Relationship between sugar and cancer is now clearer, scientists say

  • metta

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    Oct 19, 2017 9:43 PM GMT
    Relationship between sugar and cancer is now clearer, scientists say


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/18/relationship-between-sugar-and-cancer-now-clearer-scientists-say/775963001/
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    Oct 19, 2017 10:06 PM GMT
    I read the link. It seems to say that while a relationship may be "clearer" it is not conclusive. This appears to be a work in progress. I do hope they get back to us with definitive findings, along with recommended courses of action.
  • transient

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    Oct 21, 2017 10:58 AM GMT
    Sugar is acidic to the system.....
    An acidic environment is perfect for cancer cells that feed on sugar.

    Why is this hard to understand?
  • FRE0

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    Oct 21, 2017 11:37 PM GMT
    transient saidSugar is acidic to the system.....
    An acidic environment is perfect for cancer cells that feed on sugar.

    Why is this hard to understand?


    That is not proof.
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Oct 22, 2017 3:06 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    transient saidSugar is acidic to the system.....
    An acidic environment is perfect for cancer cells that feed on sugar.

    Why is this hard to understand?


    That is not proof.


    Exactly. "NO PROOF."

    And not only that but acidic foods are not limited to just sugary eats. Meats are acidic also as well as dairy and fish and grains. So in theory, people who eat strict paleo style diets high in meats are consuming acid rich foods. But we don't see accusations of this type of diet leading to poor health.
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    Oct 22, 2017 4:41 PM GMT
    Given the ever-changing advice on diet, the old adage "everything in moderation" still appears to be a sound principle.
  • transient

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    Oct 23, 2017 6:30 PM GMT
    I believe its more to do with the type of sugars and your overall health.

    If you use mollassos, honey or unrefined raw sugar theres lots of nutrients and its more natural.

    There is definatly a correlation between refined white sugar, corn syrup and cancer.

    Dont believe me?

    Fine, no problem.

    Continue eating white sugar and flour and enjoy the health benefits, or negatives, of refined starches and sugars.

    I personally dont need proof, I use my intuition.

    My diet is as close to natural as possible and I firmly believe the increased cancer rates over the last 60+ years are due to our increased consumption of highly refined goods.

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    Oct 23, 2017 10:55 PM GMT
    My mom LIVED off of cakes, pies, cookies and candy. She had the appetite of a 5 year old. She would pick at her meal and say she wasn't hungry, then eat a huge slice of pie. And although her health status was stacked against her being born a preemie baby, she lived to be 80 and she never had cancer. Not saying this is proof of anything, but something I think about often.
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    Oct 24, 2017 1:41 PM GMT
    transient said
    Sugar is acidic to the system.....
    An acidic environment is perfect for cancer cells that feed on sugar.

    Why is this hard to understand?

    Citrus juices are also acidic. Are they cancerous? Tomatoes are another acidic food. In fact, as I'm having gastric trouble with anything acidic lately, I buy low acid orange juice. And generally avoid red sauces for pasta dishes, choosing things like a white Alfredo sauce instead. Although I suspect part of my tomato problem is how the sauce is spiced, and I can usually eat raw tomatoes sliced for sandwiches or salads.

    Your cause-and-effect with acid and cancer may be faulty. Or at least an incomplete and simplistic picture. I've often said here, even while posting some of these latest nutritional findings myself, they should all be taken with a grain of salt (pun intended). As Ex_Mil8 said, dietary advice is "ever changing".
  • transient

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    Oct 25, 2017 5:45 PM GMT
    art_deco said
    transient said
    Sugar is acidic to the system.....
    An acidic environment is perfect for cancer cells that feed on sugar.

    Why is this hard to understand?

    Citrus juices are also acidic. Are they cancerous? Tomatoes are another acidic food. In fact, as I'm having gastric trouble with anything acidic lately, I buy low acid orange juice. And generally avoid red sauces for pasta dishes, choosing things like a white Alfredo sauce instead. Although I suspect part of my tomato problem is how the sauce is spiced, and I can usually eat raw tomatoes sliced for sandwiches or salads.

    Your cause-and-effect with acid and cancer may be faulty. Or at least an incomplete and simplistic picture. I've often said here, even while posting some of these latest nutritional findings myself, they should all be taken with a grain of salt (pun intended). As Ex_Mil8 said, dietary advice is "ever changing".


    Citrus is 'acidic' but it has an alkalysing effect when processed in the body.

    You would be surprised the amount of alkalysing foods you would assume are acidic.

    My first response was simplistic, please see my second post.
  • FRE0

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    Nov 25, 2017 10:35 PM GMT
    Even though there is no proof that sugar is carcinogenic, those of us who are wise would limit consumption of sugar anyway. It is empty calories and causes problems other than cancer.
  • Suetonius

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    Nov 25, 2017 11:10 PM GMT
    transient saidI believe its more to do with the type of sugars and your overall health.

    If you use mollassos, honey or unrefined raw sugar theres lots of nutrients and its more natural.

    There is definitely a correlation between refined white sugar, corn syrup and cancer.


    The "sugar" in honey, molasses, and "unrefined raw sugar" is the exactly same sugar as in refined white sugar, sucrose, which is essentially 1/2 fructose and 1/2 glucose. These other forms of sugar, although containing other compounds which give them distinctive flavors, all contain sucrose as the sugar. Fructose (which is 1/2 of the sucrose), together with "high fructose corn syrup," as been found to be the principal cause of obesity, late onset diabetes, and fatty liver disease. When ingested, whether refined white sugar, honey, or molasses the sucrose is quickly spit into fructose and glucose, both of which enter the bloodstream. It now appears that sugar (fructose) is also associated with an increase in cancer. It stands to reason, that everyone should strive to reduce the amount of fructose they ingest, whether in the form of white sugar, honey, molasses, or high fructose corn syrup.

    There is undoubtedly a good deal more obesity and diabetes today than 50 years ago principally because the USA government began subsidizing corn production, beyond the point at which corn could be consumed, and the chemical companies discovered they could make a lot of money by manufacturing high fructose corn syrup out of the excess corn, and dumping it on the market. The manufactured "food" companies knew that they could sell more of everything, including bread, if it had a slightly sweet taste. So now, there is high fructose corn syrup in almost every food product one can buy in the grocery stores, together with tons of the stuff in soft drinks. Since consumption of sucrose causes fat deposition, America is now full of very fat children , as well as adults.
  • transient

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    Jan 08, 2018 12:23 PM GMT
    Yes, molasses contains the same sugar as refined sugar.

    But the minerals, vitamins and nutrients that are contained allow your body to process it.

    Refined sugars leach these exact same nutrients OUT of your body in order to process it.

    One adds nutrients to the body, the other consumes them.

    This is true for refined white flour versus wholemeal unrefined flour.


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    Your argument above is an analogue to 'all calories are equal'.
    Like 1000callories of big mac equals 1000 calories of home grown fresh raw salad.
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    Jan 08, 2018 4:52 PM GMT
    transient saidI believe its more to do with the type of sugars and your overall health.

    If you use mollassos, honey or unrefined raw sugar theres lots of nutrients and its more natural.

    There is definatly a correlation between refined white sugar, corn syrup and cancer.

    Dont believe me?

    Fine, no problem.

    Continue eating white sugar and flour and enjoy the health benefits, or negatives, of refined starches and sugars.

    I personally dont need proof, I use my intuition.

    My diet is as close to natural as possible and I firmly believe the increased cancer rates over the last 60+ years are due to our increased consumption of highly refined goods.




    You may be right but as you stated yourself, this is simply your belief.