thinking of joining the army

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    Oct 11, 2007 7:06 PM GMT
    Although I hate violence and am gay and out of the closet. I believe i could hide my true self within the military and succesfully cook for our men and women in whatever branch i choose.

    This is mainly for the men who have some experience in this particular subject.

    What branch is best?
    What torture am i to expect?
    If I am to join the coast gaurd would i still have to kill someone? And go off to Iraq?
    What are my chances of getting laid in the army? lol
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    Oct 11, 2007 9:15 PM GMT
    Not in the military myself, but live in Southern California near Camp Pendleton. I personally know a couple of gay marines. They make it work, but it's on the 'down low' from The Powers That Be. without revealing too much, one of the guys lives off base with his boyfriend.

    good luck, Leo
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    Oct 11, 2007 9:17 PM GMT
    depending on your MOS you could get sent anywhere even if you were to be in the Coast Guard.
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    Oct 11, 2007 10:08 PM GMT
    Alexander89 wrote:

    "What branch is best?
    What torture am i to expect?
    If I am to join the coast gaurd would i still have to kill someone? And go off to Iraq?
    What are my chances of getting laid in the army? lol"

    Sigh, I don't think any one single branch is 'Best', though I certainly still have a preference for the Army during the first Saturday of December.

    Torture? Certainly you can expect a lot of BS, especially as an enlisted man. Depending on your MOS you can expect a great deal of physical training. Some services and MOS's more than others, obviously.

    The point of all of the Armed Services is that somewhere, sometime, yes you might be expected to pick up a rifle. That is probably less likely for a Coast Guard or Navy Cook than it is for an Army Ranger or in a Marine Recon battalion.

    No matter what service you choose today, you will almost certainly spend time in Iraq. Should you choose to make the military your career, that experience will put you one up on everyone else looking to be promoted. That is the way things are done.

    Unfortunately today, no matter what they tell you - no matter what your enlistment contract says, you may sinply get sent to Iraq as grunt labor even before you get the training they promise you. No matter what service you are in - you would be amazed at the number of Air Force Officers doing grunt work in the desert because the AF has nothing for them to do.

    Your chances of getting laid are pretty good if you can accomodate yourself to keeping your private life 100% off post and never, never, not ever doing something stupid on post. You will have to learn to TOTALLY 'compartmentalize' your life. You will also have to learn to live with hiding parts of who you are, and live with the possible threat that you could be discovered and loose everything.

    Again I highly recommend that you get a two year degree from your nearby state recognised communitty college before you enlist. Who knows - by the time you graduate DADT may well be a history trivia question.

    I enlisted in the Army and served as an NCO for 12 years. I liked it very much. I was very good at what I did. I basically learned to come to terms with/about my own sexuality while I was in the Army. Other than bar hookups, I ended up having three long term relationships while I was in the Army; two with NCO's, one with an Officer.

    It can be done. It ain't easy.

    If you have specific questions, email me.

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    Oct 12, 2007 1:43 AM GMT
    Wow. I cook like me. Yes, I started out as a cook and then moved to Logistics.

    Being gay in the army is not as hard some make it out to be. But, I do not want you to think that it is not hard. It is difficult hiding who you really are from those who might want to harm you.
    But it will be an experience like no other. If you can make it.

    Torture: To pass Basic training. You will have to pass the Physical training test. So I would start training for that right now. I forget what the requirments are to pass. Ask the recruiter. I think it is 60 Push-ups and 65 sit-ups and running two miles under 15 minutes.

    1. make sure you get everything the recruiter says in writing. They LIE. They have quotas of how many people they get to sign up and will tell you anything to get you to sign up.

    2. Get the GI Bill and college fund.

    3. Only enlist for a 2 or 3 yrs. When you re-enlist you will have the option to change your MOS. If you decide cooking is not your thing. Cooking is not an easy job. Unless you are wanting to be a chef when you get out. I would go supply or logistics material handling. the MOS is 92A.

    4. Do not be tricked into getting a bonus. They are not really worth it. They pro rate the bonus over time and you never really see any of it.
    Remember recruiters LIE.

    If you want to know more, just ask me.

    Yes. you are gonna get laid.
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    Oct 12, 2007 2:17 AM GMT
    Maybe not related to you since I not talking American Army. I join the Voluntary Territorial Army in my country back in 1996. I have to go thru basic military drill like matching, using gun and shooting, basic combat and some survival technique. The whole thing last for about 6 month then I was put into military reserve in case some war happen here when the reserve will be call to serve.

    It have its up and down , but I am proud to say I did it. Frankly the reason I join is to fullfill my long childhood dream and to proof to myself that I am tough enough to go thru military training. I even fake my blood test result because I have high blood pressure then and by right not eligible to be in army.

    The military really turn me to be tough and more masculine . I would said I am not the best soldier there is , that mean I dont excell. I score pretty bad at shooting and they usually bypass me for leadership role in our training. But it have been unforgetable. I remember the night ambush training we do in pitch black night and the fun we boys have swimming at the water falls . And yes, the guys are great, I have a major-major crash on one sargent that keep bullying me (unfortunately he straight , married with children)

    Will I do it again. Probably not I am 42 now. I have other thing to do with my life
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    Oct 12, 2007 5:46 AM GMT
    ok I am 20 and i am in the Army! It really isn't that bad i work in a Hospital so my job is great! my chances of being deployed though not impossible is pretty slim. they need us to stay and work in the hospital so that we can take care of those who have been deployed or are just hurt. If you want to be a cook then I would recommend going through 68M school! basically you go learn how to cook for the army but then you go to San Antonio to become a Hospital Food Service Specialist. this just means that most likely you will get stationed in a hospital and you prepare food for patients staying in the hospital! my friend Anthony does this and he loves it! its an easy job but you still have an important role! basic training depending on where you go varies some are harder than others! its more of a mind game than anything else. you'll survive. i did! and you wouldn't believe how many people in the army are gay! and i know that pretty soon the dont ask dont tell policy will no longer be in effect! its in the works now!
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    Oct 13, 2007 8:25 PM GMT
    thanks guys i will definitely keep your words to heart and I "think" i will sign up for coast gaurd.
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    Oct 13, 2007 8:37 PM GMT
    Being gay and in the Navy isn't all that hard. Only ever been with one other service member and I'm now married to him (not legally since we both value our security clearances, and he's Coast Guard).

    I would recommend serving to anyone with balls enough to do it. It's an awesome learning experience and will do wonders for your character and maturity.
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    Oct 13, 2007 8:40 PM GMT
    Joining the military is a big thing. I am an army vet. Served proudly for 8 years. The military is great for young guys and gals who have no clue what they want to do with their life and is a great stepping stone into their future. With that said it is a commitment telling your country you will fight and die to protect and serve. I dislike hearing complaining about doing time over seas. ITs what your signing up to do. I don't care who is in office, your told to defend and protect you do it. Boot camp is rough, but survivable. My experince was amazing, and actualy very fun. I miss it infact. I am disappointed about what you said about getting laid. If thats even one reason you want to join, then I'd be a shamed to have you protect and serve our country. The Military is not a hookup site. That is the exact reason I think gays should not be openly gay in the military. Its not a sex party. ITs a job its a duty. Get your rocks off on your own time. Not while your protecting our amazing country. Go ARMY! HOOAH!
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    Oct 14, 2007 5:10 AM GMT
    Defending an illusionary line in the sand for monetary gain and status is tired. It is really nothing to be proud of. Wise are those who realize there are no boarders which to "defend". Proud, I am of those that work to erase them. If you need a stepping stone to further your image of success, try something more humanitarian than being involved war.

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    Oct 14, 2007 5:58 AM GMT
    Well i could help you out somewhat i just reccently got outta the Army.

    Army is best if that's what you can call it to go into, if you wanna have some challenge to your military career.
    9 weeks of basic training then whatever MOS(or job u get)(pure hell though no where near Marine BCT) being able to do more then 60 push-ups, 55 sit-ups, and being able to run 2 miles in under 15mins will help you pass every phsyical test they set for you. Listening to others tell you what to do and where to go when and where and how it has to be done isn't easy for everyone. Giving up everything you know and love for the entire time you're in training is hard on some degree but do-able.
    Joining any military branch regardless of the career you get with them you have a high possiblilty to go to Iraq very few lucky individuals don't go, and unless you get into a Medical unit (which it's unlikely you'll ever fire your weapon at another person but still possible) your chances of possibly killing someone is likely.
    Getting laid is something you won't have to worry about i know alot of dudes who like to play around ;) Just making sure you don't ever let stuff slip and you should be fine.

    Joining the military can be somewhat of a blessing it'll most certainly teach you shit about yourself you didn't think you could do, withstand, or accomplish. But at the same time there'll be moments you'll wish you never decided to join a whole lot of bullshit is in every branch. Like all things in life military has it's ups and it's down. You will for sure meet tons of great people from all over the world.
    But from one guy to another i advise everyone to not join it hurt me a great deal when i was kicked out cause i was gay. I was in a medical unit and went to Iraq but never fired my rifle. I was more then good at the stuff i had to do.
    Hiding ones sexuality isn't the easiest thing anyone can do it takes alot outta people to not be able to be themselves especially around people you trust and have a strong brotherhood bond with. But you'll meet people that you can be yourself around and not have to worry about it getting out.

    If you have any questions i'll be more then happy to answer ;) later Stud and hopefully i've helped you some!

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    Oct 15, 2007 2:21 AM GMT
    thanks. btw i was joking about getting laid. I know that i can get laid anywhere i wish. I dont need to join the army to do that. I feel that i lack discipline so joining is simply a thought. I do have a JOB ALREADY. I am just a curious boy ok?
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    Oct 27, 2007 4:40 PM GMT
    Any branch of the service will be what you make it. I've met a lot of gay men in the military already. Don't ask, don't tell, don't harass is still the rule, of course if you let it be openly known that you are gay it is over.

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    Dec 20, 2007 4:32 PM GMT
    Even as a cook you will have to learn to shoot an M16, disembowel an enemy with a bayonet and throw a hand grenade, basically, fight. If you get into a firefight in a convoy, you will be required to watch your buddies back and hold up your end of the fight. If you haven't got it in you to do that, I suggest you not join the military, especially the Army.
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    Feb 03, 2008 11:43 PM GMT
    Each individuals has thier own unique experience in the military. I was in the Air Force for seven years, and I enjoyed it for the most part. I was a great experience, and I learned alot about myself. I wanted to see how far I could push myself, and I wanted to prove to myself that I was tough enough to make it in the military. I wanted to be in the military since I was a kid, but was relunctant at first because I knew that I'd have to go back in the closet. However, there are days where I fell like if I could do basic training all over again, I would.

    When I was in basic training, there were guys who were alot larger and more masculine than myself who cried like little babies and they wanted to quit. I had a perma-smile when I went through. The camaraderie amongst your entire flight/unit is awesome. It is one of the best feelings in the world. Basic training is all a mindgame, it's just a matter of whether or not you can play along. As well as pass the physical fitness test of course. Also in Air Force basic training you have to pass a writen test as well so if you're not book smart, I might think twice about it. Also in the Air Force, amongst the enlisted ranks, you have to take a written test in order to get promoted. If you don't like taking test the AF is not the branch for you.

    As far as fitness level goes, I'd start right now. The AF rates physical fitness on a sliding point scale. It's based on your age and sex. I'm not what the other branches do, but the size of your waist does affect your score. So for man your age, in order to get a perfect score these are the numbers you are looking at:

    Body Composition: abdominal circumferance < 32.5 inches
    Aerobic fitness: 1.5 mile run <= 9:36 mins
    Push ups: # of reps in 1 min >= 62
    Crunches: # of reps in 1 min >= 55

    Remember these numbers are what you are looking at if you want a perfect score.

    Also, as far as sexuality goes, just be cautious. Some people are much "luckier" than other. As far as my sexuality goes, I've had it much easierthan other. My family is accepting of my sexuality, and we all love each other. I've never been bashed. People tend to like me as a person, and they don't focus on my sexuality. When I joined the military, I thought that my luck would run out, but it didn't. I came out while in, and no one seemed to have a problem. No one forced me to get out, I seperated on my own terms, and I'm happy that I had that opportunity to do so. I think that it part it may be the fact that statistically 1 out of every 5 people in the AF is GLB. That doesn't mean the AF is "gay friendly" because it's not. Anyways, the choice is up to you, and good luck with the path you choose.
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    Feb 04, 2008 12:51 AM GMT
    Army would be my last option...but I am biased! Good luck - it isn't easy but I have managed to do it and be successful for the past 18 years.
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    Feb 10, 2010 4:03 AM GMT

    as I've said in another thread ... I was thinking about it one day ... for the experience ... and my thoughts brought this song to the occipital, pons, and cerebral cortex: