"Savior" Applied to Jesus Is Hardly in the Gospels. Savior Is Explicitly Applied to God.

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    Jan 31, 2018 9:14 PM GMT
    Title of Post: "Savior" Applied to Jesus Is Hardly in the Gospels. Savior Is Explicitly Applied to God.

    Professor,

    “Jesus is Savior” / “Do you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior” comes from where?

    When I google, I get
    1 Timothy 1: 1 – God our Savior and Christ Jesus our hope
    Luke 1:47 – Mary says my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!

    The Synoptic Gospels do not call Jesus savior?

    Not until John 4: 42 do I get Samaritans claiming we know that this man truly is the Savior of the world. Of course the problem with that is according to history, Jesus does not speak against Pilate killing the Samaritan leader.
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    Even with the verses below, Jesus as Savior is not directly coming from the Synoptic Gospels.
    “Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” Romans 10:9
    “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
    “For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10:13
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    Jesus healed and forgave sins, etc., so in general terms, Jesus saved people from sickness and his forgiveness saved people from harsh justice.

    Thank you.

    I’m just puzzled something as central as accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior did not originate from Jesus and the 12 disciples in the gospels. Yes, Peter cried out, “Lord save me” when he started to sink in the water, but that might be too mild to develop into every Christian having to confess Jesus is my personal Savior.

    Then, “He saved others but cannot save himself” and his entry into Jerusalem, people may have cheered him on to save them.

    Before you went to Princeton, you probably were telling people, Are you saved: you cannot get to the Father but through Jesus. Let Jesus save you this way. There is no way to the Ruler of Heaven, the Father, but through Jesus.

    Your answer will probably be Jesus saw himself more as an Apocalyptic Prophet than a Savior because he couldn’t save people from an apocalypse.
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    Jan 31, 2018 10:02 PM GMT
    Professor
    Since Jesus alone brings salvation in the Christian tradition, “being saved” has a certainly sense to it (within that tradition).

    Steefen
    It is from tradition not directly from Luke where God is Savior.
    When Jesus became God, Jesus became Savior.

    Professor
    I'm not sure what you mean by counterposing "tradition" and "Luke".
    Luke is recounting tradition.
    His Gospel became tradition. See Acts 16:31.

    Steefen
    John the Baptist tried to save people from the coming wrath by offering people who wanted to repent baptism.

    At Matthew 3: 12, apparently, John the Baptist thought there was a wrath of the judgment of Jesus, one greater than himself.

    I simply searched Savior and found only Mary calling God Savior. Matthew, Mark, and Luke do not seem to stress the title Savior. Luke, not in the Gospel but in Acts, as you point out, has someone ask what must I do to be saved.

    So we have 1) saved from judgment, 2) saved to eternal life as with the young rich man asking Jesus, and 3) saved from being an unbeliever.

    The mission while Jesus was alive seems to have been a continuation of what John the Baptist was doing: getting people to have remorse for sin, then repenting and getting baptized. Don’t be a sociopath. Save yourself from being of bad character which grew into save yourself also from being an unbeliever.

    Live a good social contract, do not sin anymore and be remorseful for sin rather than having criminal depraved
    indifference like a sociopath or psychopath. John the Baptist spoke of a coming judgment, but Jesus added a penalty component when he said after the body is killed, fear the penalty of Hell.

    Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
    Matthew 10:28

    But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear the One who, after you have been killed, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him!
    Luke 12: 5

    Be saved from judgment ending in conviction and the life after death penalty of Hell. This sense of Jesus as Savior is found in the Gospels, but we do not get much repetition of that. We get more of the Jesus kingdom mission more than Jesus is Savior from criminality/law breaking/not keeping the peace for which he definitely could not have been found worthy of crucifixion.

    Counterposing tradition and the Gospel of Luke as to how we are first to see Jesus? Yes, the takeaway message from reading Luke is Jesus did not simply stay on the message of save yourself from sin, he got into a kingdom movement, being a political deliverer (Christ, anointed messiah king) not just a psychological deliverer – heart cleaner.

    The gospels lead not up to Jesus being on trial for making people better people, crystallizing Jesus as Savior, the gospels lead up to Jesus being on trial for his message of a political nature, against Temple authorities and against political authorities. But the Christian tradition is to focus not on Jesus’ failure (Son of Man movement for Kingdom arrival) but personal salvation, before and after death.