Evidence based truth about the statistics you have been told are fact about HIV prevention in 2017

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    Jul 17, 2017 9:22 AM GMT
    http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/fall-2015/are-condoms-over-research-and-reality-gay-men
    I and many other RJ forum contributes have been puzzled by the statistics trotted out by those vocal minority who seem to be supporting widespread Prep use and they're clear preference for mainstreaming Bare backing for anal sex. Check out this link which shows a more in depth look at claims of 70% efficacy for condom efficacy among just a few things.

    Regarding Prep

    http://youtu.be/Qz0qn3pd4bk

    Look whats on the agenda of the next major retrovirus research conference. It is of course, about drug resistant strains of HIV of which will cause seroconversions to occur even when Prep is adhered to. While they are not saying it's common place, nor are they discounted it's already occurring in the community. So you BB fans, Prep is not on its own the miracle drug you say it is, nor is it ineffective. I much more to come, so u yourself can smash through some of the garbage self serving information that seems to keep creeping into public sexual health promotions in 2015-17

    http://www.croiconference.org/sessions/hiv-1-infection-multiclass-resistance-despite-preexposure-prophylaxis-prep
  • Element1313

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    Jul 17, 2017 9:36 PM GMT
    Amazing that the left can go so hard on Trump Alt facts when they are clearly better at Alt facts than he is.
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    Jul 17, 2017 10:34 PM GMT
    Element1313 saidAmazing that the left can go so hard on Trump Alt facts when they are clearly better at Alt facts than he is.


    How do you know this person is a lefty in love with alt-facts? For a "long time gay activist" she has essentially no online footprint at all. Near as I can tell, she's just some random person talking out her ass. And for the record, you should be outraged when EITHER party engages in alt-facts. Before you obliquely justify the right's use of alt facts by comparison to the left you might want to check your own party's eye for a plank.
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    Jul 17, 2017 11:31 PM GMT
    CumminsGuy said
    Element1313 saidAmazing that the left can go so hard on Trump Alt facts when they are clearly better at Alt facts than he is.


    How do you know this person is a lefty in love with alt-facts? For a "long time gay activist" she has essentially no online footprint at all. Near as I can tell, she's just some random person talking out her ass. And for the record, you should be outraged when EITHER party engages in alt-facts. Before you obliquely justify the right's use of alt facts by comparison to the left you might want to check your own party's eye for a plank.


    Thanks mate for your comments. I think it's safe to say that you didn't read through the article or speed skimmed it. Also noted the previous guy mentioning US domestic Politics which isn't what the article was about

    The article picks apart the so called 'facts,' relied upon to portray condoms as being ineffective and as it turns out, the study most often quoted by Prep only supporters, is being used as proof of the ineffectiveness of condoms. Ironically, Prep only supporters will quote studio based on mathematical calculations depicting perfect use of which it has been proven is highly unlikely without supervision provided by trained sexual health service staff. The real figure of 92% compares with the scientifically significant studies she quoted which state efficacy of 95-98% consistantly. It matters because it directly affects people behaviours. If you think condoms aren't effective against HIV then the chances are you wont use them. The truth is they are marginally better in reality. If talking about less than perfect use and comparatively, then Prep and condoms under real world conditions stacks up as Prep 41-42% and condoms 70%. Do you really think this is just numbers and Symantecs? Well it's not coz an already apathetic public who at least for the mainstream began to cease fear of AIDS after the Swiss statement, now with Prep being promoted by some self serving people and individuals as a means to greater pleasure and many similar rhetorical statements of suedo science from taking fact then twisting how it's conveyed to the public then when called on their lies point to floored studies or the main favourite by misrepresenting findings to show something that the study they source from does not prove nor was intended.
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    Jul 18, 2017 12:31 AM GMT
    I read both articles you linked SydneyRugbyJock. I thought both were interesting, well written, scientific minded pieces. I took umbrage at element1313's comment - politicizing a comment from the woman in the article called out for her inaccurate facts.
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    Jul 18, 2017 5:50 PM GMT
    CumminsGuy saidI read both articles you linked SydneyRugbyJock. I thought both were interesting, well written, scientific minded pieces. I took umbrage at element1313's comment - politicizing a comment from the woman in the article called out for her inaccurate facts.


    It's common place now, we had a brief information revolution but now we have a spin doctor counter revolution almost as influential in countering decent and covering unfavourable facts from reaching the public. This is the world we live now in 2017
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    Aug 20, 2017 7:04 PM GMT
    Here's my strategy: use a barrier to keep the HIV out of your body. Do not allow it to get in, and expect drugs to kill it off every time. As a soldier, I knew it's better to keep the enemy outside the walls, than to let him inside and have to fight him there in close combat.

    PrEP can be a legitimate fallback for a barrier. We know barriers can fail, or be used improperly. But so can PrEP. Due to incorrect or missed dosing, and evolving HIV strains. Therefore you use multiple defenses, not only one.
  • Ubeaut

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    Aug 25, 2017 8:53 AM GMT
    Here's on for Sydney Rugby
    There's been a 39% drop in new HIV infections in New South Wales. So some combination of test and treat, Prep and Condoms has made a recent turn around in the epidemic.

    http://www.health.nsw.gov.au/news/Pages/20170823_00.aspx