Israel orders African refugees to leave

  • Posted by a hidden member.
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    Feb 05, 2018 3:17 AM GMT
    Well jeeze Sargent Carter I'm told walls can't work in North America.. Where did Israel buy theirs?

    "Thousands of Africans crossed from Egypt into Israel before it erected a fence along the border.
    Israel calls them 'infiltrators' and says they are mostly economic migrants whose numbers threaten its Jewish character."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-refugees-africa-order-leave-country-prison-threat-a8138961.html
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    Feb 05, 2018 7:35 PM GMT
    I posted about this some weeks ago, and my thread was removed in hours.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Feb 06, 2018 6:01 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar JPhleM> blah blah blah Israel blah blah blah Jews blah blah blah

    Most African Refugees in Israel are not seeking asylum but are economic opportunists.

    Ponder the irony that they are going thousands of miles, through other countries (who have a "shoot to kill" policy) to reach the better life they yearn for in... "apartheid" Israel.

    We also see that the welfare of the refugees is beside the point (where are the threads condemning the countries killing those refugees along the way? Or condemning the refugees home country for (allegedly) killing those who are refouled? Or threads about other countries unwilling to absorb refugees?

    Why, as usual, is the microscope only focused on Israel? Because they hate Jews!). The entirety of this "all around shitty excuse of a human being" (as per Aristo/Shark/speare) is to demonize Israel using these refugees as a hammer.

    Consider the further duplicity. Illegal immigrants who have been in Israel a handful of years need to be granted citizenship there. Yet when it comes to Arab refugees and 4 generations of descendants, rather than having them absorbed into the countries in which they have lived for 70 years (and may have previously originated), where 4 generations have been born, he demands that they must be refouled (sent back to Israel. Never mind that few (10%) even want to. In this case he wants to use these refugees/descendants as a demographic army by which to over-run Israel (because "one Jewish state is too many").

    Then there's his claim that Jews are "Europeans" who don't belong in the "MidEast"... but Africans from about as far way as eastern Europe.... do?

    When it comes to haters, don't expect to find consistency in principles or logic.
    The only thing they are true to is their own depravity and hate.

    So here are the facts:

    African Refugees In Israel Face Deportation
    https://www.NPR.org/2018/01/27/581343553/african-refugees-in-israel-face-deportation

    || if they leave, they get $3,500 and a free flight to - apparently to Rwanda or Uganda.

    So already we see not only that it's not "refoulment" to their country of origin but to a 3rd country.
    If only Holocaust victims - his perverted comparison! - had that option... and were also given $3,500.
    (That's about 1.5x the per capita GDP. Equivalent to $75,000 in the USA.)

    || Israel was created as a refuge from persecution. Does that inform the way this is being talked about there? ...Yes, absolutely. There has been very outspoken opposition from groups arguing those very points.

    || Now, of course, we should say, you know, this is not Nazi Germany. This deportation plan also does not include women. It doesn't include people with children and many others. And Israel is not the only country in the world that's tried to encourage people to leave who are in the country illegally.

    I have no clue what he posted in his propaganda thread, but I'm sure it doesn't mention the above and is his usual nonsense absent any critical thinking filter. It's just raw hate, which overflows from him all over RJ. That's the only reason he's here, on what after a decade this shill thinks is a "dating app". icon_rolleyes.gif

  • beachcomber96

    Posts: 821

    Feb 06, 2018 6:21 AM GMT
    For those who aren't aware of how an entire continent treats asylum seekers, take a look.


  • beachcomber96

    Posts: 821

    Feb 06, 2018 5:51 PM GMT
    JTheM saidFinally, after ignoring the topic for a week evidently didn’t work, RJ’s resident bigot Aspergers-Retarded Leeron decides to try his luck:

    ARL> Most African Refugees in Israel are not seeking asylum but are economic opportunists

    Note that the idiot admits these are refugees (hence not “economic opportunists” - which is his slur for immigrants) and thus entitled to the full protections of the 1951 Refugee Convention.

    Proved wrong on the point of law, only his bile remains.

    ARL> Ponder the irony that they are going thousands of miles, through other countries (who have a "shoot to kill" policy) to reach the better life they yearn for in... "apartheid" Israel

    Totally twisted. No one denies that Israel is a wealthy, donor-dependent client state of the US, hence an attractive place for any indigent refugee to create a new life. The Apartheid (no need for the scare quotes) is in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, where segregated infrastructure is provided to different religious and ethnic groups. This isn’t some nebulous slogan: Israel is in flagrant violation of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid, as recapitulated here many times.

    ARL> We also see that the welfare of the refugees is beside the point (where are the threads condemning the countries killing those refugees along the way? Or condemning the refugees home country for (allegedly) killing those who are returned? Or threads about other countries unwilling to absorb refugees?

    Does anyone defend and shill for the persecuting states?
    Or the states the asylum seekers travel through (mostly dark dictatorships) that deny them refuge?

    Right, no one. Unlike the army of online losers with nothing better to do than ass-wipe for Israel...

    ARL> Consider the further duplicity. Illegal immigrants who have been in Israel a handful of years need to be granted citizenship there

    Now you’re pretending not to know the difference between an immigrant (i.e. “opportunist”...) and a refugee? Even while admitting that the term “refugee” does indeed apply?

    ARL> Yet when it comes to Arab refugees

    Right, these are also refugees (many of whom are Israeli citizens as well) that Israel expelled.
    The Refugee Convention demands that signatories not discriminate on the basis of race or religion in taking in those in need of asylum. Yet for 70 years Israel has been allowed to violate this provision.

    ARL> rather than having them absorbed into the countries in which they have lived for 70 years (and may have previously originated)

    That’s his usual pathetic denial of Palestinian ethnicity and nationalism. Eminently ignorable idiocy.

    ARL> where 4 generations have been born

    But have retained “genuine links to the land [of their origin]”, hence eligible for return.

    ARL> he demands that they must be refouled (sent back to Israel)

    Refoulement refers to the deportation of refugees to countries where they are liable to face persecution. You’re saying Israel is such a country? icon_rolleyes.gif

    ARL> Never mind that few (10%) even want to

    According to a long-discredited poll conducted over a decade ago among one group of eligible refugees, famously posing non-sequiturs as questions.

    ARL> In this case he wants to use these refugees/descendants as a demographic army by which to over-run Israel

    Quite the contrary. Like all mainstream human rights organisations I support their right to choose their own fate, which is precisely what international law proscribes. Your fear is that they will choose to abandon their hellish lives in countries that are not their home to return to Palestine, allowing the natives to one day outnumber the settlers - a major problem for a country that is not actually a “democracy” but an ETHNOCRACY concerned with racial privilege.

    Not that he cares a damn about doing right by these refugees where they live (an inhumanity he seeks to project onto me). Indeed he supports defunding the only U.N. agency that meets their nutritional, infrastructural and educational needs, upon which 80% and more are dependent for a dignified life. From “friends” like these, Palestinians would be well-advised to run a thousand miles.

    ARL> Then there's his claim that Jews are "Europeans" who don't belong in the "MidEast"... but Africans from about as far way as eastern Europe.... do?

    Another flunkie fail. The question is not of ancestral “belonging” but the RIGHTS of REFUGEES.

    Seriously, even a three-year-old could figure this shit out.

    ARL> [spams an article referring to deportation of African REFUGEES - not “immigrants” or “opportunists”]

    || if they leave, they get $3,500 and a free flight to - apparently to Rwanda or Uganda.

    ARL> So ... we see not only that it's not "refoulment" to their country of origin but to a 3rd country

    This is the problem with those ignorant of international law - they constantly require instruction.

    The definition of refoulement:

    || 1. No Contracting State shall expel or return (“refouler”) a refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, member- ship of a particular social group or political opinion.

    — Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees (Chapter 5, Article 33, Paragraph 1)

    Hence it is not limited to “return”.

    ARL> If only Holocaust victims had that option

    You mean the 200,000 or so fake ones (including your own family!) living in Israel alone?

    In the meantime we can amply confirm that the Aspergers-Retarded idiot is clueless on international law, a vile demagogue through and through, and an anti-Black racist to boot.

    Conclusion: You can’t trust a single word he says.



    You're not giving much credibility to ''political activism" as you claim you're inclined towards when you call people derogatory names, and refer to others who are simply dispensing their own opinions on matters, "the army of online losers with nothing better to do than ass-wipe for Israel".

    A lot of us have minds here that are capable of forming thoughts and weigh the evidence on both sides. So please don't categorize everybody into just one, existential mould. You never know, you and I or anybody else here might disagree on area, but agree on a lot of things. Don't alienate a potential supporter who may not be as informed on a matter as you.
    You seem like a smart guy, stick to activism without sounding like a political pundit and just keep shedding light on your issues.
  • beachcomber96

    Posts: 821

    Feb 07, 2018 2:11 AM GMT
    Covfefe saidPalestinians now asking Israeli immigrants to leave! Palestine belongs to the Palestinians.

    Israel rightful belongs to the Palestinian people. In 1948, Israelis were bunch of illegal immigrants from Europe.
    27332700_1449890615119409_28711349563057
    27655289_1451618901613247_34796659679922


    Thats very subjective.
    Here's a video with concise, unbiased history summation regarding border division and explanation of the conflict. For the benefit of
    those who don't know.

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Feb 07, 2018 9:20 AM GMT
    Beachcomber, most people on RJ ignore these trolls who are not only pathological liars but also racist Anti-semites.

    Both were banned from the system about 2 years ago (with all their old posts deleted. No great loss that garbage, but makes the threads below awkward to read).

    Now you've gotten a glimpse of their propaganda ping-pong, too.

    Just so you know what type of people you are dealing with: The AyaTrolLiar JPhleM (my contribution to this name is changing another user's creative "AyaTrollah" to "AyaTrolLiar", JPhleM was derived by a 3rd user) claimed to have me on "ignore" for maybe a year. Yet magically he would respond to maybe 5% of what I said (the parts he thought he could handle, but failing there, too). He explained that "friends" were emailing him what I said. Indeed, he "explained" his posting minutes after I did because he was getting so much RJ email that he had to login at 10-15 minute intervals just to keep up (delusions are strong with this one, who likewise pretended to have been to Gaza and to read a textbook that is only available in Hebrew, never having been translated). Not that this would explain how said "friends" could login, read what I said, email him and have him post a response within minutes of my posting (he's a clever by half flunky fool).

    Long con story short, turns out he created a sock-puppet and would constantly stalk my profile (evidently, by his report, at 10-15 minute intervals). If he actually emailed himself remains unknown. What else was there to do in his mum's basement?

    On Facebook, another immature scheme got him into more trouble. He blocked me and similarly stalked me with a sock-puppet, then responding to what I said - in a way I couldn't see it and expose his lies. When friends asked me how come I didn't rip his arguments to shreds, the scheme unraveled. He ended getting kicked out or banned from those groups. So now he evidently has nothing better to do than stalk me on RJ - which after using for nearly a decade he thought was a "dating app"!

    A 4th RJ user opined that he must be my sock puppet given that when I took several breaks from RJ, when I returned the AyaTrolLiar responded within minutes (he must have been waiting and looking for my posts, at 10-15 minute intervals, for weeks and months!). He further pointed out that his arguments were so weak, like a plant in the audience, they were designed to make me look good.

    A 5th RJ user, much wiser than me, dismissed him as "an all around shitty excuse for a human being" and paid him all the attention he deserves: none.

    He's so reviled here that when people heard about his FB fiasco... they asked me to give them a link to his profile so that they could pre-emptively block him.


    While he lied that he was a history major (his FB profile said "music history", though he now claims that's also not true), he seeks to read history backward rather than forward through time. As if events in the 1920s were informed by realities today.
    Palestinian Arabs exist today, ergo they must have existed 50, 90 and 200 years ago.
    If it were convenient, he'd argue that the pilgrims were Americans (in the modern sense).

    His warped methods start with confirmation bias (e.g. Googling for "gays spread aids" isn't going to give one the best sources), filtering out the 90% of the hits that nonetheless totally disagree with his query, then data mining the others for useful tidbits... and twisting them.

    For example, he claimed that the Hizballah death toll in Syria of 1,048 was the best available number and that it could just as well be lower as higher. The source wrote that this is the absolute minimum, that Hizbullah has a history of lying about fatalities, and that the number is likely much higher.

    Elsewhere he twisted a half sentence to mean the opposite of what the full sentence, paragraph, chapter and book say. (I own and have read the book, so immediately exposed the rat.)

    Similarly he sought to twist what a historian wrote in his book to mean the exact opposite of the book's title (which he didn't volunteer).

    Granted, he could be the "useful idiot" who gets this from bad sources. But if so you'd think he'd wise up over time rather than repeat the lies in other threads, hoping to fool those who didn't see the refutation in the prior thread.

    He frequently argues from conflicting premises (A → B and NotA → C, as if that "proves" that B and C true)

    There's also frequently a cascade of lies. SamX/Covfefe argued that "Jews started the violence in 1948". When shown wrong, he shifted to arguing that the Arabs were wronged (new lies) and thus they were right to start the violence.

    He likewise explained that A and NotA can both be true "in different contexts".

    Best to understand that their "integrity isn't to the truth (or logic) but to the cause.
    SamX/Covfefe has opined that "lying for the cause" is like a "white lie".

    He's also in the habit of vandalizing Wikipedia entries to make them more "fair".
    Like, how "fair" is it to mention that Arafat was a terrorist?
    Or that he was possibly gay?

    You'd think gay Palestinian Arabs would take pride in their hero being gay.
    Yet the gay stigma is so strong in that society that they can't tolerate the thought.
    Talk about repression and internalized homophobia, eh?


    Why does virulent Anti-Semitism play such a large role in MidEast - and Holocaust! - discussions on RJ?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4015076

    French President Macron condemns anti-Zionism as anti-Semitism
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4318921

    "Anti-Zionist" Jews, heroes of Palestinian Arab propagandists, are also ANTI-GAY
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4226022

    Intellectual dishonesty hall of shame: Freedom of opinion/press is found in Iran, not in US or UK.
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1443151
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Feb 07, 2018 9:23 AM GMT
    Look how they just hijacked this thread.
    Exposing they hate Israel/Jews more than they care about African refugees.
    Indeed, they only care about refugees or Africans who are lucky enough to end up in Israel:

    Turkish border guards are shooting at Syrian refugees, rights group says; at least 10 killed
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4355206

    Why A Gay Syrian Refugee Became A Jew And Wants To Move To Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4279594

    Palestinians receive 13x's more foreign aid than Ethiopians Per Capita
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4055556

    Simon Deng, former slave:
    "there are peoples who suffer from... anti-Israelism even more than the Israelis. I belong to one of those people."

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1933180

    Arabs Still Selling Black Men As Slaves - Just Like 1,000 Years Ago
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4340059

    Here a 6th RJer calls out the hypocrisy of their selective focus:

    Israel, Oops, I Mean Bahrain, Shoots Protester Point Blank (Video!)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1436595

    Indeed, when I posted the first thread on RJ about events in Syria, the AyaTrolLiar shrieked there was nothing to see and that I was trying to divert from the dozens of their anti-Israel threads.


    Look how they hijacked these threads, too.
    Revealing they hate Israel/Jews more than they care about gay rights and gay pride.

    Tel Aviv Pride 2018 - let's go!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4353141

    Tel Aviv Tips
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4310165

    You can see the same motif in these threads, where they lie to cover up for Hamas, claim that one can safely be out in "Palestine (oddly posted by someone who is closeted in Arizona) and never advocate for gay rights in "Palestine". There's no room for that in their agenda.

    Gay Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1061322

    Countries That Support Gays Or Kill Them
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/984797

    Why #Pinkwashing Insults Gays and Hurts Palestinians
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4054588

    For Gay Palestinians, Tel Aviv Is Mecca
    https://forward.com/opinion/1125/for-gay-palestinians-tel-aviv-is-mecca/

    Israel grants asylum to gay Palestinian Arabs - and others
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4311294

    Terrorist Hamas Founder's Gay Grandson Raped by "Palestinian" Prisoner but the Compassion Shown by Israeli Guards Changed his Life - CNN VIDEO
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221027

    Newsweek: HAMAS EXECUTES PROMINENT COMMANDER AFTER ACCUSATIONS OF GAY SEX
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4188753

    Vittorio Arrigoni murdered in Gaza by Palestinian terrorists - because he was gay?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1506698

    Israel Is A Secular, Democratic, State (Gay Friendly, Too)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3977469

    Israeli military has no problem with transgender soldiers
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4324564

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Feb 07, 2018 9:26 AM GMT
    Indeed, these "all around shitty excuse for a human being" (to quote Aristo/Shark/speare) cheer terrorism:

    17-year old Palestinian Arab terrorist, incited by PA leaders, slits throat of 13-year old American girl sleeping in her bed.
    Trolls: there are "Reasons", The Child's Bedroom Is A "War Zone", Parents Should Be Arrested For Using The Child As A "Human Shield"

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4227381

    Terrorist Palestinians Carrying Out The Tel Aviv Terror Attack
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4221160

    Palestinian Arab terrorists murder 2 Israeli Arab policemen at Temple Mount
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4318508

    Hamas declared a terrorist organisation by the European Court of Justice
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4320990

    Poll: 67% of Palestinian Arabs support murder of Israeli Jews, 25% even if attackers are little girls
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4192905

    Hamas admits it lied about Casualties
    Yet some RJers still attempt to spam & perpetuate those propaganda lies-for-the-cause?!

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1217613

    Lebanon 101: Why Hezbollah hates the Hariri tribunal (UN STL).
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1331632


    Repeatedly they prove they hate Israel/Jews more than they care for Gazans:
    (Or Lebanese. Or Syrians. Or Ethiopians. Or slaves. Or refugees. Or....)

    Gaza uses water as political weapon, to detriment of its own people
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4316294

    Amnesty International: Rocket and mortar attacks by Palestinian armed groups is unlawful and deadly
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4030802

    Hamas war crime: using Gazans as human shields
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1736068

    Amnesty: Palestinian rockets killed more Gazans in 2014 war
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinian-rockets-killed-gaza-civilians-during-war-amnesty-094310033.html?ref=gs

    Free Gaza from what truly afflicts it: Hamas
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/973888

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Feb 07, 2018 9:31 AM GMT
    When it comes to issues, trolls can never address a topic in its thread.
    Where their propaganda lies have already been dispensed.
    Thus they repeat their lies everywhere else.
    In this thread, in threads about the Olympics or even Hummus.
    Always trying to prey on people falling for their oft-repeated lies.

    "Palestine" is the Greek/Latin-European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland - and early 20th century Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

    Promises, Promises: The McMahon Correspondence
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4284722

    The Palestine Paradox
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2652202

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691

    PALESTINIANS ATTACK CAR OF GREEK PATRIARCH IN PROTEST AGAINST LAND DEALS
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4350541

    Paris peace conference agrees on two-state solution in Mideast. Via direct negotiations and without pre-determining future borders
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4277900

    Questions For One-Staters (but, no surprise, no answers)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2530572

    If you were a bona fide victim of "apartheid", "ethnic cleansing", "land theft", "starvation", "massacres" let alone "genocide", would you reject out-of-hand a compromise that only gave you 99.5%?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4180210

    Future Palestinian Arab Leadership - can they lead their people to peace? Or just enrich themselves?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/887747

    Yalla, Peace!
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1285693

    Jewish Villages ["Settlements"] in Judea & Samaria are NOT "illegal" and NOT an Impediment to Peace
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4255395

    Jerusalem (History, including old photos)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/887747

    Jerusalem was NEVER an Arab Capital, not even of Jund Filastin ~1,000 years ago, a military district of foreign Arab empires that occupied Israel (Spain was occupied for longer, and more recently)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4222798


    This is what they are trying to over-turn:

    Gallup: Israel Maintains Positive Image in U.S.: 71% (61% amongst Democrats, 70% independents).
    76% (70% Democarats) agree "Israel is an important ally to the United States"

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4291625

    Absent PA/PLO Recognition Of Israel (Or Renunciation Of Terrorism) Only 5% Of Americans Support PA State, 79% Oppose
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1831729

    Israel, China announce NIS 260 million academic cooperation including joint Israeli-Chinese study institutes & student exchange program
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4206792

    How a pro-Palestinian American Reporter Changed his Views on Israel and the Conflict
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4326485

    Incredible story: How & Why a Muslim Palestinian Arab became a pro-Israel Activist [and he's adorably cute!]
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4329245


    It becomes pretty clear that these racist, hatist, war-mongers don't want peace WITH Israel, but its isolation, surrender and destruction: "peace" withOUT Israel. They thus argue against peace now, hoping instead for "total victory" later.

    AyaTrolLiar JPhleM> One Jewish state is too many
    AyaTrolLiar JPhleM> Jews need to be punished before there is peace

    When another user said that "Jews have it coming", "Jews are international troublemakers" and "Jews need to learn a hard lesson"... the AyaTrolLiar defended him.

    SamX/Covfefe*> Jews have to get out and go back to Europe
    * Via several of his many sock-puppets while he pretends to be ostensibly more moderate.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Feb 07, 2018 9:57 AM GMT
    So now we have all those links if anyone wants to re-open discussion on any of those points.
    Thus let's get back to this thread!
    But recall: trolls can never discuss a topic in its thread, where their spam propaganda lies were already exposed.
    Look for them to persist with the nonsense here.


    Most African "Refugees" in Israel are not seeking asylum but are economic opportunists.

    AyaTrolLiar> admits these are refugees (hence not “economic opportunists” - which is his slur for immigrants) and thus entitled to the full protections of the 1951 Refugee Convention.

    To try and help the clever-by-half flunky, I added quotation marks.
    Maybe now he can actually try to formulate a real argument.


    Ponder the irony that they are going thousands of miles, through other countries (who have a "shoot to kill" policy) to reach the better life they yearn for in... "apartheid" Israel.

    AyaTrolLiar> No one denies that Israel is a wealthy, donor-dependent client state of the US

    LOL. Because US aid amounts to what, 2% of GDP?

    Even if they fled their country of origin because they are in danger, they could have found safety in the first, second or third country they went to. Instead they keep going... to a "wealthy" country. Not for safety but for economic opportunity.


    AyaTrolLiar> The Apartheid (no need for the scare quotes) is in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, where segregated infrastructure is provided to different religious and ethnic groups.

    How odd that when SamX/Covfefe and his sock puppets (and perhaps one other legit person) claimed that Israel itself was an Apartheid state... the AyaTrolLiar never bothered to correct them. To the contrary, if he wasn't himself saying that, he was taking issue with me arguing against it.

    There is no comparison between the disputed territories (an issue of a border dispute over a few square miles) to "Apartheid". For starters, international law prevents Israel from applying its civilian law in these territories. Furthermore, 98% of the Palestinian Arabs living in Trans/Jordan's former so-called "West Bank' and in Hamas' Gaza live not under israeli law but the rule of the Palestinian Authority or Hamas.

    Did you see what he skipped?

    they are going thousands of miles, through other countries (who have a "shoot to kill policy")

    AyaTrolLiar> [Gone!]


    We also see that the welfare of the refugees is beside the point (where are the threads condemning the countries killing those refugees along the way? Or condemning the refugees home country for (allegedly) killing those who are refouled? Or threads about other countries unwilling to absorb refugees?

    AyaTrolLiar> Does anyone defend and shill for the persecuting states?
    Or the states the asylum seekers travel through (mostly dark dictatorships) that deny them refuge?

    ROTFL. It's as if the point sailed over his head.
    Countries should only be condemned if someone is "shil[ling] for them"?

    Think about that reversal of cause & effect.
    Israel is being defended because it - unlike other countries - is being selectively attacked (because they hate Jews).


    Why, as usual, is the microscope only focused on Israel? Because they hate Jews!). The entirety of this "all around shitty excuse of a human being" (as per Aristo/Shark/speare) is to demonize Israel using these refugees as a hammer.

    AyaTrolLiar> [Crawled back under his rock]


    Consider the further duplicity. Illegal immigrants who have been in Israel a handful of years need to be granted citizenship there. Yet when it comes to Arab refugees and 4 generations of descendants, rather than having them absorbed into the countries in which they have lived for 70 years (and may have previously originated), where 4 generations have been born, he demands that they must be refouled (sent back to Israel). Never mind that few (10%) even want to. In this case he wants to use these refugees/descendants as a demographic army by which to over-run Israel (because "one Jewish state is too many").

    AyaTrolLiar> these [Arabs] are also refugees (many of whom are Israeli citizens as well) that Israel expelled.

    None of them are Israeli citizens - else they wouldn't be refugees.
    The majority fled the Arab-initiated war of 1948 without ever seeing a Jewish/Israeli soldier to "expel" them.

    The population is mostly descendants of the refugees (not normally recognized as refugees themselves).

    So to return to the point: why is it that 4th generation descendants of Arab refugees in Lebanon shouldn't be granted Lebanese citizenship (let alone why their ancestors weren't 60-some years ago)?

    Indeed, he then forgets the point completely as like a bot he activates his spam propaganda talking points:

    AyaTrolLiar> denial of Palestinian ethnicity and nationalism

    The fact of the matter is that the threshold for an ARAB refugee in 1949 (not yet then known as a "Palestinian refugee") was residence in Mandate Palestine for a minimum of a mere 2 years. Argued down from 10 by the Arab Leauge, so that scores of thousands would qualify for international assistance.

    What this means is that if an Arab came from Lebanon to Mandate Palestine in 1945, he was an Arab refugee and he and his descendents became "Palestinian". But if his brother joined him in 1947... he didn't qualify as a refugee and wasn't thrown into a camp. He went back to being Lebanese, as are his descendents.

    Indeed, the AyaTrolLiar himself has stated that 100,000 to 200,000 of the Palestinian Arabs were recent immigrants.

    Longer term, we've seen that there was migration. The Bedouins didn't arrive until the 18th century (and weren't commonly considered "Palestinians" until the 1990s). Scientists note the commonality of genetic diseases among clans in Jordan and Israel. The 1911 Britannica describes a large number of Egyptians (who arrived in the 1830s) and hadn't yet been integrated... but 37 years later they had no Egyptian heritage?

    Now they claim that the Armenians are also "Palestinians" (guess it's no longer an "ethnicity descended from Canaanites, no Philistines, I mean early Christians and Jews"). Many if not most of them didn't arrive until after 1915, refugees from the Armenian Genocide in Turkey.)

    In fact, all of northern Israel was part of the Vilayet of Lebanon until the end of WW I. There was no border between Beirut and Acre, Haifa, Nazareth, Safed, Beit Shean, Jenin and Tiberias. It was only the establishment of a border (drawn by European powers) that made them (Mandate) Palestinians in 1923. Ponder that not a single Palestinian or Lebanese ended up on the "wrong" side of that border (allegedly meant to "divide and conquer", but the division was perfect?). Yet 25 years later they had no connection whatsoever to Lebanon?!

    AyaTrolLiar> have retained “genuine links to the land [of their origin]”, hence eligible for return.

    See? Rather than argue that these refugees - going on 70 years later - and their descendants should be citizens in the country where they - and parents, grandparents and great-grandparents - were born, that they should have the freedom of relocation (out of camps), education, work and citizenship - guaranteed by that convention! - is lost on him.

    All he can see is a potential demographic army to "return" to Israel and over-run it.

    AyaTrolLiar> Refoulement refers to the deportation of refugees to countries where they are liable to face persecution. You’re saying Israel is such a country?

    LOL. The refugees/descendants themselves consider it an "enemy" country.
    And the trolls have told us how bad Arab life is there, you know, "apartheid".
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Feb 07, 2018 9:58 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> According to a long-discredited poll conducted over a decade ago

    It was the most comprehensive poll, by ivy-league trained academics. While it may be dated, it still is the best data available and there's no reason to believe perceptions have changed with the passage of time.

    Note further that propagandists like him made the exact same points when the poll was fresh.

    So another instance of him not going to let inconvenient facts get in his way.

    AyaTrolLiar> Your fear is that they will choose to abandon their hellish lives

    See? This is precisely why he doesn't argue to make their lives better in the present (or any time in the last 70 years). He needs their lives to be "hellish", otherwise his demographic army would evaporate.

    How many more generations will he condemn to live "hellish lives" to be his pawns?!


    Then there's his claim that Jews are "Europeans" who don't "belong" in the "MidEast"
    ... but Africans from about as far way as eastern Europe.... do?


    AyaTrolLiar> The question is not of ancestral “belonging” but the RIGHTS of REFUGEES.

    He's made the continentalist argument of "ancestral 'belonging'" to keep Jewish refugees (guess they have no rights) - who he terms "Europeans of Jewish faith"! - out of "Arab lands".

    In other words, Jewish refugees from Europe - and from the Mideast - have no "right of refugees" in the ancient Jewish homeland.
    Only African refugees do?!


    When it comes to haters, don't expect to find consistency in principles or logic.
    The only thing they are true to is their own depravity and hate.


    AyaTrolLiar> [confirms it!]



    || if they leave, they get $3,500 and a free flight to - apparently to Rwanda or Uganda.

    (That's about 1.5x the per capita GDP. Equivalent to $75,000 in the USA.)

    So already we see not only that it's not "refoulment" to their country of origin but to a 3rd country.


    AyaTrolLiar> "where his life or freedom would be threatened"

    ROTFL. He provides no evidence that their lives would be endangered in Rwanda or Uganda.


    If only Holocaust victims - his perverted comparison! - had that option... and were also given $3,500.

    AyaTrolLiar> the 200,000 or so fake ones (including your own family!) living in Israel alone?

    Go figure. He just can't help being the "all around shitty excuse of a human being".


    || Israel was created as a refuge from persecution. Does that inform the way this is being talked about there? ...Yes, absolutely. There has been very outspoken opposition from groups arguing those very points.

    || Now, of course, we should say, you know, this is not Nazi Germany. This deportation plan also does not include women. It doesn't include people with children and many others. And Israel is not the only country in the world that's tried to encourage people to leave who are in the country illegally.

    I have no clue what he posted in his propaganda thread, but I'm sure it doesn't mention the above and is his usual nonsense absent any critical thinking filter. It's just raw hate, which overflows from him all over RJ. That's the only reason he's here, on what after a decade this shill thinks is a "dating app".
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    AyaTrolLiar> [Nada]
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Feb 12, 2018 8:15 AM GMT
    Having been banned a 3rd time, the AyaTrolLiar is now reposting his spam propaganda threads anew via the Covfefe profile.

    Obviously there is a reason he can't come here to debate.
    I'm guessing no one else read his nonsense, but if there are any questions i'm happy to address them here.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 01, 2018 7:46 AM GMT
    An insight into a mentally sick mind: Every time I post in my thread which covers Holocaust Remembrance Day, current day Anti-semitism and Poland's right-wing government's denial bill, the AyaTrolLiar counter-updates (within an hour or two, 24/7 - an improvement from the days he boasted he would stalk my posts at 10-15 minute intervals all through the day) his spam propaganda thread seeking to juxtapose Israel's plans to deport illegal immigrants to a 3rd country with... the Holocaust!

    AyaTrolLiar> Israel Refouls African Refugees In “Globally Unprecedented Deportation Operation” (Sending Many Of Them Back To Their Deaths) And Asks That We “Not Forget” The Lessons Of The Holocaust

    I have not read his alternate thread (the "chickenshit" pussy dares not post here), but will address what he thinks is so riveting that he put it in the header (because he knows no one else will read his thread):

    AyaTrolLiar> refouls

    That's returning to the country of origin. Which has NOT happened and is not being discussed.


    AyaTrolLiar> Sending Many Of Them Back To Their Deaths

    How many have died as a result?
    Millions? No.
    Thousands? No.
    Hundreds? No.
    Dozens? No.
    A handful? No.
    1? No.

    As we've seen here and elsewhere, this sick child's concern isn't with the refugees.
    Otherwise he'd voice concern for their brethren still trapped in Sudan and Eritrea.
    He'd be concerned for those in countries other than Israel.
    Countries which shoot-to-kill them illegally crossing their borders.

    Ponder than in a decade shilling on RJ, he's spent hours/day seeking to demonize Jews and Israel. Yet never a posting about Darfur (another instance of Arab racism against black Africans*). My original post about Syria - when the Assad regime he supports was gunning down peaceful protesters - he claimed was a "diversion" from the dozen of anti-Israel postings of his at the time. Because he is consumed with Jews and thus with Israel.

    At the very least you'd think, unless it was all about Jews/Israel on his brain, he'd post something here:

    Turkish border guards are shooting at Syrian refugees, rights group says; at least 10 killed
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4355206

    Nope!


    Given his lip service to liberal causes and against right wing governments, you'd think he'd be the first in line to condemn the current Polish Holocaust Denial bill. But that would put him on the same side of the issue as me, Jews and Israel. Anathema!


    * See also:

    Arabs Still Selling Black Men As Slaves - Just Like 1,000 Years Ago
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4340059

    Simon Deng, Former Slave: "There Are Peoples Who Suffer From... Anti-Israelism Even More Than The Israelis. I Belong To One Of Those People."
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1933180

    Palestinians receive 13x's more foreign aid than Ethiopians Per Capita
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4055556

    Why Has The West Been So Supportive Of Palestinian Nationalism, Yet So Reluctant To Support The Kurds, The Largest Nation In The World Without A State
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4240252

    Israel, oops, I mean Bahrain, shoots protester point blank (video!)
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1436595

    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon admits UN's Anti-Israel bias
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4271911
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 02, 2018 9:42 PM GMT
    Every time I post in my thread which covers Holocaust Remembrance Day, current day Anti-semitism and Poland's right-wing government's denial bill...

    Given his lip service to liberal causes and against right wing governments, you'd think he'd be the first in line to condemn the current Polish Holocaust Denial bill. But that would put him on the same side of the issue as me, Jews and Israel. Anathema!


    AyaTrolLiar> Not sure what he has against “right-wing governments” (the one in Israel is incomparably worse than the one in Poland)

    If it doesn't have to do with hating on Israel, our resident Jew-hater can't be bothered.


    the AyaTrolLiar counter-updates (within an hour or two, 24/7 - an improvement from the days he boasted he would stalk my posts at 10-15 minute intervals all through the day) his spam propaganda thread seeking to juxtapose Israel's plans to deport illegal immigrants to a 3rd country with... the Holocaust!

    AyaTrolLiar> no such comparison was implied

    Oh? Then why does he bump his thread each time after I post in the Holocaust thread?
    What a sick pervert.

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 02, 2018 9:50 PM GMT
    Refouls: That's returning to the country of origin. Which has NOT happened and is not being discussed.

    AyaTrolLiar> to countries where they are liable to face persecution.

    The flunky takes me to task on a minor technicality (refoulment isn't limited to the originating country but any territory where they would be in grave danger) but as usual, the clever-by-half idiot misses the forest for the tree.

    || frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened

    Notice what he forgot to provide? Any evidence whatsoever that they would face persecution in those countries which are willing to take them in.

    Let me add that Article 33 was drafted by an Ultra-Orthodox Rabbi. It's inclusion in the treaty (and perhaps maintaining the plenipotentiaries convention) can be in part attributed to the skill of the Israeli representative in melding a common position.

    Note that recently the British House of Lords, as well as the US Supreme Court and Australian High Court, rejected the extraterritorial reach at sea of Article 33. But you won't find the AyaTrolLiar caring (let alone knowing) about this because he doesn't hate those countries. He hates Jews and Israel and selectively and uniquely, right or wrong, pursues them. He is fueled not by knowledge or the highfalutin faux principles of convenience he momentarily embraces, but by the dark side, the power of hate.

    Furthermore there are precedents. Australia, for example, negotiated with 3rd party countries and redirected refugees to them.


    AyaTrolLiar> Sending Many Of Them Back To Their Deaths

    How many have died as a result?
    Millions? No.
    Thousands? No.
    Hundreds? No.
    Dozens? No.
    A handful? No.
    1? No.


    AyaTrolLiar> Only a small number of the 40,000 refugees have so far been refouled

    Small? 4,000 just last year.
    And none of these have been harmed. Hmmm.

    Ponder again the bigger picture. Hundreds of thousands of Darfuris have been murdered, millions remain at risk, and the only ones he cares about are a few thousand who made their way illegally to "wealthy" Israel (rather than seeking asylum in Egypt).

    Again we see that the motive isn't to protect the people, refugees or not, but to attack and hate on Israel/Jews.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 02, 2018 9:52 PM GMT
    As we've seen here and elsewhere, this sick child's concern isn't with the refugees.
    Otherwise he'd voice concern for their brethren still trapped in Sudan and Eritrea.
    He'd be concerned for those in countries other than Israel.
    Countries which shoot-to-kill them illegally crossing their borders.


    AyaTrolLiar> [still nothing]


    Ponder that in a decade shilling on RJ, he's spent hours/day seeking to demonize Jews and Israel. Yet never a posting about Darfur (another instance of Arab racism against black Africans*). My original post about Syria - when the Assad regime he supports was gunning down peaceful protesters - he claimed was a "diversion" from the dozen of anti-Israel postings of his at the time. Because he is consumed with Jews and thus with Israel.

    AyaTrolLiar> [couldn't care less]


    At the very least you'd think, unless it was all about Jews/Israel on his brain, he'd post something here: Turkish border guards are shooting at Syrian refugees, rights group says at least 10 killed.

    Nope, the sicko can't even bother to pretend to care for refugees. He's too busy attacking Israel/Jews....

  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 02, 2018 9:56 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> you and all those illegal Jews who entered someone else’s country in the mid-20th Century

    Oh, those Jews!

    Never mind that the Palestine Mandate wasn't someone else's country but the Jewish state-to-be. Mandates being vehicles for states (not Banutstans) and all of western Mandate Palestine designated for Jewish self-determination, including the right to immigration.

    But the perversity grows:

    AyaTrolLiar> and for good or bad, were NOT deported (even though post-war Europe - the very place from whence they came! - was and remains by far the safest place in the world).

    Yeah, because only 6 million of them were just methodically murdered in Europe.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 02, 2018 10:05 PM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> devotes whole threads to the outrage of an Israeli singer accosted at a Russian airport for being gay, or a couple [lesbian] women ejected from a [dyke] march allegedly because of a flag, yet protests there’s no place for the proposed expulsion (in violation of international law!) of 40,000 Black Africans to torture and death in alien countries?

    I think the shill has again forgotten that this is a gay site where it is appropriate to focus on such items (indeed, the 2 threads about the Jews ejected from the Chicago Dyke March were started by others (metta & nyjock)!

    He also thought a thread about Tel Aviv Pride was out-of-place on RJ!
    (Added lulz: he called this a "dating site".)


  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 02, 2018 10:33 PM GMT
    So much about Article 33 (non-refoulment), yet for a decade he has been ignoring Article 34? It calls on host countries to naturalize (grant citizenship) to refugees living within their borders (the exact opposite of a so-called "right of return" he pretends is enshrined for a few hundred thousand Arab refugees and their millions of descendants, but not to scores of millions of other refugees - not including their descendants! - from the 1940s alone).

    Along with other articles that provide them the right to education, work and relocation (out of “camps”). Rights which have been denied to the Arab refugees from Mandate Palestine for over 70 years. Not by Israel, but by the Arab countries who herded them into camps and threw away the key.

    Indeed, the Convention does not make refugee status hereditary. Those born in the host country (let alone, now, to parents, grandparents and great-grandparents born there) should be citizens.

    Why isn’t the AyaTrolLiar now interested in fighting for the rights of these refugees (and descendants)? Because once again the “all around shitty excuse for a human being” (as per Aristo/Shark/speare) couldn’t care less about refugees. His concern here is to use them as a demographic army by which to over-run and destroy Israel. Heaven forbid they should be integrated into Lebanon or other Arab countries. How many more generations will he condemn to suffer so in order to pursue his hate - at their expense?

    So you see the warped methodology? He dredges out a convention to misapply one article from it to condemn Israel, while ignoring the rest of the convention and what it stands for (which overall is "inconvenient").
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 04, 2018 6:12 AM GMT

    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Looks the AyaTrolLiar was again booted, for the 5th time +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


    AyaTrolLiar> I have some opposition to him talking about the Holocaust

    Of course he does. icon_rolleyes.gif


    AyaTrolLiar> He’d rather spend his time emoting about crimes committed 70 years ago, and those who deny them, than....

    It is not an either-or proposition and exactly puts the shoe on the wrong foot.
    The ONLY thing he ever wants to discuss is anything that pertains to Israel/Jews.

    Why only a concern for tens of thousands of Darfurians and Eritreans who have entered Israel illegally rather than for millions of them back in Sudan? Let alone the hundreds of thousands who have already been slaughtered there? Not 70 years ago, but during the time he was on RJ... repeatedly and only assailing Israel and Jews?

    Threads about slavery in Mauritania? He couldn't care less - and actually runs interference for the perpetrators.

    It's pretty damn clear that he hates Jews/Israel more than he cares for Africans.
    And he thinks that makes him a "liberal" rather than a racist hater?

    Two further parallels:

    He never tires of speaking of Israeli "crimes" 70 years ago as more relevant than any and all current issues in the entire world.

    When Palestinian Arabs are slaughtered by Lebanese or Syrians... he couldn't care less.
    He hates Jews/Israel more than he cares for the Palestinian Arabs, too.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 04, 2018 6:14 AM GMT
    takes me to task on a minor technicality (refoulment isn't limited to the originating country but any territory where they would be in grave danger

    AyaTrolLiar> [toots his own puny horn]

    The point was that these Africans are NOT being "refouled".
    Not that refoulment is limited to a specific territory.


    Notice what he forgot to provide? Any evidence whatsoever that they would face persecution in those countries which are willing to take them in

    AyaTrolLiar> there’s no threat to one’s “life or freedom” in a country that murders gays people

    Not that he's ever voiced concern about Uganda murdering gays, but now to attack Israel he finds it convenient?

    Obviously sending gay people to Uganda would be outrageous.
    If any of the Africans came out they would likely gain amnesty in Israel.

    Israel grants asylum to gay Palestinian Arabs - and others
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/4311294

    Note how weak and crazy his reverse confabulated argument is.
    Uganda is suddenly a dangerous country for Africans, despite 42 million living there?
    What then is he doing for those 42 million that he focuses only on a few thousand?

    What crazy nonsense will he conjure about Rwanda?
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 04, 2018 6:20 AM GMT
    Article 33 was drafted by an Ultra-Orthodox Rabbi. It's inclusion in the treaty (and perhaps maintaining the plenipotentiaries convention) can be in part attributed to the skill of the Israeli representative in melding a common position.

    AyaTrolLiar> diversions

    Revealing that it must hurt the AyaTrolLiar to give credit where due to Jews/Israel.
    In such an important clause in such an important treaty.


    Note that recently the British House of Lords, as well as the US Supreme Court and Australian High Court, rejected the extraterritorial reach at sea of Article 33. But you won't find the AyaTrolLiar caring (let alone knowing) about this because he doesn't hate those countries. He hates Jews and Israel and selectively and uniquely, right or wrong, pursues them. He is fueled not by knowledge or the highfalutin faux principles of convenience he momentarily embraces, but by the dark side, the power of hate.

    AyaTrolLiar> diversion

    Hardly. It shows that the AyaTrolLiar doesn't care about refugees or refugee law, but about selectively using it to repeatedly bash only Israel.


    precedents. Australia, for example, negotiated with 3rd party countries and redirected refugees to them.

    AyaTrolLiar> You mean to say legal precedents whereby countries no longer have to abide by the Refugee Convention? Surely that can’t be the case, as an earlier “principle”-of-convenience you waved was “Treaty Law”.

    What a lunatic. The point is that a country can redirect refugees to other countries.
    That does NOT violate the refoulment clause in the treaty.


    Hundreds of thousands of Darfuris have been murdered, millions remain at risk, and the only ones he cares about are a few thousand who made their way illegally to "wealthy" Israel.

    AyaTrolLiar> “Look over there!”

    ROTFL. What an imbecile. It's all connected. But the ONLY part of the issue that he cares for - as always - is anything useful to demonize Israel/Jews.

    AyaTrolLiar> wants to talk about the governments of Sudan and Egypt, which no one here apologises for

    Reversal of cause/effect. The only reason someone here defends the Israeli policy is because he attacked it.
    Question: why - in 10 years - has he been completely silent about Darfur?
    Maybe some member would defend the Arab Janjaweed as he defends the Assad regime, Hizbullah and Hamas terrorists?

    It's still crazy. No one defends Uganda's murder of gays... yet he had no problem bringing that up above (even if for all the wrong reasons).


    Again we see that the motive isn't to protect the people, refugees or not, but to attack and hate on Israel/Jews.

    AyaTrolLiar> those who restrict themselves to condemning the Assad government and Palestinian “terror” attacks, but say nothing about GENOCIDE in the Congo are self-confessed phonies.

    Man is he dumb. Can you imagine that someone would constantly raise how a few thousand Congolese are allegedly mistreated in Europe while repeatedly saying nothing about the genocide in Congo itself?!


    AyaTrolLiar> the vile Saudi head-choppers

    Yet it is his heroes, Hamas in Gaza and the Iranian regime in Tehran that execute more people (per capita) than the "vile Saudi head-choppers". With never a whimper of protest from the AyaTrolLiar, who to the contrary has supported extra-judicial executions in Gaza.
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 04, 2018 6:22 AM GMT
    My original post about Syria - when the Assad regime he supports was gunning down peaceful protesters - he claimed was a "diversion" from the dozen of anti-Israel postings of his at the time

    AyaTrolLiar> ROTFL.

    Let's see. He supports Hizbullah supporting Assad, but he doesn't support Assad?
    He's even explained to us why it is important to support Assad.
    Against ISIS, which is more barbaric and cruel, yet much less efficient at murdering innocent civilians;
    depending how one counts, between 75-90% of civilians in the Syrian civil war were killed by Assad and his allies.

    Again, in that first thread about Syria he was at minimum running interference for Assad if not outright supporting him.
    He said Assad, like Qaddafi, would restore order quite quickly and there is nothing to see, there will be no story.

    Later he changed his story and claimed that the original revolution was good, but then it was hijacked.
    Though he couldn't explain why his Hizbullah heroes didn't originally support the good revolution.


    The sicko can't even bother to pretend to care for refugees. He's too busy attacking Israel/Jews

    AyaTrolLiar> [gone!]
  • mwolverine

    Posts: 5733

    Mar 04, 2018 6:23 AM GMT
    AyaTrolLiar> the News & Politics forum provides an opportunity to discuss all current events.

    Of course, but he's the one who just complained that a thread about a gay performer accosted in Russia isn't RJ-worthy... because the entertainer is an Israeli Jew.

    Likewise he thinks I shouldn't post on RJ threads about Jewish lesbians thrown out of marches - ignoring that the two threads about this were started by other RJers (metta and nyjock).

    And he further thought that my thread about Tel Aviv Pride should be reported as spam!