Ending Daylight Savings Time

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    Nov 06, 2017 1:18 PM GMT
    We just had the semi-annual change yesterday, on Sunday. I think the whole thing is stupid.

    Made some sense in pre-electricity days, in a largely agrarian society, but not now. Even when I lived in farming communities for many years, the harvest goes on around the clock.

    Under huge floodlights, on the motorized equipment and on stands. When the sun comes up and goes down isn't important - it's when weather and crop conditions are just right. And then you harvest nonstop, using modern electric lighting as needed until the crops are brought in, under ideal conditions. Daylight savings isn't a factor.

    I'd like to see us stop this 18th-Century, pre-industrial revolution habit. Often attributed to Benjamin Franklin. Who didin't invent the concept, but did promote it, which made some sense in his day.

    But this is the 21st Century, and a lot has changed. Let's swap candle thinking for technology thinking. And stop this obsolete clock meddling. The Commonwealth of Massachusetts is considering doing that right now. I hope other States do the same.
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    Nov 06, 2017 2:22 PM GMT
    Yes! Please! The one in the spring really messes me up, but it just sucks how early it gets dark once we roll the clocks back. I’ll get out of work tonight and the sun will be setting.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Nov 06, 2017 2:25 PM GMT
    We don't play that game in AZ
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    Nov 06, 2017 2:59 PM GMT
    BTW, I didn't see any announcements about the change, didn't know the date. I woke up at 6:30 yesterday, per the bedside clock, for a pee break. At my age my bladder is my morning alarm clock.

    Coming back to bed I touched my Apple watch, charging in nightime display mode. This table clock is not a good time keeper, although digital, gains about a minute every month. The watch lit up with a time an hour earlier.

    OK, so this isn't right. I went into our office and woke up this computer. It displayed the earlier time, like the watch. I checked my iPhone, same earlier time. It dawned on my half-awake brain that the daylight savings change had occurred. About the time of year for it.

    But the bedside clock doesn't have a link to change itself, has to be changed manually. Likewise the kitchen stove and microwave clocks, the car, and a large anolog clock I have on the wall over this computer. Being old-fashioned, I like the comfort of seeing the time displayed as I first learned to know it.

    But everything else resets itself automatically. Except our several dozen designer wristwatches. But those can wait until we wear them. Most being analog and to match our outfits, some formal. You don't go to a formal function with a watch that displays digital numbers - even today that's still déclassé.

    I had a BF who wore a digital plastic sportwatch with his tuxedo. I told him that's unacceptable. So I gifted him with a super-slim formal analog watch, to slip under his French cuffs. Had a thin metal mesh band that matched his other accessories (cuff links, shirt studs).

    The guy had money out the ass, but had no idea about style, how to look the part. I guess inherited money can do that. Look what it did to Trump.
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    Nov 06, 2017 3:33 PM GMT
    In summer 1960 April–October Daylight Time was nearly universal in Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware and states east and north of there. In Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Kentucky and Virginia and states north and east of there, some areas had it and some did not. Except for California and Nevada, which had April-Sept Daylight Time, 99% of the rest of the country used Standard Time year-round. (The Official Guide says "State law prohibits the observance of "Daylight Saving" time in Kentucky but Anchorage, Louisville and Shelbyville will advance their clocks one hour from Central Standard time for the period April 24 to October 29, inclusive.")

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_time_in_the_United_States
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 06, 2017 10:26 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWe don't play that game in AZ
    We shouldnt play that game anywhere in the USA or anywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere.
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    Nov 06, 2017 10:50 PM GMT
    art_deco said

    Made some sense in pre-electricity days, in a largely agrarian society, but not now. Even when I lived in farming communities for many years, the harvest goes on around the clock.

    Under huge floodlights, on the motorized equipment and on stands. When the sun comes up and goes down isn't important - it's when weather and crop conditions are just right. And then you harvest nonstop, using modern electric lighting as needed until the crops are brought in, under ideal conditions. Daylight savings isn't a factor.



    First of all it's Daylight Saving Time, NOT saving"s" time. The word saving is an adjective and the singular use is the grammatically correct form.

    Second, in the USA Daylight "Saving" Time was not implemented in the states to benefit farmers. On the contrary, many farmers were against the hour change which was first implemented in the early 1900's; March 31st, 1918 to be exact. Farmers had to wait an extra hour for the dew to dry from the crops like hay due to the time being set back during the fall change. Cows were not ready to be milked an hour earlier to coincide with shipping schedules.

    Retail and recreational businesses were the ones who championed daylight saving in the US since its inception. Not farmers.
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    Nov 06, 2017 10:58 PM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo said
    art_deco said

    Made some sense in pre-electricity days, in a largely agrarian society, but not now. Even when I lived in farming communities for many years, the harvest goes on around the clock.

    Under huge floodlights, on the motorized equipment and on stands. When the sun comes up and goes down isn't important - it's when weather and crop conditions are just right. And then you harvest nonstop, using modern electric lighting as needed until the crops are brought in, under ideal conditions. Daylight savings isn't a factor.



    First of all it's Daylight Saving Time, NOT saving"s" time. The word saving is an adjective and the singular use is the grammatically correct form.

    Second, in the USA Daylight "Saving" Time was not implemented in the states to benefit farmers. On the contrary, many farmers were against the hour change which was first implemented in the early 1900's; March 31st, 1918 to be exact. Farmers had to wait an extra hour for the dew to dry from the crops like hay due to the time being set back during the fall change. Cows were not ready to be milked an hour earlier to coincide with shipping schedules.

    Retail and recreational businesses were the ones who championed daylight saving in the US since its inception. Not farmers.

    Most farmers in Australia, were also oppsed to Daylight saving. For much the same reasons.
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    Nov 07, 2017 10:17 AM GMT
    I like DST so kindly leave it alone.
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    Nov 07, 2017 10:47 AM GMT
    Al this talk of Global warming yet we have this extra hour of sunlight....
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    Nov 07, 2017 5:37 PM GMT
    Uninformed gays who only think of themselves: the main reason why Daylight Savings Time just ended is because otherwise school kids would now be walking to school in the dark.

    DST also extends the building season and generates tens of billions of dollars in economic activity during warmer weather.
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    Nov 07, 2017 7:10 PM GMT
    Bodycontactau said
    Al this talk of Global warming yet we have this extra hour of sunlight....

    We don’t create an extra hour of sunlight. Merely shift when the day and night times begin and end on our clocks.
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    Nov 07, 2017 7:15 PM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    Uninformed gays who only think of themselves: the main reason why Daylight Savings Time just ended is because otherwise school kids would now be walking to school in the dark.

    DST also extends the building season and generates tens of billions of dollars in economic activity during warmer weather.

    Nonsense. The length of the day and night is fixed by Nature, not by politicians.

    And a simpler solution for kids would be to have their school day start later, and end later. The rest of society doesn’t need the clocks changed. The majority of kids in the US, BTW, now ride school buses, and don’t walk. The days of nearby neighborhood schools are over. They’re regional. Or don’t they do that in Russia?
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    Nov 10, 2017 12:47 AM GMT
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  • LJay

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    Nov 10, 2017 3:51 AM GMT
    Set the clock and forget changing it twice a year. I certainly agree that the change in the spring is rough. Even being retired and able to sleep late most of the time, it throws me off.
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    Nov 11, 2017 3:46 AM GMT
    List of clocks I don't have to set for the semi-annual time change:

    1 wall thermostat, 1 computer printer, 2 desktop computers, 2 digital tablets, 2 smartphones, 3 Apple Watches, 3 wireless residential phones, 3 TV satellite boxes.

    List of clocks I do have to set:

    1 analog wall clock, 1 decorative table clock, 1 bedside alarm clock, 1 microwave, 1 kitchen range/oven, 1 drip coffeepot, 1 car clock, 2 weather radios, 20+ wristwatches (although admittedly we take our time, not resetting them until we wear them), 1 bicycle digital cyclometer.

    And then there's my personal biological clock. This involtunary "jet lag" effect we must endure every 6 months is ridiculous. I don't need an "extra hour" (a misnomer, since the day remains the same length no matter what the clock says, a function of the Earth's tilt, not of human action), and I don't believe the operations of our modern world materially benefit by this disruption.

    A silly myth perpetrated by politicans that falsely contend we're gaining productivity or some such bonus due to their great wisdom. I think rather that in a democracy a matter such as this should be decided by the people themselves. Let it be put to a vote.
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    Nov 11, 2017 8:56 AM GMT
    I myself, love daylight saving.
    But then, I do live in the southern hemisphere.
  • barefootlover

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    Nov 12, 2017 3:13 AM GMT
    It will never happen here in Wisconsin. If we didn't go on daylight savings, it would be light at the summer solstice at 3:30 am in the morning when most people are still sleeping and dark already at 8 pm. We would be wasting a whole hour of daylight in bed in the morning and wasting a whole hour of electricity in the evening by needing lights a whole hour earlier in the evening. In August it would be dark at 7pm already. It would make a whole lot more sense to just stay on daylight savings year around because we are only on standard time for 4 months out of the whole year and 8 months on daylight savings. Even though we are not an agriculture society anymore, we are a recreational society and it's nice to have that extra hour of daylight in the evening during the warmer months.
  • barefootlover

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    Nov 12, 2017 3:24 AM GMT
    If you don't like daylight savings, move to Arizona or some counties in Indiana that don't change time. Most people prefer the daylight when they are awake in the evening and not the morning when they are still sleeping in bed. There is no purpose in having daylight when most people are sleeping.
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    Nov 27, 2017 3:39 AM GMT
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  • roadbike

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    Nov 27, 2017 3:16 PM GMT
    I grew up in NJ with Daylight Saving
    Lived in AZ without Daylight Saving for 15 years
    Now live in San Diego with Daylight Saving

    I'm a fan of daylight saving. I like it to stay light in the evening as long as possible. I would be bummed if DST was discontinued, but I'd get over it.