showers in my classes, too. But we just naturally staggered ourselves as we went in, some boys faster than others. With a gym instructor near the gang shower entrance, to make sure we all entered and really showered with soap.

    The school provided classic white soap bars that we all used, BTW, no liquid dispensers back then. The common bars resting on little metal holders or in recesses on the tile walls. Years later in the Army I saw a study on how germ-ridden bars of shared soap could spread bacteria.

    Around 1966 our school got these slotted foot treadle units we were supposed to step on when we exited the shower. It sprayed an antifungal liquid onto the soles of our feet. A big problem with gang showers, and locker room floors, can be athletes foot. To this day I still wear rubber flip-flops in gym showers, even the private stalls.