The Michigan town where only Christians are allowed to buy houses

  • metta

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    Feb 10, 2018 7:57 AM GMT
    The Michigan town where only Christians are allowed to buy houses

    "The Christian exclusionary component was introduced in the 1940s. This was a time of heightened racial anxiety and antisemitism in the US, with swaths of Jewish refugees denied asylum from Europe – an act supported by a majority of the American public.

    The Christian-only clause was introduced together with a white-only clause, which the association eliminated the following decade. Catholics were given a 10% quota, which was eventually dropped. Over the years, however, the Christian-only requirement was, if anything, reinforced."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/09/christians-only-town-bay-view-michigan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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    Feb 10, 2018 1:02 PM GMT
    The Republicans on the US Supreme Court, especially the last one nominated by Trump, will support this discrimination.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 10, 2018 1:55 PM GMT
    Well this town is violating state and federal laws with these horrendous exclusionary policies. I am very surprised that they have gotten away with this unlawful behavior for this long.
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    Feb 10, 2018 2:58 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Well this town is violating state and federal laws with these horrendous exclusionary policies. I am very surprised that they have gotten away with this unlawful behavior for this long.

    The town will base their discrimination defense on long-standing "deeply held religious beliefs". Which Federal courts are increasingly allowing to override the US Constitution. Provided they're mainstream Christian religious beliefs, of course.
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    Feb 10, 2018 3:10 PM GMT
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    art_deco said
    roadbikeRob said
    Well this town is violating state and federal laws with these horrendous exclusionary policies. I am very surprised that they have gotten away with this unlawful behavior for this long.

    The town will base their discrimination defense on long-standing "deeply held religious beliefs". Which Federal courts are increasingly allowing to override the US Constitution. Provided they're mainstream Christian religious beliefs, of course.
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    Feb 10, 2018 3:32 PM GMT
    art_deco saidThe Republicans on the US Supreme Court, especially the last one nominated by Trump, will support this discrimination.


    Michigan could change state law if it has a problem with what is going on there.

    Almost 52 percent of Bay View Association members voted in 2013 to drop the religious requirement. But two-third of those voting needed to support the change, so the religious test stayed in place. The proposal to change the religious requirement was also voted on in 2011, but failed to get passed.

    “Bay View is a private, voluntary membership, organization. If, in fact, this group is comprised of members, it is unfortunate that they would first not identify themselves so that we could sit down and discuss their concerns,” Spencer wrote. “Our organization believes in working through disagreements concerning our bylaws outside of the court system.”

    https://www.petoskeynews.com/news/local/prejudice-lawsuit-claims-bay-view-religious-requirement-is-discriminatory/article_2d861dcc-c55f-5c85-a164-0225371e4a05.html

    On the other hand Michigan is a very big place. So...


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    Feb 10, 2018 4:02 PM GMT
    Muskelprotz said
    art_deco saidThe Republicans on the US Supreme Court, especially the last one nominated by Trump, will support this discrimination.

    Michigan could change state law if it has a problem with what is going on there.

    Almost 52 percent of Bay View Association members voted in 2013 to drop the religious requirement. But two-third of those voting needed to support the change, so the religious test stayed in place. The proposal to change the religious requirement was also voted on in 2011, but failed to get passed.

    “Bay View is a private, voluntary membership, organization. If, in fact, this group is comprised of members, it is unfortunate that they would first not identify themselves so that we could sit down and discuss their concerns,” Spencer wrote. “Our organization believes in working through disagreements concerning our bylaws outside of the court system.”

    https://www.petoskeynews.com/news/local/prejudice-lawsuit-claims-bay-view-religious-requirement-is-discriminatory/article_2d861dcc-c55f-5c85-a164-0225371e4a05.html

    On the other hand Michigan is a very big place. So...

    A nice racist smokescreen. But the article, which you either didn't read, or ignored, addresses some of that argument.

    Bay View functions as a legislating and law enforcing government, not strictly a private club. Second, homeowners apply for Federal housing loans, which do bring these policies under Federal law & jurisdiction. One is not granted a Federal loan to pay for a private golf club membership.
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    Feb 10, 2018 4:08 PM GMT
    Muskelprotz said
    art_deco saidThe Republicans on the US Supreme Court, especially the last one nominated by Trump, will support this discrimination.


    Michigan could change state law if it has a problem with what is going on there.

    Almost 52 percent of Bay View Association members voted in 2013 to drop the religious requirement. But two-third of those voting needed to support the change, so the religious test stayed in place. The proposal to change the religious requirement was also voted on in 2011, but failed to get passed.

    “Bay View is a private, voluntary membership, organization. If, in fact, this group is comprised of members, it is unfortunate that they would first not identify themselves so that we could sit down and discuss their concerns,” Spencer wrote. “Our organization believes in working through disagreements concerning our bylaws outside of the court system.”

    https://www.petoskeynews.com/news/local/prejudice-lawsuit-claims-bay-view-religious-requirement-is-discriminatory/article_2d861dcc-c55f-5c85-a164-0225371e4a05.html

    On the other hand Michigan is a very big place. So...


    The Michigan state legislature could also threaten to politically dissolve this town and invalidate its town charter if this community refuses to repeal the religious requirement. After all the state is supreme.
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    Feb 10, 2018 4:51 PM GMT
    Michigan could change but I don't think it will.

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    Feb 10, 2018 8:49 PM GMT
    I can actually understand why somebody wants to do it. I think they have a losing battle on their hand and they should just buy house next to one another so that they can create their own "village" without having to resort to the ugliness of exclusionary politics.
  • northbeach

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    Feb 10, 2018 8:52 PM GMT
    lol @ the resident russian troll. Defend the indefensible, and if it really can't be defended, say it can't change.
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    Feb 10, 2018 9:11 PM GMT
    Liberals, clean up your own backyard. How many Christians or Gays can get property or an apartment in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

    What about the Shomrim Jewish police in Crown Heights and Williamsburg:

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/18/nyregion/brooklyns-private-jewish-patrols-wield-power-some-call-them-bullies.html
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    Feb 11, 2018 4:21 PM GMT
    ricky1987 saidI can actually understand why somebody wants to do it. I think they have a losing battle on their hand and they should just buy house next to one another so that they can create their own "village" without having to resort to the ugliness of exclusionary politics.


    Yes leave them alone. They aren't bothering anyone.
    People can set up their own unincorporated resort down the road a few miles.
  • splooje

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    Feb 11, 2018 5:54 PM GMT
    northbeach saidlol @ the resident russian troll. Defend the indefensible, and if it really can't be defended, say it can't change.


    Next up: gays banned from public school district in Kentucky

    Muskelprotz: oh they can travel to another county for school
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    Feb 11, 2018 7:18 PM GMT
    Under past US Supreme court rulings, this practice is clearly unconstitutional today.

    But under the new court with Goresuch, who knows how they will rule?
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    Feb 12, 2018 3:07 AM GMT
    art_deco said
    Muskelprotz said
    art_deco saidThe Republicans on the US Supreme Court, especially the last one nominated by Trump, will support this discrimination.

    Michigan could change state law if it has a problem with what is going on there.

    Almost 52 percent of Bay View Association members voted in 2013 to drop the religious requirement. But two-third of those voting needed to support the change, so the religious test stayed in place. The proposal to change the religious requirement was also voted on in 2011, but failed to get passed.

    “Bay View is a private, voluntary membership, organization. If, in fact, this group is comprised of members, it is unfortunate that they would first not identify themselves so that we could sit down and discuss their concerns,” Spencer wrote. “Our organization believes in working through disagreements concerning our bylaws outside of the court system.”

    https://www.petoskeynews.com/news/local/prejudice-lawsuit-claims-bay-view-religious-requirement-is-discriminatory/article_2d861dcc-c55f-5c85-a164-0225371e4a05.html

    On the other hand Michigan is a very big place. So...

    A nice racist smokescreen. But the article, which you either didn't read, or ignored, addresses some of that argument.

    Bay View functions as a legislating and law enforcing government, not strictly a private club. Second, homeowners apply for Federal housing loans, which do bring these policies under Federal law & jurisdiction. One is not granted a Federal loan to pay for a private golf club membership.

    Is there really much diffrence to having a homosexual /bisexual retirement village?
    Deco you also belong to the lefist religion of Climate Chanel. I group who also want to force their belife system, onto others.
    Deco you also spent many years supporting an institution that prohibited homosexuals and bisexuals such as yourself, for your own self gain; the Army.
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    Feb 12, 2018 4:46 AM GMT
    two_meninlove said
    Is there really much difference to having a homosexual /bisexual retirement village?
    Deco you also belong to the leftist religion of Climate Chanel. I group who also want to force their belief system, onto others.
    Deco you also spent many years supporting an institution that prohibited homosexuals and bisexuals such as yourself, for your own self gain; the Army.

    Perhaps a group of Wall Street Republican climate change deniers will decide to move into Wilton Manor and make it their own. Then what?