Gay men is getting more and more masculine???

  • zakariahzol

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    Feb 21, 2009 2:33 AM GMT
    In reference to "How tough do you guys what to get"

    When I was a kid , the image of gay and homo use to be a bunch sissy , softies, cross dresser and effiminate guys. A men trap in a women body. A confuse individual born in a diffrent gender. Guy who work as a hair dresser, florist and walk with a female twist and bringing shame to society.

    Nowaday, gays can be the most masculine men you have ever see. They can be Mr Universe, a masculine cowboy on Australian Outback, a muay thai/kick boxer (I am not talking about that one transgender mauy Thai boxer from Thailand) and a biker wearing black leather riding Harley's on a highways. They look so macho and butch , you cant hardly believe this guys are attracted to other men . Some of you Real Jock are so masculine , even our straight friend look gay in comparison.

    This is wonderful . We have come a long way, baby!!!

  • EricPrado

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    Feb 21, 2009 2:44 AM GMT
    What? I thought they were getting more and more feminine. haha
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    Feb 21, 2009 2:45 AM GMT
    Is this a serious post? If so then this is kind of sad.
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    Feb 21, 2009 2:51 AM GMT
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    Feb 21, 2009 2:57 AM GMT
    this post would make a colorful music video.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:01 AM GMT
    itmoons saidthis post would make a colorful music video.


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    Feb 21, 2009 3:05 AM GMT
    We've always been here....it's just that what received mainstream press through news or talk shows were gays that came off as shocking and feminine in order to get ratings, adhere to societies concept of a gay man, and/or to shock the norm/system. Over the years, it's gotten more and more accepted by mainstream society....so I think the regular guys have been coming out more. In addition, TV and movies have been more responsible than in the past on not focusing on stereotypical characteristics such as feminity, cross dressing, or sex-starved and confused. Again, we have always been around....I just think perceptions have changed.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:10 AM GMT
    When I was a kid , the image of gay and homo use to be a bunch sissy , softies, cross dresser and effiminate guys. A men trap in a women body. A confuse individual born in a diffrent gender. Guy who work as a hair dresser, florist and walk with a female twist and bringing shame to society.

    This holds true still to 99.9% of the gay population. I had a hard time telling anyone I was gay because well I didn't want to end up like the rest of them haha. I decided that I'm not going to change who I am just because of stereotypes so yea. I am the straightest gay guy you will ever meet. Sucks to be me though was kind of hoping to find another guy like me to date.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:17 AM GMT
    My dear Zak: Most gay men have always been masculine. What has changed, at least in Western countries, is the way in which gay men are perceived.

    For too long, gay men were identified as those who were the least masculine, the most effeminate, and therefore the most obvious to the general public. In truth, most gay men are very masculine, and so therefore invisible and undetectable to the rest of society, because of the gay stereotypes that say gay men must be more female than male.

    We gays have come a long way because many more of us have become visible in terms of the way most of us really are: masculine, tough, every bit the equal of our straight counterparts. So that we aren't becoming more masculine, as you question, but rather we are becoming more recognized for what we always were all along.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:21 AM GMT
    I'm all for not letting stereotypes define who you are, but can someone explain why we talk so matter-of-factly about effeminate gay men as being inferior?
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:28 AM GMT
    Gay cowboys eating pudding.....
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:28 AM GMT
    L0NEvvolf saidI am the straightest gay guy you will ever meet. Sucks to be me though was kind of hoping to find another guy like me to date.
    Oh, fer the love of Christ.
  • zakariahzol

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    Feb 21, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    Dowal,

    Nobody here say that effiminate men is inferior . What give you the ideas?
  • pcsean28

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    Feb 21, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    One of the earliest examples we have of a gay community recognizable to what we have today was in the 1910's in Newport, RI when the Navy investigated the sailors in the area. There were definite masculine men and feminine "fairies". So, it was about 50/50. There's always been a presence of the more masculine type of gay men, or at least men living a homosexual lifestyle. There might be more of them now as homosexuality is more accepted and gay boys with a more masculine personality feel more comfortable coming out.
  • Timbales

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    Feb 21, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    I just can't help being the raw, seething mass of masculinity that I am.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:31 AM GMT
    Because like most inane people we associate women with being inferior. There is absolutely not reason why effeminate should be a negative quality.

    Unless we just keep getting more threads like this were we commend men for being "masculine".

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    Feb 21, 2009 3:33 AM GMT
    Timberoo saidI just can't help being the raw, seething mass of masculinity that I am.
    Ah...explains the Michelob Ultra. I find I have to temper my manhood with umbrella drinks.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:36 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    Timberoo saidI just can't help being the raw, seething mass of masculinity that I am.
    Ah...explains the Michelob Ultra. I find I have to temper my manhood with umbrella drinks.


    I thought you liked the big glasses because they make your hands look smaller.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:37 AM GMT
    dowal saidI'm all for not letting stereotypes define who you are, but can someone explain why we talk so matter-of-factly about effeminate gay men as being inferior?


    I personally do not consider male feminity as inferior....I think that media and homophobic society has used that quality/behavior/natural personality against us as a culture as if to point out a flaw and to instill fear in others, similar tactics used against all minority groups. Unfortunately, after a ton of years of drilling those images into societies' head as a negative, most people consider it a less appealing quality in men. Same with how many are not comfortable or interested in butchier women.....I embrace everything that comes naturally to gay men and discourage characteristics or behavior that is forced just to meet someone else's idea of what a gay man is. I have always been myself no matter what....but I'm not feminine....and not being feminine comes natural to me. Doesn't mean I think it's inferior....we are just all products of a similar society.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:40 AM GMT
    Timberoo saidI thought you liked the big glasses because they make your hands look smaller.
    And I get to stick my pinkie out.
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    Feb 21, 2009 3:41 AM GMT
    dowal saidI'm all for not letting stereotypes define who you are, but can someone explain why we talk so matter-of-factly about effeminate gay men as being inferior?


    Thank you! I don't think effeminate men are inferior. They aren't what I would personally go for, but they aren't inferior. I think it goes back to some gay mens' thoughts on "If I wanted a woman, I'd date a woman." Certainly there are mannerisms and behaviors most commonly found in women and effeminate men tend to take on those qualities.

    I'm one of those gay men who want a "masculine" (for lack of a better term) man. I prefer men therefore I want someone with qualities associated with the male of the species. It has less to do with gender and more to do with body language (mannerisms and behaviors) associated with men.

    Now, I'm not a sports fanatic, a lumberjack, or a pool hall regular, I'm more of a geek, nature lover, and plain nice guy. I fall somewhere in between. I'm just myself. It's all I know how to be and I've been through too much to pretend to be anything else. But my circle of friends has shown me that gender identity goes further than the "masculine" in a male body and the "feminine" in the female body.

    Why are effeminate men the way they are? It could be choice based on stereotypes, it could be the result of certain upbringing, or, ...like most people..., it is simply the way they are. Do you choose to act the way you do? Do you consciously choose the way you talk, walk, move, or anything?

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    Feb 21, 2009 4:02 AM GMT
    zakariahzol saidDowal,

    Nobody here say that effiminate men is inferior . What give you the ideas?


    You use the following words to describe effeminate guys: "sissy , softies, cross dresser". Then you said that we're now so butch it's hard to believe some of us are gay. And you finish off with "We have come a long way" as if being butch is such a great achievement. Maybe you didn't mean for your post to across as hating on effeminate guys, but it does and it's not subtle.

    I can't help but feel bad for the kids growing up who do fit the stereotype and are met with homophobic attitudes from straight people and gay people. We know what it's like to not be taken seriously because of our sexuality. I don't see how we can turn around and do the same to others.

    If we really didn't think effeminate guys are inferior why would we feel pride in showing everyone how different we are from them.
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    Feb 21, 2009 4:12 AM GMT
    zakariahzol saidDowal,

    Nobody here say that effiminate men is inferior . What give you the ideas?


    You said they brought shame to society....

    That sounds like it kind of implies inferiority icon_neutral.gif
  • zakariahzol

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    Feb 21, 2009 4:27 AM GMT
    What I say it stuff , I grow up with. Certainly not my own opinion . When I said "we have come a long way baby". I was refering to the fact that gay men is no longer look down upon from those day that we look down by society and ashame to be gay to be proud for who we are now. I posted this thread to share what I have see that "gay men are indeed getting more and more masculine", no intention at all to belittle effiminate guys in any way.
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    Feb 21, 2009 6:26 AM GMT
    Wow. Why did I click on this thread..

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