Nearly 700,000 Americans Have Been Subjected To Conversion Therapy

  • metta

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    Jan 30, 2018 3:59 PM GMT
    Nearly 700,000 Americans Have Been Subjected To Conversion Therapy


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conversion-therapy-lgbtq-youth-study_us_5a6f549ee4b0ddb658c929e4
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 30, 2018 4:11 PM GMT
    That will equal 700,000 people with serious emotional and mental health problems thanks to all this conversion quackery. When are more states going to prohibit this discredited, dangerous practiceicon_question.gif
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    Jan 31, 2018 4:11 AM GMT
    metta saidNearly 700,000 Americans Have Been Subjected To Conversion Therapy


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conversion-therapy-lgbtq-youth-study_us_5a6f549ee4b0ddb658c929e4






    I think its much much higher than that when you factor in how many people in the USA have a "christian" background or up bringing, religious brain washing during adolescence is in itself a type of conversion therapy, or at least a 'deterrent' to living a life style other than what they want you to live, when you discover the truth about these people and their motivation, you tend to become angry, disgruntled and confused as to why these "trusted" adults would lie to you

    Brain washing and mind control is a very powerful tool for those in power, especially during the childhood learning years





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    Jan 31, 2018 6:21 AM GMT
    I'm suspicious. I read the background paper. They came up with the 700K figure by estimating number of adults in the US (181M) and multiplying that by the estimated proportion of gays (5.3%) and determined there are about 9.6M homosexuals in the US. They did a survey (methodology unavailable) of gays that indicated 6.7% of respondents had conversion therapy so extrapolated that over the 9.6M figure to come with the 700K figure.

    Wow. Where do I start in listing the potential flaws in this study? icon_rolleyes.gif Naturally there are no indications the study was, God forbid, peer reviewed.



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    Jan 31, 2018 6:59 AM GMT
    YVRguy saidI'm suspicious. I read the background paper. They came up with the 700K figure by estimating number of adults in the US (181M) and multiplying that by the estimated proportion of gays (5.3%) and determined there are about 9.6M homosexuals in the US. They did a survey (methodology unavailable) of gays that indicated 6.7% of respondents had conversion therapy so extrapolated that over the 9.6M figure to come with the 700K figure.

    Wow. Where do I start in listing the potential flaws in this study? icon_rolleyes.gif Naturally there are no indications the study was, God forbid, peer reviewed.





    Lol, dude, you're talking about FACTS. Since when do those matter? This is 2018. Get with the times. It's all about catchy soundbites.
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    Jan 31, 2018 1:38 PM GMT
    So Liberals, why is it OK for Progressive Liberal Democrat Comrad Mayor DeBlasio of NY to convert his wife:

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    Jan 31, 2018 4:12 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidI'm suspicious. I read the background paper. They came up with the 700K figure by estimating number of adults in the US (181M) and multiplying that by the estimated proportion of gays (5.3%) and determined there are about 9.6M homosexuals in the US. They did a survey (methodology unavailable) of gays that indicated 6.7% of respondents had conversion therapy so extrapolated that over the 9.6M figure to come with the 700K figure.

    Wow. Where do I start in listing the potential flaws in this study? icon_rolleyes.gif Naturally there are no indications the study was, God forbid, peer reviewed.




    I don't give a crap about how you feel the stats are extrapolated. It happens. It happened to my husband.
    When he came out to his family, he was effectively kidnapped by his church pastor and subjected to five days of prayer, aversion conditioning, physical and psychological abuse before he broke out.
    Thankfully the "conversion" didn't take, but he still sees a shrink over the effects it had on him, his relationship with his parents, his relationship with his church, and with his faith in general.

    Fuck you for trying to diminish this just because you disagree with the statistics.
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    Jan 31, 2018 9:47 PM GMT
    Get off your f* high horse. I wasn't defending the practice you moron. I expressed doubt that it's as common as alleged in that study, not that is doesn't happen.

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    Feb 02, 2018 5:29 PM GMT
    Cooler heads after time and All that... I'm posting my apology here to YVRGuy...

    I hit a little too hard on his comments... I chalk it up to a really bad day that day and this topic being one of my very few 'trigger' points...

    Even my Hubs, when I had him read YVR's comment and my reaction, said I overreacted.... and HE's the one who went through it all...

    You didn't deserve that "fuck you" I threw at you, and I apologize for it.
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    Feb 02, 2018 7:43 PM GMT
    Thanks.

    I owe you a public apology too, especially since I know you're not a moron. I've been on RJ long enough to know who the trolls and morons are, and as an interested reader of the Forums know perfectly well you are neither.

    I recognized that the issue hit a deep chord with you and I should have simply acknowledged how appalling conversion therapy as a preamble to my criticism of the poll.

    I'm originally from Ontario and the government came down hard on CT as pure and simple quackery and I forgot that it's likely much more wide-spread in parts of the US. The target of my message, as it has been on other postings, was what I perceive to be poorly constructed polls designed to shift policy.

    I think this problem is insidious because the more extreme examples can backfire and undermine people's faith in science in general and important institutions in particular, such as national news organization. It feeds into the general public's perception of "fake news".

    When people lose trust in what the media tells them then they are more apt to disregard the truth. When President Trump was elected everyone expressed shock, not least because he was surrounded by so much negative press. I think people failed to consider that a big chunk of the electorate simply refused to believe any negative stories about him. In the long run I think this is a dangerous trend for democracy, and a lot of serious news organizations who seem to confuse editorializing with reporting deserve some blame.

    Most of the blame falls on gullible and dumb voters. Throw in fear and desperation and it becomes easier to understand why some people latch onto gay conversion therapy. The medical profession and government must step in to stop people from harming themselves and their kids. I think in future people will accept CT is psychological abuse but I fear it will take a lot of damaged victims and law suits before generally gutless politicians respond.

    Thanks, too, to your partner for his compassion.. It was a sh*y thing he had to endure and I hope he recovers fully from the experience and that his family gains insight into their own actions.
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    Feb 05, 2018 3:16 AM GMT
    Why does the article not discuss the Islamic version of conversion therapy, which is to immediately kill every gay man.

    https://goo.gl/images/qWnK1e

    Oh, that’s right.....left wing huffington must bury anythig bad about the newest democrat party interest group.....MUSLIMS!

    Remember.....it was a Democrati Muslim who killed 50 LGBT in Orlando. If you want more Orlandos, just keep voting for DEMOCRATS.
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    Feb 05, 2018 10:06 AM GMT
    Sadly with the complexities of bisexuality.
    Has left many believing that people can be cured of homosexuality.
    Sadly us Bona Fide Homosexuals, are born, as are hetrosexuals and bisexuals.
    We Bona Fide Homosexuals, have as much chance of turning as a hetrosexual does.
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    Feb 05, 2018 8:59 PM GMT
    YVRguy saidI'm suspicious. I read the background paper. They came up with the 700K figure by estimating number of adults in the US (181M) and multiplying that by the estimated proportion of gays (5.3%) and determined there are about 9.6M homosexuals in the US. They did a survey (methodology unavailable) of gays that indicated 6.7% of respondents had conversion therapy so extrapolated that over the 9.6M figure to come with the 700K figure.

    Wow. Where do I start in listing the potential flaws in this study? icon_rolleyes.gif Naturally there are no indications the study was, God forbid, peer reviewed.





    True, it sounds like bullshit.
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    Feb 05, 2018 11:09 PM GMT
    It's Huffington Post doing the harm here....by LYING.

    I checked AN ACTUAL SOURCE and found some very interesting facts...

    - Therapy is scientifically based on psychoanalytic treatment methods.
    - Only treat people NOT HAPPY with being gay.
    - NO coercion.
    - NO kidnappings.
    - NO beatings.
    - NO electric shocks.
    - About 1/3 develop heterosexual orientation. No desire for same sex.
    - About 1/3 develop heterosexual orientation. Occasional desire for same sex. (Bisexual?)
    - About 1/3 stay gay!

    Best treatment outcome for men who had traumatic childhoods (dysfunctional family, bullying, abuse, etc.) COMBINED with overprotective/domineering mother, plus a father unable to bond. Lesbians are a completely different story, apparently.


    Dr. Joseph Nicholosi is a clinical psychologist with experience in this field. Give him a watch and come to your own conclusions.

    "Real Homosexuals vs Psuedo Homosexuals"



    A talk to audience ...maybe gay men or therapists.



    And the Q&A...



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    Feb 06, 2018 1:32 AM GMT
    S2Ki saidI
    I checked AN ACTUAL SOURCE and found some very interesting facts...

    - Therapy is scientifically based on psychoanalytic treatment methods.
    - Only treat people NOT HAPPY with being gay.
    - NO coercion.
    - NO kidnappings.
    - NO beatings.
    - NO electric shocks.
    - About 1/3 develop heterosexual orientation. No desire for same sex.
    - About 1/3 develop heterosexual orientation. Occasional desire for same sex. (Bisexual?)
    - About 1/3 stay gay!

    Best treatment outcome for men who had traumatic childhoods (dysfunctional family, bullying, abuse, etc.) COMBINED with overprotective/domineering mother, plus a father unable to bond.

    Let's not speak in such clear absolutes, please.

    I'm not sure what sources you checked... and i'm not asking you to site them... but I, too have a source...

    - He WAS kidnapped.
    - He WAS drugged to make his kidnapping easier.
    - He WAS beaten.
    - He WAS starved.
    - He WAS punished with a high-pressure cold water hose.

    They called it "Prayer" and "Adjustment" and "Reformation".

    It's not all based in science and psychology... but it always seems to be rooted in fear.

    Don't tell me that it doesn't happen. It may not always happen like that... but it still happens.
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    Feb 06, 2018 4:17 AM GMT
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    S2Ki saidI
    I checked AN ACTUAL SOURCE and found some very interesting facts...

    - Therapy is scientifically based on psychoanalytic treatment methods.
    - Only treat people NOT HAPPY with being gay.
    - NO coercion.
    - NO kidnappings.
    - NO beatings.
    - NO electric shocks.
    - About 1/3 develop heterosexual orientation. No desire for same sex.
    - About 1/3 develop heterosexual orientation. Occasional desire for same sex. (Bisexual?)
    - About 1/3 stay gay!

    Best treatment outcome for men who had traumatic childhoods (dysfunctional family, bullying, abuse, etc.) COMBINED with overprotective/domineering mother, plus a father unable to bond.

    Let's not speak in such clear absolutes, please.

    I'm not sure what sources you checked... and i'm not asking you to site them... but I, too have a source...

    - He WAS kidnapped.
    - He WAS drugged to make his kidnapping easier.
    - He WAS beaten.
    - He WAS starved.
    - He WAS punished with a high-pressure cold water hose.

    They called it "Prayer" and "Adjustment" and "Reformation".

    It's not all based in science and psychology... but it always seems to be rooted in fear.

    Don't tell me that it doesn't happen. It may not always happen like that... but it still happens.


    Oh, I have no doubt that happened to your husband....it’s horrible....and the people should be in jail. They were frauds, criminals, pure and simple. But that happens in every industry.

    I posted because the OP article was simplistic and biased. If a guy is not happy being gay, I won’t tell him that he can’t change it....nor would it be right to withhold information that might aid him in his quest.
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    Feb 06, 2018 5:34 AM GMT
    As soon as I read that Nicholosi was a psycho-analyst I though "Hoh boy, here we go with yet another "You're gay because you had a domineering mother!" Sure, enough I checked and he did believe that.

    It astonishes me to this day that allegedly smart people still fall for Freud's psychoanalysis BS despite endless studies and common sense contradicting its ridiculous theories. If I want mental therapy I'll stick with a trained medical doctor who's a specialist in psychiatry, AKA a psychiatrist. Sheesh.