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    Feb 22, 2009 2:11 AM GMT
    i've been vaguely curious and interested in getting into it for years, but insecurities aside, i just don't know how to do it right- i don't want to get screwed over by the industry or stunt my own hopes by aligning myself with the wrong people. from those who know, what is the best way to get into the best stuff? while still being able to focus on school for the next year and on graduating?
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    Feb 22, 2009 2:32 AM GMT
    You could audition for Make Me a Supermodel http://www.bravotv.com/make-me-a-supermodel
  • gumbosolo

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    Feb 22, 2009 2:38 AM GMT
    You need an agent to get good work. Model and talent agents are sometimes unlisted, but you should be able to find a few in your area; they all ask for a different submission, but most will want a professional headshot and some combination of full body shots, as well as a resume of your stats (measurements and all that) and relevant experience (if you've done any modeling or performing before), and sometimes a letter of intent stating what you're looking for and what advantages you bring. Hunt around online-- there are lots of sample resumes.

    Headshots are where most of your time and expense would go. Most cities have at least a few photographers who specialize in portrait work for actors and models. You can look at portfolios online, and if someone's work catches your eye, ask about their rates. Especially if you go in with an idea of the kind of image you want to create for yourself, pro photographers are really cool about bouncing ideas around with you and helping you get what you're looking for. I think you're a university student-- if your school has a theater department, look there; chances are anyone advertising to students would have a reasonable price.

    There are other ways in, but that's the one I know of.
  • Ritournelle

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    Feb 22, 2009 2:50 AM GMT
    Never pay for anything, the advice that you need to pay for headshots is patently wrong. There are many types of modeling: high fashion is centered in New York with auxiliary centers in LA and Miami. The major agencies have open calls weekly or you can send in basically three photos of your face, full body without cloths (underwear) and sometimes a side shot. http://models.com/agencies/top-men/ This is a good listing of major agencies with satellite offices throughout the nation. They usually explain what they want to see. And they know exactly what they want in a model, and can pick whoever they want, so be honest in your photos (such as no makeup) because even a slight inkling that the photos are not representative is going to get your "portfolio" thrown in the trash can. Oh yeah, and its only as time consuming as any clients finding you desirable, so you'll probably only have one year anyones. You also better be over 6 foot, or well, you're considered worthless. Fitness models are a whole other ballgame, and I have no experience with that, but I know it is comparatively easier to break into.
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    Feb 22, 2009 2:52 AM GMT
    You can send your photos and stats to the major agencies in Los ANgeles, Miami, Chicago and NY.
    Click, Ford, Boss, ELite, etc. It is good to show smile, body and profile with your true stats. The less styled, the better but these people know what they are looking for.
    If an agency is interested, they will ask to meet you or have you fly out. ( I will also warn you that in this economy, people don't have the budgets that they used to for talent) Because you are in school in OH, this is a little tricky, however this will be a good indicator of wether or not there is interest in your look.
    You can always start with a local agency but chances of you finding paid work is pretty slim unless you live in a metropolitan area or a town with a major photo studio doing ad work. If an agency likes you, they will set you up with other photographers, stylists and makeup artists who are also working on developing a book. Everyone will be working for free... the trade off is that you are all getting photo's for your books.
    When you have a decent book and comp card, they will have something to show clients. They will get a percentage for the booking.

    The only way you get screwed is if you pay a photographer for comp pictures and head shots ( you only pay for head shots if you are a singer or an actor) or sign a shitty contract. You may have to pay a portion of anything you make modeling, regardless of wether the agency got you that job or not depending on what you sign.
    You know you have a shady agency if they ask you to pay for anything. If they think you will make them money, they will get you ready at no cost to you because they know a cash cow when they see one.

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    Feb 22, 2009 3:27 AM GMT
    you are a little short for runway, commercial print you need an agent
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    Feb 22, 2009 3:34 AM GMT
    There are tons of hot guys out there who do nothing.

    I still say that www.modelmayhem.com is a great place to start.

    Put up some pics on there and see what happens. I know a couple guys who have. You'll get help with your portfolio, offers of various kinds (including porn) which you can choose to accept or decline.

    Dude, you're sooo hot, you have a great personality and it shows in your pics. If I had HALF your good looks I would be out there makin money.

    The only way anyone learns to swim is to jump into water.

    You have nothing to lose by trying.
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    Feb 22, 2009 3:36 AM GMT
    chungo44 saidyou are a little short for runway, commercial print you need an agent


    Yeah, minimum runway height is 6'00"
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    Feb 22, 2009 3:36 AM GMT
    Maybe give Barbizon Modeling School a call? icon_lol.gif

    But seriously, maybe find a photographer and get some headshots first.
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    Feb 22, 2009 3:50 AM GMT
    escaflowne said
    oh no, another gay boi who wants to model. Your time and effort will be better served by being in the top 10% of your class. Your face is not distinctive enough to be a model.



    So says the faceless troll.
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    Feb 22, 2009 4:00 AM GMT
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    Feb 22, 2009 4:01 AM GMT
    Agencies are just one of many ways to get a job as a model. I worked with a huge photographer in my country for many brands (hanes, sears, nestle, suzuki, nissan, gmc ect..) not as a model of course!! as an art director and scout and we actually had two rooms full of portfolios from people who went directly to the photographer. Many models use this way better cause sometimes agencies have like some stars who they know are their best assets or to the most experienced ones and they will give everything to them with the exeption if the creatives or photographer ask for something specific like big eyes or dark or blond ect. So if you know someone who works as a photographer assistant, director, producer, art director ect.. ask them if you can go to the studio to meet the photographer, and be nice to him cause he is the most important element on any campaign (print)!.. some photographers use agencies as a last resort they first ask the crew or the scout if he knows a model with the creative descrip. someone whos easy going knows have to do his job and keep his mouth shut!
    So my best advice to you, don't rely on the agency alone if you find jobs by yourself you can sometimes get better pay!! And if youre good with the crew and don't give any trouble the photographer can actually recomend you to others and your career is good to go...icon_wink.gif

    If you want to be a fashion model I really can't help you at all..
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    Feb 22, 2009 4:26 AM GMT
    You need an agent to represent you, you didnt say if you wanted local or national work. Within days of signing with a local agent here I had work. It also lead to other more lucrative work as well, from my own experience I received TV work as an off shoot of doing some local print stuff. Good luck with it, it can be fun.



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    Feb 22, 2009 4:28 AM GMT
    esca, do you model? most agencies want a simple polaroid shot like the ones you have posted. white background, shirtless. just very raw.
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    Feb 22, 2009 4:34 AM GMT
    escaflowne said
    oh no, another gay boi who wants to model. Your time and effort will be better served by being in the top 10% of your class. Your face is not distinctive enough to be a model.




    wow!! This is your second post and already spitting some venom huh? Well congrats then!!

    His face is not distinctive enough in the us maybe, but internationally he is actually exotic and good for variation which is very used in catalogs! Who told you mainstream companies are looking for disctinctive faces and not the boy next door average looking guy who's photogenic and knows how to model. Your watching too much "Tyra boy!!! icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 22, 2009 4:36 AM GMT
    I've been modeling for years. And have gotten exes and friends into shoots with me. Hit me up if you wanna model.

    ..mike..
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    Feb 22, 2009 4:57 AM GMT
    jprswim saidesca, do you model? most agencies want a simple polaroid shot like the ones you have posted. white background, shirtless. just very raw.


    This was amusing to read...but of all the opinions - jprswim wins the prize!

    To the original poster...do exactly what jprswim said -- have someone take a few polaroids (digital photos nowadays): face (full face not side view), full body clothed (jeans, polo shirt) and one torso shirtless.

    Place in envelope, send to agencies in NYC, LA & Miami to the attention: "New Talent Submissions." You can find the ones on-line. They don't have to be "male agencies" -- most top tier agencies have men's divisions.

    Start with local agencies -- many "sister up" with the national ones.

    Nowadays, many of the top agencies scout myspace and facebook. Model Mayhem is popular but agents truly want to see "raw/regular" photos versus glam shots.

    Comments:

    Age -- Excellent
    Stats -- Good: tho you're a bit short for runway but its not out of the question...its all about whether you can walk
    Look -- Good: your androgynous face can limit potential work but that combined w/ your age [now] steps you forward
    Body -- Good: lean/thin is helpful tho you could use to gain more

    To be honest -- I'd say you've got a great look for reality television. Have you thought about submitting for Big Brother or Real World?

    Oh, and in case you're wondering...I'm a former agency owner.

    Good Luck! B787
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    Feb 22, 2009 5:08 AM GMT
    escaflowne saidI can honestly tell you that models are numnuts that, once their looks fade, will have nothing else to go on anymore.

    My feeling are hurts.icon_redface.gif
  • Rookz

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    Feb 22, 2009 5:16 AM GMT
    Negativity is what sad people do escaflowne.

    As gay people, we've already received numerous judgment from straight and morally self-righteous people. We shouldn't be judging each other nor spitting venom on one another, especially from someone whose just seeking friendly advice. If you've paid attention, bitterness is left at the door for we try to support one another here.

    And Czar...

    I really have no advice for you besides good luck!icon_biggrin.gif

    As long as you keep your head above water you can do modeling and school. You will have to make sacrifices to make it work but if that's what you want and able to take care of your business, much more power to you. If you think about it, other people have done what you've done; work and work for their career (as in school). Its just a matter of prioritizing what is important.

    And if the modeling doesn't work out, at least you can look back and say you tried as you moved on.
  • PRDGUY

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    Feb 22, 2009 5:22 AM GMT
    email TomiR1 as he has vast experience in the industry.... and whether its europe or the us.... its all basically run the same... PLUS u can trust his judgement
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    Feb 22, 2009 5:36 AM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidescaflowne said,
    I can honestly tell you that models are numnuts that, once their looks fade, will have nothing else to go on anymore
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    Humm, well my Nuts aren't numb yet and my personal career on the other side of the camera has served me quite well... If you dream of modeling Peter, go for it.


    I work with a retired model. He invested his money well and only works a few days a week to keep from dying of boredom and to qualify for cheap insurance. His house is paid for and he also makes money on the other side of the camera as you do though I think it may be mostly part of his never ending quest not to expire from boredom because he doesn't really need to work anymore.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Feb 22, 2009 5:37 AM GMT
    Czar, I don't think Escaflow was trying to be mean. You wouldn't be able to do runway at your height, and you are a very cute guy. Esca was a model and has model looks, build and height. I think he was trying to save you some pain.

    It is always a great idea to have a back up plan in life.

    Good luck in the future!!
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    Feb 22, 2009 5:54 AM GMT
    The aformentioned advice is good.
    Three shots; smiling face, “serious” face, and a body shot in your undies is all an agency needs to see to know if they want to work with you. Send them out to local agencies as well as nationals. Plenty of college as well as high school students model internationally over the summers to either build their book or because they’ve already made a name for themselves or at least established a relationship with some clientele. You can make a few grand to $25,000 easy in one summer, just depends on your agent and how you’re marketed/the trends of the time.
    Again, never pay for “modeling classes” or make a “down payment” to an agent. These kind of institutions, while maybe having a parent/sister agency that actually does a significant amount of work with “real” models, are generally scams directed towards those who dream of acting, performing, or modeling. Chances of making something of yourself in this kind of situation are far outweighed by the potential loss you face.
    Short hair can be limiting as can short stature if runway is your dream. Also, you’ll be working with Amazons for catalog work so height could be an issue in other areas. Good bone structure, smooth skin, alluring eyes, and a lean body leave you genetically capable of doing good work.
    So, start talking to agencies you’re interested in working with and remember that there is no such thing as a small job and to take everything with a grain of salt. We think you’re pretty even if a mean old agent says you aren’t 
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    Feb 22, 2009 6:50 AM GMT
    escaflowne said:
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's been a LONG time since you modeled. The industry has changed since the 50s.

    now, now boys....lets just try and get along.
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    Feb 22, 2009 6:51 AM GMT
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    muchmorethanmuscle saidAnd just remember. School isn't the answer to success in life. It's required in a number of fields but with our floundering economy it's not a guarantee for success and stability.


    this is what people with a degree from phoenix university online say. Don't be naive. A degree from a tier 1 school goes a long way.



    Hm, okay, my two cents on this flame war. Education is generally a good thing. I would put that above modeling.
    Have you ever met an alum of Phoenix University? I haven't... so I can't speak to what one might say, but I bet it would be a lot less coherent than the quote from muchmorethanmuscle. think Sarah Palin.

    There are plenty of other ways to make money while you are in school. I had a number of jobs in undergrad and was even a bartender at an on-campus pub as a grad student. I have no idea about modeling, but I do know there's a lot of crappy agencies out there. It'll take some of your valuable time to figure out who's on the level and who isn't. Just keep that in your cost/benefit equation as well.