'Transracial' man, born white, says he feels Filipino

  • metta

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    Nov 14, 2017 2:17 AM GMT
    'Transracial' man, born white, says he feels Filipino


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/13/transracial-man-born-white-says-he-feels-filipino/858043001/


    This is new to me. I'm very supportive of Transgender people but I would need to understand transracial better before really considering supporting that as well.
  • smegnificient

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    Nov 14, 2017 2:35 AM GMT
    yikes, why would anyone want to give up being a white man to become a Filipino woman. It's like winning the lottery and giving the ticket back.
  • Happenis

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    Nov 15, 2017 1:45 AM GMT
    I wish him the best of luck in his transition.

    Personally, I don't understand the concept of transraciality yet but if it makes him happy and its not hurting anybody else then he should go for it!
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Nov 15, 2017 2:58 AM GMT
    smegnificient saidyikes, why would anyone want to give up being a white man to become a Filipino woman. It's like winning the lottery and giving the ticket back.


    ^ This demonstrates beautifully your own self-hatred and jealousy for being a person who wasn't born white.

    It's also pitiful and quite sad.
  • StevenKal

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    Nov 15, 2017 5:53 PM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo said
    smegnificient saidyikes, why would anyone want to give up being a white man to become a Filipino woman. It's like winning the lottery and giving the ticket back.


    ^ This demonstrates beautifully your own self-hatred and jealousy for being a person who wasn't born white.

    It's also pitiful and quite sad.


    Thank you for catching that.
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    Nov 16, 2017 4:31 AM GMT
    smegnificient saidyikes, why would anyone want to give up being a white man to become a Filipino woman. It's like winning the lottery and giving the ticket back.


    He will have to surrender his F-250 club cab too.
  • northbeach

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    Nov 17, 2017 3:35 AM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo said
    smegnificient saidyikes, why would anyone want to give up being a white man to become a Filipino woman. It's like winning the lottery and giving the ticket back.


    ^ This demonstrates beautifully your own self-hatred and jealousy for being a person who wasn't born white.

    It's also pitiful and quite sad.


    LOOL so anyone who believes white privilege exists is now self-hating?
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Nov 17, 2017 4:47 AM GMT
    White privilege. That's so Obama from 2016. Just laughable.

    Ya gotta laugh off these troll profiles that literally pop up just days prior to them jumping into the forums like the usual seasoned forum posters.

    Welcome to RJ on your sock account. I'm sure you're gonna love it here. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • StevenKal

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    Nov 17, 2017 5:18 PM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo saidWhite privilege. That's so Obama from 2016. Just laughable. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Agreed, but there is American privilege, so there's some truth to the theory of white privilege.
  • Suetonius

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    Nov 17, 2017 9:07 PM GMT
    "Trans-racial"? This is absurd.

    Give me a break.

    What would one want? A gene transplant to change their skin color?
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Nov 18, 2017 1:53 AM GMT
    StevenKal said
    MuchoMasQueMusculo saidWhite privilege. That's so Obama from 2016. Just laughable. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Agreed, but there is American privilege, so there's some truth to the theory of white privilege.


    It's not that cut and dry. And it would require quite a bit of effort to go into detail to provide my point of view. But to give you some perspective, when was the last time you saw a homeless Asian person in America? Or have you ever noticed a difference when Africans from Africa immigrate to America?

    People who usually have the most problems are those that resist assimilating into current day society. For example, "thug" culture is a problem in America. Blacks that immigrate from Africa to other parts of the world aren't going around complaining of white privilege. And then there is the whole "respectability politics" that was a concept invented by black Americans in an attempt to reject assimilation into society as a whole. I am not suggesting that blacks "act white." Asians and Hispanics and white Europeans that have lived in America for years all have their own nuances when it comes to culture and behavior. But for American blacks that only make up 12.5% of the US population, you have to ask yourself why are we seeing lots of corner street drug dealing, illegal gun ownership, high black and black homicide rates.

    As far as homelessness by race, whites make up 41% and blacks make up 40%. Out of the thousands of homeless people I've seen on the streets throughout my life I've only seen one Asian man. The majority of them are white. I don't think they go around proudly asserting that they have white privilege.
  • Triggerman

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    Nov 18, 2017 2:14 AM GMT
    I said this years ago and was rebuffed, but anyone that looks at the history of the term "race" might agree with me. Race as a term is social not genetic. Race only became a thing in 1700's when Brits tried to justify slavery. It's not science based. We don't talk about a race of dogs, or horses, or anything else in the Animal Kingdom. We are all a mix of regional genetics. But Race? Most people are a mix of regional genetics (sorry Adolph), and such. Homo sapien is homo sapien. White, Black, Asian, the old divisions are social, not genetic. In the world of modern DNA I would think the antiquated term "race" would fall along the roadside of 1600 terms. Yes, we look different. Just like I look different from my "white" friend from Siberia.
  • bifocaled

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    Nov 18, 2017 4:50 AM GMT
    The point raised about asian Americans doesn't prove anything other than that Asians work much harder than everyone else. They succeed against the odds. Perhaps that's the only way for black or brown folk - to overcome white privilege, but to pretend it doesn't exist is ignorant and self-serving. Look no further than prison sentences and conviction rates for the same crimes by different races.
  • metta

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    Nov 18, 2017 6:07 AM GMT
    It is much more complicated. Look at the things our government has done throughout history to the black community...


    Report: Aide says Nixon's war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies

    "We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

    Ehrlichman's comment is the first time the war on drugs has been plainly characterized as a political assault designed to help Nixon win, and keep, the White House."

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html

    http://www.drugpolicy.org/press-release/2016/03/top-adviser-richard-nixon-admitted-war-drugs-was-policy-tool-go-after-anti

    Today, they use gerrymandering, voter id laws, reducing polling stations, etc. Yes, they justify it as something else, as they did back then, but they know better, just as we do.
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Nov 18, 2017 7:39 AM GMT
    bifocaled saidThe point raised about asian Americans doesn't prove anything other than that Asians work much harder than everyone else. They succeed against the odds. Perhaps that's the only way for black or brown folk - to overcome white privilege, but to pretend it doesn't exist is ignorant and self-serving. Look no further than prison sentences and conviction rates for the same crimes by different races.


    Asians enjoy more success than whites in the US because of their hard working ethic. But it's not only about hard work. Asian families have some of the best familial social constructs compared to other races in the US. How many Asian American women are having children out of wedlock and raising children on their own?

    In my twenties, I worked as a carpenter for about a year. During that time I got to see how a lot of people lived. Asian households always left the best impression on me in terms of having the strongest support network compared to any other race. They also tended to have the most inter-generational households. Everyone was a team player and had a role. The stay at home grand mother who was probably just retired helped her adult daughter take care of newborns and helped with household chores and cooking. Dad worked, older children were in school and were always taught the value of education.

    Learning collaborative skills at such a young age really helps develop productive successful people. This isn't just limited to career and income. It crosses all aspects of human sociology, interpersonal skills and emotional and mental development. Now compare that to people in single parent homes with no family unit. They wind up on the streets, exposed to crime, drugs, and are barely adults themselves before they start having kids they can't even afford to take care of. And what perpetuates this vicious cycle is that they don't want to admit to any of it being a problem. Instead of questioning themselves or embracing the possibility of changing their own ways for their own betterment they marinate in their own victimhood. They construct "respectability politics" and resist assimilating into productive society. Instead of taking real productive action and personal responsibility they (some, not all) fabricate bullshit like BLM and want people to believe white cops are killing blacks simply because police are nefarious. Yet, anyone in touch with actual facts knows more whites are killed by cops than any other race, and black on black homicide is highest compared to any other race killing black Americans.

    At one point, Black Americans got paid more than Asian Americans. Now they are making more than white Americans. It's pretty clear as to why Asians advance and become successful.



  • StevenKal

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    Nov 18, 2017 7:53 AM GMT
    bifocaled saidLook no further than prison sentences and conviction rates for the same crimes by different races.


    icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif Then don't commit a crime, then you'll have white privilege!!! icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • Happenis

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    Nov 18, 2017 2:17 PM GMT
    I've gotten into dozens of online conversations about this topic throughout the years and nothing ever came about any of them. If your mind is closed to alternate perspectives (as is the case for most right-leaning people) then there's no point in wasting time discussing it. We can just agree to disagree and then call it a day.

    The existence of white privilege is very well-documented and there are countless free resources online to learn more about the topic. BUT luckily for most of you, you really don't even have to educate yourself on the topic or even acknowledge that it exists since systemic discrimination *based on race* is something that you'll never have to worry about facing; and I'm talking about *actual* discrimination..not just a minority disliking you or being mean to you.

    By acknowledging white privilege, it does NOT automatically mean that:

    1. You're a bad person b/c you're white.

    2. Your life is free of all struggles.

    3. A minority is trying to blame all of their problems on you (it's just acknowledging the state of affairs in most post-colonial societies.)

    4. No other types of privileges exist.

    5. A rich black person would have it harder than a poor white person (Note: This same rich black person would still have it harder than a rich white person).

    I notice that most white ppl (including my boyfriend at one point) automatically get defensive when they hear the term "white privilige" and automatically think one or more of the above five factors are taking place when this is definitely not the case. I feel like once people understand this then this conversation can finally progress.

    (And no.. I'm not a drug dealer, illegal gun owner, murderer or homeless person for acknowledging white privelege as somebody here suggested.)
  • bro4bro

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    Nov 18, 2017 5:05 PM GMT
    OK, getting back to the original topic, I guess I'm gonna have to be the dickhead who asks the question...

    Since when is "Filipino" a race?

    Filipino is a nationality, and a culture. Genetically, they draw from a large number of ethnolinguisitic groups. Their culture, as it exists today, is a pastiche of Austronesian, Chinese, Spanish, and American influences, due to being subjugated by various empires over their history.

    There may be some distinguishing physical characteristics of native Filipinos that set them apart from other Asians, just as people from Barcelona look different than people from Madrid. But are Castilian and Catalan different races? Is German a race? Well, I guess Hitler thought it was.

    I totally get the concept of how a transgender person feels elementally that he or she belongs to a gender different from the one they were born with. But how do you "feel" Filipino? What does liking their food and driving a tuk-tuk have to do with belonging to a race?

    The guy's just playing pretend.
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    Nov 18, 2017 6:01 PM GMT
    *Filipina
  • Buddha

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    Nov 18, 2017 6:32 PM GMT
    Yeah, real societal constructions studied by several academics is so fucking sensisble Obama 2016! Fuck those guys, who do they think they are, with their studies. I have my butthurt conservative ideals, why don't they do any studies about that? They have? I wouldn't know, I've never read an academic paper in my life. Having that said, I still vehemently oppose all of them. Well those that contradict my gut instincts at least. The others are fine.

    TRUMP 2017 IN DENIAL ABOUT EVERYTHING IS IN WOHOO let's go motherfuckers!!
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Nov 19, 2017 1:30 PM GMT
    Happenis said

    (And no.. I'm not a drug dealer, illegal gun owner, murderer or homeless person for acknowledging white privelege as somebody here suggested.)


    ^ Another perfect example of groupthink and the inability to differentiate one's personal autonomy from the many pitfalls and trappings of identity politics and victimhood. Just because you're black and I post unfavorable statistics regarding blacks doesn't mean anyone was talking or even remotely thinking of you. And we get it, you acknowledge white privilege. So much so that you went out and got yourself a white boyfriend that you love showing off in your photos! Congrats to you.

    Just because I cite statistics by race and point to factual information to support one aspect of an argument doesn't mean I believe nor am I insinuating that all or even most blacks own guns, are drug dealers or are thugs. It was merely to show that unfavorable numbers for blacks outweighs those for other races. That doesn't mean nor does it imply all blacks or even most of them. This should not need further explaining for the average adult mind. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • craycraydoesd...

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    Nov 19, 2017 3:56 PM GMT
    A black guy gave mmtm his aids, hence his obsession with blacks icon_sad.gif