Starvation Mode?

  • X48384

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    Feb 12, 2018 2:43 AM GMT
    Hey guys, is starvation mode a real thing? Today I had about 800 calories and am not really hungry but I was told if I go under 1500 calories my body will go into starvation mode and I won't lose weight. What are your ideas?
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    Feb 12, 2018 7:27 AM GMT
    It isn't my idea, it's material fact - your body will go into starvation mode if you eat too few calories. You will still lose weight; it will just happen more slowly, because what you refer to as "starvation mode" is your body's metabolism slowing down. All kinds of other great things will happen too, depending on how long you keep this up, what those 800 calories you do eat consist of, and whether or not you are taking certain nutritional supplements - your hair will start to fall out, your blood sugar levels will get messed up and you will feel tired, irritable, and dizzy. Your breath will start to stink as your body goes into ketosis. Eventually, your body will start breaking down muscle to fuel itself. Your immune system won't function properly. It also puts a strain on your heart. In other words, what you're doing isn't very smart. If you choose a severe calorie-restricted diet, you should at least do it under medical supervision.
  • Element1313

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    Feb 12, 2018 4:20 PM GMT
    Paleo diet tricks the body into burning fat and not go into starvation mode by not being calorie restrictive. You can lose 5 lbs a week .

    JScranton saidHey guys, is starvation mode a real thing? Today I had about 800 calories and am not really hungry but I was told if I go under 1500 calories my body will go into starvation mode and I won't lose weight. What are your ideas?
  • X48384

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    Feb 12, 2018 9:54 PM GMT
    Thanks guys, so is there a minimum that I should try for? 1500?
  • X48384

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    Feb 12, 2018 10:14 PM GMT
    Also, should I subtract what I burn at the gym? If I eat 1500 calories and burn 500, should I then eat another 500 to stay at 1500?
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    Feb 13, 2018 3:20 AM GMT
    If you just want to ballpark it, you can assume that an average man burns about 2000 calories per day. If you eat 1500 calories per day and do 500 calories per day worth of exercise, you will have a deficit of 1000 calories per day. A pound of fat is 3500 calories, so it will take you about 4 days for every pound of weight loss. If you want to be a little more scientific about it, you can find calculators on the Internet that tell you how many calories a day you burn based upon your age, weight, activity level, and other factors. I like the one at Mayoclinic.org, but there are others. It's generally recommended that men eat no less than 1500 calories per day. If you do, your metabolism will start to slow, and work against what you are trying to achieve.

    As far as eating, it isn't rocket science. Stay well hydrated. Eat a balanced diet of lean meats, fruits, vegetables, quality carbs, and quality fats. If you feel better with a formal program, there are numerous diets out there - pick one that works for you and your lifestyle. Don't let other people sell you - just because something works for them and fits their lifestyle and risk profile, doesn't mean it's the best choice for you. This is one good source that ranks many different diets and gives you their pros and cons, but there are many others:
    https://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-weight-loss-diets. If you want to do a severe calorie restricted diet, at least pick a reputable program where you are under medical supervision.

    There are no "miracle diets". It's calories in vs calories out. Water plays a big role as well, as it is heavy - over 8 pounds per gallon. If you eat something with a lot of sugar/simple carbs and/or salt, your body will retain a lot of water, and it will look like weight gain. Likewise, if you eat really clean, your body will piss away excess water and it will look like weight loss. You can also sweat away a lot of water if you exercise hard, or spend time in a sauna. Don't be too concerned about day to day weight change. Be diligent and consistent in following your program, whichever you choose, and you will get results.
  • Element1313

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    Feb 13, 2018 6:43 PM GMT

    It’s not the calorie intake it’s your burn rate that matters. You can eat all you want on paleo diet and lose 5 lbs of fat a week. You need to go into Ketosis or fat burning rather than fat building mode. Low stress gym exercisev( like treadmill, stairs, running ) makes matters even worse. Notice how many fat guys are on those machines and how many ripped guys are over in the heavy free weights area.




    JScranton saidAlso, should I subtract what I burn at the gym? If I eat 1500 calories and burn 500, should I then eat another 500 to stay at 1500?
  • notsoserious2

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    Feb 13, 2018 10:17 PM GMT
    Element1313 said
    It’s not the calorie intake it’s your burn rate that matters. You can eat all you want on paleo diet and lose 5 lbs of fat a week. You need to go into Ketosis or fat burning rather than fat building mode. Low stress gym exercisev( like treadmill, stairs, running ) makes matters even worse. Notice how many fat guys are on those machines and how many ripped guys are over in the heavy free weights area.




    JScranton saidAlso, should I subtract what I burn at the gym? If I eat 1500 calories and burn 500, should I then eat another 500 to stay at 1500?


    I can't cope with this - the amount of bioscience you've put in this thread is unbelievable and it's only a few posts short ...

    No, you can't eat as much as you want on Paleo diet because if you go over your caloric requirements for the day, your body will still store that excess energy as fat - it doesn't matter if it comes from "clean" foods, "paleo" foods or any other food on the planet. If your body needs 2000 calories to function and you consume 2100 calories, the 100 will be stored as fat (this is an example only). Paleo is not some magic diet that gives you a free pass in eating whatever you want. This is precisely why people torture themselves with eating boring foods and develop an unhealthy relationship with eating. You should pick a diet that you enjoy.

    Starvation mode is bullshit and has been debunked time and time again. If you stop losing weight and your calorie intake is really low it means you've damaged your metabolism due to constant dieting. Our bodies aren't designed to be constantly put under stress of low caloric intake. The best way to repair is to start slowly adding calories (about 5% a week) and rebuild it. Once you increase your metabolic rate (which takes a long time) you can try and cut down again but only for short periods of time. The whole bulk for 6 months/cut for six months is what causes this sort of weight yoyoing effect and it's not good for our bodies.

    My best advice to you Jscranton is don't look for diet advice on forums like these but do thorough research and seek help from professionals ... although having said that, I wouldn't trust every personal trainer out there, they are full of crap as well. Your best bet is to read articles about it from people that actually studied these things and know the data that supports various approaches to fat loss.

    Layne Norton posted a fatloss video series on his facebook page, few links below. Hope you find something useful there and good luck with your weightloss journey!

    https://www.facebook.com/LayneNorton/videos/10156152659462975/
    https://www.facebook.com/LayneNorton/videos/10156256509177975/ (this in particular helps you with setting up your fat loss diet)
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    Feb 14, 2018 4:28 AM GMT
    notsoserious2 said
    Element1313 said
    It’s not the calorie intake it’s your burn rate that matters. You can eat all you want on paleo diet and lose 5 lbs of fat a week. You need to go into Ketosis or fat burning rather than fat building mode. Low stress gym exercisev( like treadmill, stairs, running ) makes matters even worse. Notice how many fat guys are on those machines and how many ripped guys are over in the heavy free weights area.




    JScranton saidAlso, should I subtract what I burn at the gym? If I eat 1500 calories and burn 500, should I then eat another 500 to stay at 1500?


    I can't cope with this - the amount of bioscience you've put in this thread is unbelievable and it's only a few posts short ...

    No, you can't eat as much as you want on Paleo diet because if you go over your caloric requirements for the day, your body will still store that excess energy as fat - it doesn't matter if it comes from "clean" foods, "paleo" foods or any other food on the planet. If your body needs 2000 calories to function and you consume 2100 calories, the 100 will be stored as fat (this is an example only). Paleo is not some magic diet that gives you a free pass in eating whatever you want. This is precisely why people torture themselves with eating boring foods and develop an unhealthy relationship with eating. You should pick a diet that you enjoy.

    Starvation mode is bullshit and has been debunked time and time again. If you stop losing weight and your calorie intake is really low it means you've damaged your metabolism due to constant dieting. Our bodies aren't designed to be constantly put under stress of low caloric intake. The best way to repair is to start slowly adding calories (about 5% a week) and rebuild it. Once you increase your metabolic rate (which takes a long time) you can try and cut down again but only for short periods of time. The whole bulk for 6 months/cut for six months is what causes this sort of weight yoyoing effect and it's not good for our bodies.

    My best advice to you Jscranton is don't look for diet advice on forums like these but do thorough research and seek help from professionals ... although having said that, I wouldn't trust every personal trainer out there, they are full of crap as well. Your best bet is to read articles about it from people that actually studied these things and know the data that supports various approaches to fat loss.

    Layne Norton posted a fatloss video series on his facebook page, few links below. Hope you find something useful there and good luck with your weightloss journey!

    https://www.facebook.com/LayneNorton/videos/10156152659462975/
    https://www.facebook.com/LayneNorton/videos/10156256509177975/ (this in particular helps you with setting up your fat loss diet)


    Let's make sure we have this straight:

    1) You've been on RJ for 4 years, and this is the first time we've benefited from your great wisdom.
    2) Your stats indicate that you're in your 20's, and are already significantly overweight.
    3) We are to disregard everything except what you say, and the people and links you consider authoritative.

    Lol, uhhhh... ok. Got it.

    /killfile
  • Element1313

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    Feb 14, 2018 3:34 PM GMT
    Real Science is empirical that is it’s the rational observation of experiments .

    Read about the history of the non fat diet scam that had brain washed dogmatist like your self hoodwinked for 40 years.

    As Robb Wolf says in his book. The Paleo Solution . Don’t believe anything in this book. Try it for 30 days . What do you have to lose other than 20 lbs of fat.

    I have personally seen people practically come back from the dead or lose 60 lbs and my friends who were critical of my fad diet are dead now .

    Check out Dr Wahl’s you tube video .(another come back from dead type) who is also a MD and research scientist.


    notsoserious2 said
    Element1313 said
    It’s not the calorie intake it’s your burn rate that matters. You can eat all you want on paleo diet and lose 5 lbs of fat a week. You need to go into Ketosis or fat burning rather than fat building mode. Low stress gym exercisev( like treadmill, stairs, running ) makes matters even worse. Notice how many fat guys are on those machines and how many ripped guys are over in the heavy free weights area.




    JScranton saidAlso, should I subtract what I burn at the gym? If I eat 1500 calories and burn 500, should I then eat another 500 to stay at 1500?


    I can't cope with this - the amount of bioscience you've put in this thread is unbelievable and it's only a few posts short ...

    No, you can't eat as much as you want on Paleo diet because if you go over your caloric requirements for the day, your body will still store that excess energy as fat - it doesn't matter if it comes from "clean" foods, "paleo" foods or any other food on the planet. If your body needs 2000 calories to function and you consume 2100 calories, the 100 will be stored as fat (this is an example only). Paleo is not some magic diet that gives you a free pass in eating whatever you want. This is precisely why people torture themselves with eating boring foods and develop an unhealthy relationship with eating. You should pick a diet that you enjoy.

    Starvation mode is bullshit and has been debunked time and time again. If you stop losing weight and your calorie intake is really low it means you've damaged your metabolism due to constant dieting. Our bodies aren't designed to be constantly put under stress of low caloric intake. The best way to repair is to start slowly adding calories (about 5% a week) and rebuild it. Once you increase your metabolic rate (which takes a long time) you can try and cut down again but only for short periods of time. The whole bulk for 6 months/cut for six months is what causes this sort of weight yoyoing effect and it's not good for our bodies.

    My best advice to you Jscranton is don't look for diet advice on forums like these but do thorough research and seek help from professionals ... although having said that, I wouldn't trust every personal trainer out there, they are full of crap as well. Your best bet is to read articles about it from people that actually studied these things and know the data that supports various approaches to fat loss.

    Layne Norton posted a fatloss video series on his facebook page, few links below. Hope you find something useful there and good luck with your weightloss journey!

    https://www.facebook.com/LayneNorton/videos/10156152659462975/
    https://www.facebook.com/LayneNorton/videos/10156256509177975/ (this in particular helps you with setting up your fat loss diet)
  • X48384

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    Feb 15, 2018 3:01 AM GMT
    Okay guys was only looking for advice, not a fight
  • notsoserious2

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    Feb 15, 2018 6:32 AM GMT
    Tshirtnjeansg...
    1) You've been on RJ for 4 years, and this is the first time we've benefited from your great wisdom.
    2) Your stats indicate that you're in your 20's, and are already significantly overweight.
    3) We are to disregard everything except what you say, and the people and links you consider authoritative.

    Lol, uhhhh... ok. Got it.

    /killfile


    1) I don't see how that relates to the subject? So what you're saying is the only person credible here has to have 57 posts, like yourself?
    2) What's "significantly" overweight to you? We must be going by different measurements because as far as I'm concerned I'm in a very healthy weight. Besides, I didn't realise this was a "let's judge your weight" thread, I thought we were trying to help someone?
    3) I never said my links are authoritative, I've merely included them as examples as they are very informative and provide a good scientific overview, of what can otherwise be quite a difficult subject for a lot of people. I still encouraged JScranton to do his own research.

    icon_rolleyes.gif

    [quote]
    [cite]Element1313[/cite]
    Real Science is empirical that is it’s the rational observation of experiments .
    [/quote]

    Again I must be in a different world because I always thought science is analysing facts and data and making sense of them and applying that knowledge in real world.

    [quote]
    [cite]Element1313[/cite]
    Read about the history of the non fat diet scam that had brain washed dogmatist like your self hoodwinked for 40 years.
    [/quote]

    Non fat diet scam? Have I ever once mentioned someone should stop eating fat?

    [quote]
    [cite]Element1313[/cite]
    As Robb Wolf says in his book. The Paleo Solution . Don’t believe anything in this book. Try it for 30 days . What do you have to lose other than 20 lbs of fat.
    I have personally seen people practically come back from the dead or lose 60 lbs and my friends who were critical of my fad diet are dead now.
    Check out Dr Wahl’s you tube video .(another come back from dead type) who is also a MD and research scientist.[/quote]

    Well I guess I'm going to be dead then. Also, no link to the video? Also just to clarify, I have never said paleo diet isn't effective. If you enjoy paleo diet and it works for you, by all means do it. But don't go around telling people that it's this miracle diet that allows you to eat whatever you want within allowed foods and you will never gain any weight. Fat loss occurs due to caloric restriction, not because of specific foods we consume.

    And hey, my credibility just went up as I have 2 posts! Yay!


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    notsoserious2 said
    Tshirtnjeansg...
    1) You've been on RJ for 4 years, and this is the first time we've benefited from your great wisdom.
    2) Your stats indicate that you're in your 20's, and are already significantly overweight.
    3) We are to disregard everything except what you say, and the people and links you consider authoritative.

    Lol, uhhhh... ok. Got it.

    /killfile


    1) I don't see how that relates to the subject? So what you're saying is the only person credible here has to have 57 posts, like yourself?
    2) What's "significantly" overweight to you? We must be going by different measurements because as far as I'm concerned I'm in a very healthy weight. Besides, I didn't realise this was a "let's judge your weight" thread, I thought we were trying to help someone?
    3) I never said my links are authoritative, I've merely included them as examples as they are very informative and provide a good scientific overview, of what can otherwise be quite a difficult subject for a lot of people. I still encouraged JScranton to do his own research.

    icon_rolleyes.gif

    [quote]
    [cite]Element1313[/cite]
    Real Science is empirical that is it’s the rational observation of experiments .


    Again I must be in a different world because I always thought science is analysing facts and data and making sense of them and applying that knowledge in real world.

    [quote]
    [cite]Element1313[/cite]
    Read about the history of the non fat diet scam that had brain washed dogmatist like your self hoodwinked for 40 years.
    [/quote]

    Non fat diet scam? Have I ever once mentioned someone should stop eating fat?

    [quote]
    [cite]Element1313[/cite]
    As Robb Wolf says in his book. The Paleo Solution . Don’t believe anything in this book. Try it for 30 days . What do you have to lose other than 20 lbs of fat.
    I have personally seen people practically come back from the dead or lose 60 lbs and my friends who were critical of my fad diet are dead now.
    Check out Dr Wahl’s you tube video .(another come back from dead type) who is also a MD and research scientist.[/quote]

    Well I guess I'm going to be dead then. Also, no link to the video? Also just to clarify, I have never said paleo diet isn't effective. If you enjoy paleo diet and it works for you, by all means do it. But don't go around telling people that it's this miracle diet that allows you to eat whatever you want within allowed foods and you will never gain any weight. Fat loss occurs due to caloric restriction, not because of specific foods we consume.

    And hey, my credibility just went up as I have 2 posts! Yay!

    [/quote]

    Basically, dude, you have no credibility. Your posts contain no small number of stupid, unsupported, and untruthful statements, or someone's opinion (including yours) masquerading as fact. Starting with "Starvation mode is bullshit and has been debunked time and time again." Are you really that fucking stupid and misinformed? I'd love to see any credible research that supports this. I'll give you mine. Look up the "Minnesota Starvation Experiment" when you get time. Conducted for the U.S. Government by the University of Minnesota in a study so brutal it could never even be done today, and resulting in a 1400 page published volume of results, among the findings - the subject's metabolisms slowed by about 40%. Although not the only study to conclude this, it is certainly cited as the most definitive, and still forms the basis of much related research and science today.

    I don't have time to go down the list of shit that you believe and present as truth and blow it apart point by point, or the laughable single source you did list. Basically, the only thing you contributed to this thread is a bunch of fucking attitude wrapped around a steaming pile of dubious nonsense, unsupported by any credible or authoritative research institution.