MAGA - Red States best at... infant mortality!

  • splooje

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    Feb 23, 2018 2:48 AM GMT
    Because Pro Life means the babies die AFTER they're born icon_biggrin.gif

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  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 24, 2018 4:15 AM GMT
    ROFL!

    I don't know what's more pathetic. The fact that AGAIN, you've posted some photoshopped image that is being hosted on some anonymous site such as imgur.com thinking no one would notice your dishonest bullshit or that you somehow think people here are going to believe that the NCHS is going to link infant mortality rates to political affiliation.

    Sorry to break it to you but the NCHS doesn't have any political leaning agenda like your sorry ass.

    Not to mention, states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa are NOT red states.

    You have WAY too much time on your hands to be conjuring up all this bullshit.
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 24, 2018 4:17 AM GMT
    By the way, here's the actual image that you stole from another site. You changed the colors of some of the states to look red and then tried to pass it off as some politically motivated bullshit to support your agenda:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/252064/us-infant-mortality-rate-by-ethnicity-2011/
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 24, 2018 4:19 AM GMT
    Forgot to post the actual image:

    us-infant-mortality-rate-by-ethnicity-20


    You are a total loser. icon_lol.gif
  • jlars12

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    Feb 24, 2018 5:44 AM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo saidROFL!

    I don't know what's more pathetic. The fact that AGAIN, you've posted some photoshopped image that is being hosted on some anonymous site such as imgur.com thinking no one would notice your dishonest bullshit or that you somehow think people here are going to believe that the NCHS is going to link infant mortality rates to political affiliation.

    Sorry to break it to you but the NCHS doesn't have any political leaning agenda like your sorry ass.

    Not to mention, states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa are NOT red states.

    You have WAY too much time on your hands to be conjuring up all this bullshit.


    MuchoMasQueMusculo saidBy the way, here's the actual image that you stole from another site. You changed the colors of some of the states to look red and then tried to pass it off as some politically motivated bullshit to support your agenda:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/252064/us-infant-mortality-rate-by-ethnicity-2011/






    The two charts show the same information. The states OP coloured as red are indeed red states as of the last election. How does that undermine his argument in any way?? lol

    Doesn't pointing out the swing-state status of better-performing states like Iowa and Wisconsin only help the OP's argument?! icon_lol.gif
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 24, 2018 6:28 AM GMT
    jlars12 said


    The two charts show the same information. The states OP coloured as red are indeed red states as of the last election. How does that undermine his argument in any way?? lol

    Doesn't pointing out the swing-state status of better-performing states like Iowa and Wisconsin only help the OP's argument?! icon_lol.gif


    1) The OP troll altered the original photo without informing us of what he did or of his intentions. By keeping "Sources: NCHS © Statista 2017" at the bottom while altering the information to suit his agenda he's not only violating copyright infringement, he's exploiting a reliable source. I wonder what they'd do if they became privy to the fact that their factual based information is being denigrated by a troll to push his anti-conservative propaganda? Maybe Jeff would have some legal consequences to contend with?

    2) Swing states aren't won by a landslide. To spell it out for you, Trump had the winning vote by less than 5% from these states. In other words, these swing states aren't staunchly republican. It could be 52%/48% republican/democrat. With these numbers it hardly makes dumbocrats look completely innocent or republicans overtly guilty of wrongdoing as the troll OP is trying so desperately to insinuate.

    3) Even these numbers don't prove much of anything. DC at 7.9 compared to Mississippi at 8.8 is less than one whole infant death between the two. Yet you want to vilify red states. Talk about extreme desperation.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 24, 2018 8:48 AM GMT
    MuchoMasQueMusculo said
    jlars12 said


    The two charts show the same information. The states OP coloured as red are indeed red states as of the last election. How does that undermine his argument in any way?? lol

    Doesn't pointing out the swing-state status of better-performing states like Iowa and Wisconsin only help the OP's argument?! icon_lol.gif


    1) The OP troll altered the original photo without informing us of what he did or of his intentions. By keeping "Sources: NCHS © Statista 2017" at the bottom while altering the information to suit his agenda he's not only violating copyright infringement, he's exploiting a reliable source. I wonder what they'd do if they became privy to the fact that their factual based information is being denigrated by a troll to push his anti-conservative propaganda. Maybe Jeff would have some legal consequences to contend with?

    2) Swing states aren't won by a landslide. To spell it out for you, Trump had the winning vote by less than 5% from these states. In other words, these swing states aren't staunchly republican. It could be 52%/48% republican/democrat. With these numbers it hardly makes dumbocrats look completely innocent as the troll OP is trying so desperately to insinuate.

    3) Yew a chroll azz-bitch!!
    Technically both Pennsylvania and Maine were 50/50 because the electoral difference was extremely razor thin in those two states. It was factually wrong to shade Pennsylvania red and Maine blue.
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    Feb 24, 2018 12:26 PM GMT
    I want to be the first man to give birth
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    Feb 24, 2018 4:58 PM GMT
    I love how the Trump Trolls here, when facing evidence of the Right's failures, focus not on the validity of the facts themselves, but in HOW they were presented. Just like the trolls who make a thread-blocking fuss about the choice of Forums an item gets started under, to divert & dilute attention from any discussion that's unflattering to them. Meanwhile they themselves post charts and facts that are blatantly false, and from known Right-Wing extremist sites.

    The OP's list of States remains in the same order in any color. My admiration for the OP in taking the time to give us one that reflects Party dominance in high versus low-ranking States. And the underlying facts he presented remain unchanged. Try again, Trump Trolls.

    In the meantime, the TTs will also have to explain similar valid State charts that rank educational performance, average education levels, murder rates, death rates by guns, divorce rates, median income levels, welfare recipients, health care quality & access, Federal tax contributions versus Federal aid received, unwed teen pregnancy rates, and dozens of other objective criteria for evaluating quality of life in Red versus Blue States.

    Instead the TTs try to shift the discussion to the color of the chart. How incredibly immature! And frankly, rather embarrassingly indicative of their impotence at being able to address the true issues at hand. With hard facts that show Republicans fail across the board in every criteria, except possibly gun ownership and pickup truck ownership.

    (BTW, I owned a stick-shift Ford F-150 for many years, often used for towing my light camper trailers or my enclosed Wells Cargo motorcycle carrier. So don't try to attack me for being an East Coast Libtard elitist. I calls 'em as I sees 'em)
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    Feb 24, 2018 7:16 PM GMT
    art_deco saidI love how the Trump Trolls here, when facing evidence of the Right's failures, focus not on the validity of the facts themselves, but in HOW they were presented. Just like the trolls who make a thread-blocking fuss about the choice of Forums an item gets started under, to divert & dilute attention from any discussion that's unflattering to them. Meanwhile they themselves post charts and facts that are blatantly false, and from known Right-Wing extremist sites.

    The OP's list of States remains in the same order in any color. My admiration for the OP in taking the time to give us one that reflects Party dominance in high versus low-ranking States. And the underlying facts he presented remain unchanged. Try again, Trump Trolls.

    In the meantime, the TTs will also have to explain similar valid State charts that rank educational performance, average education levels, murder rates, death rates by guns, divorce rates, median income levels, welfare recipients, health care quality & access, Federal tax contributions versus Federal aid received, unwed teen pregnancy rates, and dozens of other objective criteria for evaluating quality of life in Red versus Blue States.

    Instead the TTs try to shift the discussion to the color of the chart. How incredibly immature! And frankly, rather embarrassingly indicative of their impotence at being able to address the true issues at hand. With hard facts that show Republicans fail across the board in every criteria, except possibly gun ownership and pickup truck ownership.

    (BTW, I owned a stick-shift Ford F-150 for many years, often used for towing my light camper trailers or my enclosed Wells Cargo motorcycle carrier. So don't try to attack me for being an East Coast Libtard elitist. I calls 'em as I sees 'em)

    Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.
    Deco does love to do a Hillary and project onto others.
    Just like how he likes to call gays, none gays.
    like himself.
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 25, 2018 12:21 AM GMT
    art_deco saidI love how the Trump Trolls here, when facing evidence of the Right's failures, focus not on the validity of the facts themselves, but in HOW they were presented. Just like the trolls who make a thread-blocking fuss about the choice of Forums an item gets started under, to divert & dilute attention from any discussion that's unflattering to them. Meanwhile they themselves post charts and facts that are blatantly false, and from known Right-Wing extremist sites.

    The OP's list of States remains in the same order in any color. My admiration for the OP in taking the time to give us one that reflects Party dominance in high versus low-ranking States. And the underlying facts he presented remain unchanged. Try again, Trump Trolls.


    Funny you should mention the term "failures." I think your uppity social justice mentality you inundate the forums with is a defense mechanism fueled by all the failures of your prior closeted straight life. Not one person wants anything to do with you from that period. I can easily see why! Now you spend your days with a roommate *NOT YOUR HUSBAND* who sponges off of you financially whom you don't even have the balls to marry; even though you're legally entitled to.

    Again, to reiterate. These numbers mean NOTHING. When comparing the highest numbers for Mississippi and DC, the difference equates to less than one actual infant mortality between the two. That goes for across the board. Dang, the desperation of this site from the loony left is obscenely out of control.

    Don't people on this site actually accuse you of being the troll who's been creating these destitute threadsicon_question.gif Who here has all the time in the world to conjure up these absurd correlations to flood the forums with? A lonely, unfulfilled troll without a life, that's who. No wonder you came in here in such a tizzy!

    The desperation to vilify anything red continues to grow in leaps and bounds. Because that's all the left has left to hang onto.

  • craycraydoesd...

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    Feb 26, 2018 1:02 AM GMT
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    jlars12 said
    MuchoMasQueMusculo saidROFL!

    I don't know what's more pathetic. The fact that AGAIN, you've posted some photoshopped image that is being hosted on some anonymous site such as imgur.com thinking no one would notice your dishonest bullshit or that you somehow think people here are going to believe that the NCHS is going to link infant mortality rates to political affiliation.

    Sorry to break it to you but the NCHS doesn't have any political leaning agenda like your sorry ass.

    Not to mention, states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa are NOT red states.

    You have WAY too much time on your hands to be conjuring up all this bullshit.


    MuchoMasQueMusculo saidBy the way, here's the actual image that you stole from another site. You changed the colors of some of the states to look red and then tried to pass it off as some politically motivated bullshit to support your agenda:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/252064/us-infant-mortality-rate-by-ethnicity-2011/






    The two charts show the same information. The states OP coloured as red are indeed red states as of the last election. How does that undermine his argument in any way?? lol

    Doesn't pointing out the swing-state status of better-performing states like Iowa and Wisconsin only help the OP's argument?! icon_lol.gif



    I know right?! OP using NEUTRAL data to make a partisan claim is already better than most people here. The irony of muchomasquecmusclo accusing people of bias/dishonesty while posting FAKE black crime statistics from DAVIDDUKE.COM icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 26, 2018 2:01 AM GMT
    I already apologized in that thread for posting an inaccurate crime statistic. I already owned up to it.

    You never did for spreading the lie by claiming Hitler was Jewish:

    crAIDScrAIDS evidently HATES Jews





  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 26, 2018 8:04 AM GMT
    Just wanted to shed some light on this matter with more complete data that basically invalidates the scummy agenda of this thread.

    Take a look at the CDC site and mortality rates for the past few years:

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm

    If you click on each of the four years they provide you'll see that Alabama had the highest infant mortality rate; having nearly four more infant mortality rates than whichever state came in second place.

    Also. What if we looked at the infant mortality rates based on race from the same CDC source?
    For 2015
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    Above image from:
    https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/infantmortality.htm

    From this chart in the link just below we can see infant mortality rates for all races for 2011-2013:
    http://kaiserf.am/2EUnWh9

    As you all can see from the chart in the link above, in every state with sufficient data presented, black infant mortality rates took first place FOR EVERY STATE. And in some cases by more than two and in some cases almost three times higher compared to Hispanics and Asians.

    Looking around further to try and determine why black infant mortality exist brings me to this simple explanation from npr.com (National Public Radio):

    "We see so many of the same risk factors over and over again," he says. "Hypertension, obesity, smoking, diabetes, lack of antenatal care, drug use, alcohol use, poor maternal health." This quote is from Science and Medical article: "Why Black Women, Infants Lag In Birth Outcomes"
    Copied from: https://www.npr.org/2011/07/08/137652226/-the-race-gap

    Which brings me back to this scummy smug comment:

    splooje saidBecause Pro Life means the babies die AFTER they're born icon_biggrin.gif


    Who talks about the tragedy of babies less than one year old dying and attaches a shit-eating grin to his statement? You are truly disgusting.

    It's clear that when you said this you came to the pathetic conclusion of something along the lines of, "Well, red states have the highest amount of infant mortality. So....so.. I got it! Since they're red it must all be white racist mommies letting their babies die!" Which, all somehow motivated you to commit copyright infringement by stealing a graph from the NCHS, altering it's information to promote your propagandistic nonsense and creating this absurd and divisive thread.


  • splooje

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    Feb 27, 2018 3:32 AM GMT
    LOL

    White infant mortality by state:

    https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-mortality-rate-by-race-ethnicity

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  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 27, 2018 4:35 AM GMT
    Anyone who takes the time to pull up the chart I provided will clearly see that every state that has infant mortality rates for both black and white will see that black infants die at a much higher rate. More black babies than white babies are dying in EVERY red state where data is available for both races.

    You're grasping and flailing by continuing with these dumb images that you steal, alter and repost to imgur.com

    So, are all these black parents who are loosing their babies in all the red states, are we to assume that they are republican too?
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    Feb 27, 2018 5:07 AM GMT
    Obviously OP's second chart is to debunk your claim that red states owe their much-higher mortality rates to blacks. Everyone already knows blacks have it worse in every state, especially red ones, but evidently whites suffer in red states too. You're a literate person. Stop making everything about race!
  • splooje

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    Feb 27, 2018 5:09 AM GMT
    Aqueerius saidObviously OP's second chart is to debunk your claim that red states owe their much-higher mortality rates to blacks. Everyone already knows blacks have it worse in every state, especially red ones, but evidently whites suffer in red states too. You're a literate person. Stop making everything about race!


    MMQM can't be too literate if he thinks "loosing[sic] their babies" is a thing icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 27, 2018 5:26 AM GMT
    since when is the state responsible for making sure your kids don't die?
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 27, 2018 5:55 AM GMT
    Aqueerius saidObviously OP's second chart is to debunk your claim that red states owe their much-higher mortality rates to blacks. Everyone already knows blacks have it worse in every state, especially red ones, but evidently whites suffer in red states too. You're a literate person. Stop making everything about race!


    I didn't say that. I said that in every state where data was available for both white and black that black infant mortality was highest between the two. You're either trying to twist my words around intentionally or you are the one who needs some literacy training.

    Apparently you find it acceptable to excuse black infant mortality due to socio-economic shortcoming. But the nature of this thread was to insinuate that red states, or more aptly white republicans are somehow guilty of letting their infants die. And you're obviously fine with irresponsible insinuation also.

    The ridiculous irony of the OP and its intent regarding pro-life and abortion is that black women get more abortions than anyone else. And that's a fact that can easily be looked up online.

    Don't get upset because I "made this about race." My only point in discussing statistics by race is that every state which has more black infant mortality than whites; ask yourself this:

    Did these disproportionately higher number of black infant mortality rates come from black mothers or families that voted for Trump?

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    Feb 27, 2018 6:37 AM GMT
    OP's assertion is that red states have higher infant mortality (zero fucks about race). You claimed that your data on black infant mortality "basically invalidates" it.

    But since white infant mortality is ALSO much higher in red states, and like you said, black infant mortality is higher in EVERY state, how does the huge difference between red and blue states - the premise of this thread - have anything to do with race??
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    Feb 27, 2018 7:11 AM GMT
    it's like when they said the budget was literally going to kill millions of children.

    it's already beginning...
  • MuchoMasQueMu...

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    Feb 27, 2018 7:12 AM GMT
    Aqueerius saidOP's assertion is that red states have higher infant mortality (zero fucks about race). You claimed that your data on black infant mortality "basically invalidates" it.

    But since white infant mortality is ALSO much higher in red states, and like you said, black infant mortality is higher in EVERY state, how does the huge difference between red and blue states - the premise of this thread - have anything to do with race??


    No, not "zero fucks about race." It matters to look at the all the demographics of the mortality rates. That's the only way to observe trends and extrapolate the information in order to come to an equitable hypothesis or conclusion. You honestly find the OP's absurd idea to be acceptable? Correlation in this case does not equal causation.

    Scumbag isn't making an assertion. He's making divisive insinuations which I already spelled out above. This is just another weak anti-Trump anti-white thread and a jab at republicans who oppose abortion. But it backfired since we all now know that in every state more black mortalities occur than white. This has nothing to do with political leaning and all of this shouldn't need clarification.
  • northbeach

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    Feb 27, 2018 9:05 AM GMT
    Aqueerius saidOP's assertion is that red states have higher infant mortality (zero fucks about race). You claimed that your data on black infant mortality "basically invalidates" it.

    But since white infant mortality is ALSO much higher in red states, and like you said, black infant mortality is higher in EVERY state, how does the huge difference between red and blue states - the premise of this thread - have anything to do with race??


    muchomasquemusclo either can't read, or needed an excuse to rant about black-this black-that... just let him have his outlet icon_lol.gif

    OP is anti-trump for sure, funny how that means "anti-white" to MMQM.
  • craycraydoesd...

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    Mar 02, 2018 5:15 AM GMT
    You know where the GOP stands when trump's supporters interpret an attack on the party as an attack on white people