Felt the inequality against gays in the first time in USA.

  • offshore

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    Feb 22, 2009 5:25 AM GMT
    So this week just gone past I was told by my HR department, and their immegration lawyers, there is zero chance of my partner to change his status to be a legal immegrant i I persue my green card in the USA.

    A little history - I came to US last year for work, and my company is willing to sponsor me for a green card. Since I loved California so much (not least the great surfing spots), I decided to go for it.

    I am here on a L2 work visa and my BF is on a B2, as long as I remain on L2, he could accompany me for as long as my visa lasted.

    But if I persue a green card, that will change my status to an immegrant, and he will loose his B2, which means he gets kicked out of the country.

    Straight couples do not face this limitation.

    there are illegal ways of getting around the system but we won't do that - funny how some US senators think allowing same sex couple the same rights will "increase the chance of fraud", does he actually live in a real world??? All this nonsense apparently came from a 1984 clause of 'Defend of Marriage' bill. How are we intruding on marriage I want to know... funny how this country claim to be a secular nation.

    I guess if the US do not want my skill and payment is tax (btw, we on work visa pay just as much tax as a citizen, but do not benefit from any unemployment benefit), I will go else where, Canada is cool, but a little cold, so currently, OZ is my top pick.

    I wonder how many talent USA lost to foreign countries due to this?
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    Feb 22, 2009 5:27 AM GMT
    Have you tried contacting your congressman's office and a immigration lawyer?
  • offshore

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    Feb 22, 2009 5:31 AM GMT
    caslon, I have heard of cases of people getting support from congressman if immegration screwed up their green card, but in my case, it's just a 100% NOT A CHANCE.

    Currenly it is written in Fedral law - for immegration purposes, a couple means a married hetrosexal couple, black and white.

    After looking on internet on this issue I read many hearbreaking stories - even if one partner is a US citizen. Many are forced to part, or leave the USA.

    We don't have a chance.
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    Feb 22, 2009 5:37 AM GMT
    offshore saidcaslon, I have heard of cases of people getting support from congressman if immegration screwed up their green card, but in my case, it's just a 100% NOT A CHANCE.

    Currenly it is written in Fedral law - for immegration purposes, a couple means a married hetrosexal couple, black and white.

    After looking on internet on this issue I read many hearbreaking stories - even if one partner is a US citizen. Many are forced to part, or leave the USA.

    We don't have a chance.

    You are right. If you dont try, you definitely have "100% NOT A CHANCE."

    Times are different now. At least give it a try. What have you got to lose?

  • offshore

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    Feb 22, 2009 5:41 AM GMT
    Time and effort my friend. It's a long and drawn out process - normal immegration routes can take up to 6+ years already without complications. In our case it could turn into a decade long struggle, and in the mean time, there is no certainly, I can not feel settled in a country like this, can't really sink money into buy a house and build a home.

    And my chance of immegrate to OZ and other counties deminishes too with the advancing of age. So I can risk it or have the alternative choice.

    An record shows the cause has had a 100% failure rate so far.
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    Feb 22, 2009 5:47 AM GMT
    Best of luck in Oz.
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    Feb 22, 2009 6:10 AM GMT
    Hey offshore, that's some unfortunate news. I hope things work out for you somehow.
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    Feb 22, 2009 9:25 AM GMT
    I sure hope that we have more welcoming laws for gay partners here in Australia, but I can't promise anything. I just don't know.

    Well, I can promise that you'll like the beaches. icon_lol.gif
  • ROYCE13

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    Feb 22, 2009 9:38 AM GMT

    Hey I feel for you and your situation, but I have to agree with Calson9000, you do nothing and you get nothing. I know it is easy for me to say, but that statement translates to anything we do. However, these type of situations are much more complicated, but since you chose it and moved here, do not let it kick you butt. You do what you have to do, keep contacting people, as you know there is an exception for every law based on who you know, and what the person you know knows- new loop holes, new leg. new state laws etc...and sometimes in the land of opportunity we have to live illegally, not popular to write , but the system creates that. There are other issues that other country have that can have similiar results and such, but some get around them and some don't.

    Do not let it consume you, but do keep an active ear and connection list. And you do know that you have to be the proactive one in this situation, also as you do that, keep your ears and eyes open at work, do not let them know everything you are doing.
  • dionysus

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    Feb 22, 2009 9:48 AM GMT
    weird. first time i felt inequality was when i was driving home as a baby and although i didn't understand it at the time the very first billboard sign i saw was a man and woman holding a child.

  • zakariahzol

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    Feb 22, 2009 12:07 PM GMT
    "Offshore,

    Please refer to my posting on this topic last January. I agree with you it not fair and discriminatory



    "Twenty one years ago I enter a sham marriage with a lesbian American girl in order to gain a green card to live in United States (I pay her to do it). The real reason I do it is because I want to be with my real bf who is an American gay citizen. The marriage is of course illegal and by law me and her can be imprison for 2 years if provern guilty. Upon marrying her I was given a two years temporary green card and I need to re-apply for a permenant one after 2 years of marriage. We need to come up with the prove of marriage like a birth certificate of child born between us , evidence of living together and etc. The marriage for obvious reason was never consumated and we grow to hate each more and more each day.

    A few months latter she ditch the whole arrangement and moved to Arizona never to be heard of again. Without her , I have no way but to leave the USA upon the expiration of the temporary green card, my bf and all those dream I have of life with him and fly home. .Unless she annul this marriage without my knowledge or no longer alive we are still legally marriage (in USA at least) .

    The day that I say goodbye to my ex bf Jerry got to be the saddest day of my life. Eventhough I would say, I didnt regret coming home and my life turn to be so much better than my life in the USA (proffesionally at least), but it was so unfair that my other straight friend can marriage thier American spouses and live there. Sometimes I wonder how different my life would have been if I indeed succesfully became USA national and live together with Jerry in Michigan now."
  • jel1955

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    Feb 22, 2009 2:27 PM GMT
    To all you guys who tried to offer the original poster solutions that included his staying here, you need to wake up!!!!!!!!icon_biggrin.gif

    Your country treats you, GLBTs, and yours, as less than fully human. Period, end of sentence!!

    There is a problem for gay people in the US, but what about the underlying problem? Why are we not, as US citizens, not just GLBT people, demanding that our government throw open its borders to all people? Were the US to set the example, maybe we Americans could move to the EU or Canada, easily, to find work? Anyone thought about that one? What would happen if that brain drain were to occur, suddenly? Do you think the American Taliban would be allowed the power they are currently afforded?

    Were smart people allowed to leave the US, the government would actually see how important gay men and women (and "liberals" of all persuasions) are to the functioning of our society. If all Americans had the option to leave this country for greener pastures, I suspect we Americans would have universal health-care, full rights for all citizens, and a much more efficient and responsive government.

    What we have now, with "citizenship" and "immigration" laws written by big business, is a situation that devalues human life and human rights. Because humans are not considered in any of our current international trade agreements, we have seen all our industries leave this country, and huge compensation inequities rise over the world (and within our own society). Labor is the key, gents. Until we all get on that boat and demand that we be allowed to sail it, we're stuck being stuck by "The Man."

    The current international system of recognizing "citizens" traps people in places which are hostile to them, and seems to me to run counter to all international human rights treaties. That's all I'm saying. Thanks for allowing me the rant. Oh and to you protectionists who read this, thanks in advance for sharing. Problems don't get solved by continuing to offer solutions which have been proven not to work.
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    Feb 22, 2009 2:51 PM GMT
    offshore, the only advice I could offer is to talk to your own immigration lawyer, not necessarily the corporate types. Their customer is your employer and not you. But don't get your hopes up, there are not many possibilities.
    I don't think your hubby can work here on a B2? Maybe he could apply to a local University and stay here on a student visa?
    Or use his time on a B2 to apply for work so someone sponsors him for a work-visa? In this economy that's a long shot and he would have to leave the US for a few months while the work-visa is in process.

    My own company screwed me over last week, telling me that they are not going to sponsor me for a green-card. I'm here on a work-visa and now I have to make up my mind, what to do next. I want to stay in the US, but don't want to depend on my company not to fire me.
  • calibro

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    Feb 22, 2009 4:56 PM GMT
    You might want to also consider NZ. They let you sponsor domestic partners for citizenship... don't think OZ does.
  • tbeaux

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    Feb 22, 2009 5:06 PM GMT
    I DELETED MY COMMENT! LOL. Just to make sure no government sees that or what not just incase any kind of spying goes on.
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    Feb 22, 2009 5:15 PM GMT
    I thought a law was being proposed to help gay immigrants?

    http://www.immigrationequality.org/

    http://www.immigrationequality.org/Press_Releases/UAFA_Reintro_house_2-12-09.htmWASHINGTON, D.C. – Immigration Equality, the national group aimed at ending anti-LGBT discrimination in immigration law, and the Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights organization, lauded today’s introduction of the Uniting American Families Act.


    I am hopeful of change soon.
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    Feb 22, 2009 5:20 PM GMT
    From Wikipedia:

    An L-2 visa is a visa document used to enter the United States by the dependent spouse and minor unmarried children of qualified L-1 visa holders
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    How is this possible?


    And B-2 would be a Toursit Visa, valid for ONLY 90 days?


  • offshore

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    Feb 23, 2009 7:22 AM GMT
    xflipx saidOffshore,
    I am sorry for what it happening to you. A good friend of mine, her name is Abi, she is from Spain. She is kind of dealing with the same problem, but we did a short term fix on this, and I normally would be against it because THIS KIND OF THING DESANCTIFIES MARRIAGE, now if the people would get their head of their ass here and vote yes for gay marriage we wouldn't have this problem. But she is a lesbian and we (in the government's eyes) married her off to a man in the army, luckily he is gay too icon_lol.gif we did it in order for her to stay here with her girlfriend. It's quite unfortunate, and it does desanctify marriage, but i guess you gotta do what you gotta do.


    It is also highly illegal dude, don't go around and tell many people about it icon_cool.gif
  • offshore

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    Feb 23, 2009 7:23 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI thought a law was being proposed to help gay immigrants?

    http://www.immigrationequality.org/

    http://www.immigrationequality.org/Press_Releases/UAFA_Reintro_house_2-12-09.htmWASHINGTON, D.C. – Immigration Equality, the national group aimed at ending anti-LGBT discrimination in immigration law, and the Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights organization, lauded today’s introduction of the Uniting American Families Act.


    I am hopeful of change soon.


    At the moment it's just wishful thinking - it didn't evenget a hearing in the house.