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  • GQjock

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    Feb 25, 2009 1:36 AM GMT
    The Republican (of course) governors of South Carolina Mississippi and Louisiana
    Mark Sanford, Hayley Barbour and Bobby Jindal all came out recently and said that they wouldn't take the portion of the Fed's Stimulus Package that had to do with extending Unemployment Benefits (A portion that really amts to about 1% of the overall pkg)
    Wow ... these States must be really doing very well right?

    So let's take a look at these three great places to live now shall we?
    Unemployment
    South Carolina comes in third with 8.2%
    Mississippi 7.2%

    Percentage of College graduates
    Mississippi dead last
    with South Carolina and Louisiana following close behind
    with Just Kentucky in between

    Infant Mortality
    Louisiana and Mississippi win this one with a TIE for first
    South Carolina has the Fourth highest mortality rate

    Hmmm .... This then must be them there Governor's Mansions
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/gop-governors-consider-tu_n_168099.html

    A handful of Republican governors are considering turning down some money from the federal stimulus package, a move opponents say puts conservative ideology ahead of the needs of constituents struggling with record foreclosures and soaring unemployment.





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    Feb 25, 2009 7:09 AM GMT
    The message is clear from these governors, however. "Vote for me and I'll reduce your taxes. Taxes hurt you the most. Look at you, you're the poorest people in the nation, how can you afford more taxes? I'll save you from those corrupt tax & spend librools."

    It's a message that totally works. The voters never learn that the governors are only peripherally addressing them.
  • GQjock

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    Feb 25, 2009 10:26 AM GMT
    But that's exactly who the republicans tap to do the rebuttal to Obama's speech last night
    Bobby Jindal the Governor of the State that has received a massive influx of Federal dollars and is STILL receiving those Federal dollars as we speak
    is given the mantle of going against the very same thing he'd benefiting from
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    Feb 25, 2009 11:11 AM GMT
    The message that many in the party took from the last election was that the reason they lost was because they were not far enough to the right. icon_eek.gif

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." (Albert Einstein)

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    Feb 25, 2009 1:08 PM GMT
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2009 1:11 PM GMT
    As a Louisiana taxpayer and resident, my Mom called after our hometown's Mardi Gras parade and asked me what I thought of Obama so far. Then we talked about Jindal, our Gub'nor icon_wink.gif

    Even my conservative mother is dumbfounded at the Republicans and Jindal and sees everything that I've been saying since last year's Presidential campaign.


    On another note, I found it interesting that during the first 15-20 minutes of Obama's address, every time there was an applause or a standing ovation, the Republicans were silent. Then, almost like a switch, they were right there with the Democrats standing and ovating. When the script change happened, it was funny to see some hardened Republicans looking around at their fellow Republicans with a look of "HEY! What about the script?!!!"

    I guess they either forgot about it or threw it out the window.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2009 1:12 PM GMT
    GQjock said, "But that's exactly who the republicans tap to do the rebuttal to Obama's speech last night
    Bobby Jindal the Governor of the State that has received a massive influx of Federal dollars and is STILL receiving those Federal dollars as we speak
    is given the mantle of going against the very same thing he'd benefiting from."


    Jindal was surely all about a bailout after Katrina and Rita in 2005!!!
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    Feb 25, 2009 1:17 PM GMT
    Sorry...I am over-taxed...and in the stimulus Pork bill, I get only 13 dollars a paycheck? that wont even fill my gas tank....and now if I make 250K from my business I will be in a new tax bracket? Guess what Im gonna pass the bill to you gay liberals, and lay off people, because this Gay Fiscal conservative refuses to pay more to bail out irresponsible people...Sorryicon_evil.gif
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    Feb 25, 2009 1:26 PM GMT
    Dagger said, "....and now if I make 250K from my business I will be in a new tax bracket?"


    If your business isn't incorporated, you deserve to get taxed heavily. It's illogical to make that much and not separate your business from your personal income.

    Perhaps you're making up the notion that you have a business? I'm just saying...
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    Feb 25, 2009 1:26 PM GMT
    Dagger saidSorry...I am over-taxed...and in the stimulus Pork bill, I get only 13 dollars a paycheck? that wont even fill my gas tank....and now if I make 250K from my business I will be in a new tax bracket? Guess what Im gonna pass the bill to you gay liberals, and lay off people, because this Gay Fiscal conservative refuses to pay more to bail out irresponsible people...Sorryicon_evil.gif



    Kind of glad PR doesn't get to vote.
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    Feb 25, 2009 4:47 PM GMT
    "After President Obama's speech on the economy last night, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal criticized government spending in the stimulus bill, citing examples including "$140 million for something called 'volcano monitoring.'"

    Hummmm. Guess he prefers that we not monitor the volcanoes in the US that might explode and kill thousands. That is probably a good idea, after all, we all know that people like surprises. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
    ...but God forbid if we stop hurricane monitoring!!

    And BTW to Jindal et al., volcano monitoring helps in predicting earthquakes as the two can be very closely related.
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    Feb 25, 2009 5:21 PM GMT
    I found the data in this forum highly stereotyped and completely offensive. After my parents left the UK they went to MS and I lived there for a long time, and graduated from school and college there. I have to really question the validity of your data on college graduates, and I think you should seriously ditch the New York elitist attitude, cause MS is a great state that is no where near as rednecky as what most northerners believe. Just because they're primarily Republican states doesn't mean they're uneducated, and last I looked you're great state of Florida has a higher unemployment rate than MS, AL, or LA does, and right now AR tops the chart with lowest college graduates, not MS, and FLA's percentage ranging around or slightly below 25 % so before you make assumptions you need to check your facts.


    http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/state_unemployment/
  • GQjock

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    Feb 25, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
    Far be it from me to down play any dumbass politicking that Florida has done
    God Knows we are as backward as any other place in this country
    just look at our adoption laws
    and we voted to have same sex marriage banned Twice!
    But Florida didn't go on the record saying that they were going to not take part of the stimulus plan
    In fact Charlie Crist has been touting it as a good thing along with Arnold Schwarzenegger

    Yours truly
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    Feb 25, 2009 8:04 PM GMT
    Dagger saidSorry...I am over-taxed...and in the stimulus Pork bill, I get only 13 dollars a paycheck? that wont even fill my gas tank....and now if I make 250K from my business I will be in a new tax bracket? Guess what Im gonna pass the bill to you gay liberals, and lay off people, because this Gay Fiscal conservative refuses to pay more to bail out irresponsible people...Sorryicon_evil.gif


    I wish conservatives knew how to step off The Borglican's talking points. I'd take them more seriously if they did.

    Anyways...hopefully your brain will aspire to look more like your beautiful body.

    (Personal attack plus compliment = Civility)

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    Feb 25, 2009 8:15 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidThe message is clear from these governors, however. "Vote for me and I'll reduce your taxes. Taxes hurt you the most. Look at you, you're the poorest people in the nation, how can you afford more taxes? I'll save you from those corrupt tax & spend librools."

    It's a message that totally works. The voters never learn that the governors are only peripherally addressing them.

    The Republicans greatest tax reductions went to the wealthiest Americans, not the poorest. And that's where they want the tax breaks to continue to go, to their wealthy friends and political supporters.

    Yet the Repubs sing this tax relief song over and over, and poorer voters actually are deceived into believing they're the ones benefiting, not the rich. The Dems want tax cuts for the lower income levels, and eliminate tax breaks for the very richest. So naturally the dishonest Repubs have distorted that into "Democratic tax hikes" to scare the voters.
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    Feb 25, 2009 8:32 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidDagger said, "....and now if I make 250K from my business I will be in a new tax bracket?"


    If your business isn't incorporated, you deserve to get taxed heavily. It's illogical to make that much and not separate your business from your personal income.

    Perhaps you're making up the notion that you have a business? I'm just saying...


    coolarmydude hits the nail right on the head with this one. If you own a business and you make over 250K and you are still filing your business taxes as personal income rather than incorporating then you might want to fire the person you are taking financial advice from or hire someone who knows what they are doing to take over.

    That said, Dagger used the word "if" which means that he may not be making that much but is instead asking for tax code to be written based on the fear that he might actually make that much money not because he is. I will never understand people who want lower taxes for the rich because they are afraid they may one day wake up rich and have to pay higher taxes. I don't make 250k and I would happily trade in the bump up in pay and suffer the indignity of a higher tax bracket.
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    Feb 25, 2009 8:40 PM GMT
    OutdoorMutt said"After President Obama's speech on the economy last night, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal criticized government spending in the stimulus bill, citing examples including "$140 million for something called 'volcano monitoring.'"

    Hummmm. Guess he prefers that we not monitor the volcanoes in the US that might explode and kill thousands. That is probably a good idea, after all, we all know that people like surprises. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Even better is that his claim is just factually incorrect. 140 million was for the US Geological Survey which does more than monitor volcanoes, but why let something like facts get in the way of a crappy speech.
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    Feb 25, 2009 8:46 PM GMT
    I am originally from Mississippi, but am in my final year at Harding University. I think what is so painful about this post, is it is true. IT INFURIATES ME that Barber would turn down that money. I know so many people, IE-- my grandmother and greatgrandmother who can barely afford their medications. We desperately need help, but yet again the disconnected rich of Mississippi have ignored what is best for its people. It is such a lovely process to watch us regress into a antebellum political structure. Forget race issues, socioeconomic and sociopolitical discrimination is what will ultimately choke what little of improvements we have made. Oh, forgot to mention. NOT all of us are rednecks. Take your stereotypes and shove...... icon_eek.gif

    unfortunately, that threat is not as dangerous in this room, people seem to like things up their bum here..... icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 25, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    MonkeyPuck said I will never understand people who want lower taxes for the rich because they are afraid they may one day wake up rich and have to pay higher taxes. I don't make 250k and I would happily trade in the bump up in pay and suffer the indignity of a higher tax bracket.


    Its because apparently they work sooo hard for that money. As if we could measure the worth of a bank CEO and a principal who pulls a dilapidated innercity school out of hell and the illegal mexican immigrant who spends nearly every waking hour cleaning up that school and other business in the area.
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    Feb 25, 2009 9:51 PM GMT
    baldrick05 saidI am originally from Mississippi, Take your stereotypes and shove...... icon_eek.gif

    unfortunately, that threat is not as dangerous in this room, people seem to like things up their bum here..... icon_lol.gif



    Thank you, I'm so sick of this elitist attitude towards the south. I mean, have people from New York not been to the Poconos? The way people people think of the south is ridiculous. The town I lived in never had a hate crime, was full of doctors and lawyers, and it was actually popular to be gay, and most people don't have a problem with it. It's sad that the rest of the country thinks the south is a shitehole, at least our state isn't bankrupt yet, or have such a high unemployment, but then I guess some people do more then just sit on the beach and tan.
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    Feb 25, 2009 10:07 PM GMT
    does that make oklahoma the "shemp" ?



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  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 25, 2009 11:08 PM GMT
    In this high tech modern day and age, I think that it is a terrible disgrace that South Carolina, Mississippi, and Louisiana are so far behind the times thanks to the GOP and the right wing religious conservatives. All three of these states have tremendous potential to be among the greatest and most prosperous but for a very well known reason the powerful culture and politics of backwardness, the good ol boy political system, an underdeveloped infrastructure, and a poor education system along with continued extreme right wing attitudes and politics has given all three of these states a horrible image as places to avoid. This is totally inexcusable but in order for Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina to successfully break free of the past there must be a major overhaul in the politics and in general attitudes of the people. Religious fundamentalism is too dominant a force in all three states. Any new ideas or new laws that challenge the status quo are killed dead in the Columbia, Baton Rouge, and Jackson statehouses. It is because the right wing has too powerful a grip on these three states that the crushing poverty, illiteracy, and poor living conditions prevail in large areas of these three poor, southern states.
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    Feb 25, 2009 11:18 PM GMT
    So since I've posted to this I'm now getting emails personally attacking my defense of MS. RoadbikeRob has this to say:

    "I understand that you lived in Mississippi for a while and you love the state but unfortunately that does not change the true facts that it is the nation's most poverty strickened state. I have travelled across Mississippi and I found it to be very redneckish and very conservative. I have not seen the crushing rural poverty that I saw in both Mississippi and Louisiana. I thought parts of West Virginia and Pennsylvania were bad but Mississippi and Louisiana are third world poor in comparison to the rest of the country. Also it is just too religious for my taste, I can do very easily without all those narrow-minded, bible thumping screwballs imposing their beliefs on everyone else. I am very sorry but Mississippi has beautiful southern countryside and a great gulf coastline but it is still a very poor, underdeveloped state."

    Obviously Roadbikerob, you didn't visit the same MS I lived in. When Hurricane Katrina hit a whole bunch of college mates and I flew down from NYC to be part of the recovery effort. Each one of them said they had no idea MS was so nice and that the people were so friendly. You must have landed in the middle of the woods in some redneck village because there are many big cities in MS that are growing uncontrollably. And whereas MS may be the poorest, it is by no means dead or stagnant, and it's sad that so many of the nation have such a narrowminded view of MS. Many famous artists, musicians, singers, actors, and writers are very proud to call MS home.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 25, 2009 11:25 PM GMT
    There are many large cities in Mississippi? The only true large city is the state capital city of Jackson which has about 200,000 people in the city proper. The second largest city, Meridien is only about 60,000 in population and that is not even close to Jackson in size. Gulfport has a little over 40,000 people and Biloxi is a good sized coastal town but to consider those large cities is an unrealistic stretch. Sorry but Mississippi has only one large city.