Bobby Jindal and Michael Steele: Stage Dressing?

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    Feb 25, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    For those of you who watched Bobby Jindal's [overtly scripted] response to Barack Obama's speech, did anyone enjoy a long eye-roll like myself?

    Does it seem that the Republican white-majority is attempting to capitalize on the lustful political ambitions of both Bobbby (Piyush) and Michael?!

    They don't "look" the part and yet their narrow standards and viewpoints don't break any new ground stemming from traditional Republican talking points.

    Jindal denied his state 90 million in stimulus funds that would have otherwise been applied to unemployment--one of the actual areas which needs STIMULATION. How can you argue this kind of spending as "grossly wasteful"?! He is deaf to the needs of his own citizens and to America's cry for assistance.

    He was more than willing to take millions after the wake of Katrina from his own party, yet now that the check is cleared by the Democrats, suddenly he is riding a moral high-horse.

    Note: This isn't a thread attacking Anglo-Americans or the like, but the reality exists that a majority of the Republican party is--in fact--white (don't call me a bigot, please--I'm a "halfie").

    OK, my rant is over. G'damn these tools!



    Any thoughts on where you believe the Republican party is going with these two? They break the typical image of Republicans, yet aren't much different (fundamentally speaking).
  • auryn

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    Feb 25, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
    I just finished watching Jindal's canned response to the address that he hadn't even heard when his "response" was written and felt sick to my stomach by it. I'm still trying to piece together my thoughts about that and your topic.

    More to come.
  • EricLA

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    Feb 25, 2009 9:56 PM GMT
    Matta,

    I don't think you have anything to apologize for -- the Republicans are so trapped in their ideology that they deserve to be represented as you describe. They are parodies of themselves. I went into Jindal's speech last night with an open mind. I've heard him speak before, but I was interested to see how he came across in this format. Disaster! The Republicans could have used this speech to speak to the American public, but instead just used their usual Conservative talking points. And Jindal totally undercut his message, if there was one, by invoking Katrina as an example that Federal government doesn't work. Unfortunately, it just serves to remind everyone that the Republican approach didn't work. I don't think his speech worked on any level: tone, delivery, "substance." I don't know him well, but it didn't even sound heartfelt coming from him. I'm sure it was written for him, but it didn't play that way. Very disingenuous. And I think it just makes him look like another tool of a Republican party locked in the past.

    So, yes, it was one big eye-roll for me too.

    Eric
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    Feb 25, 2009 10:14 PM GMT
    Here's what i wrote in the Jindal thread:

    "Dems always compare everything to racism when it comes to republicans. one thing that always made me laugh was how white democrats can get away with saying racist comments towards minority GOP members, while simultaneously accusing conservatives of being racists. he had a very inspiring message, unlike the dems who say only government can help us, like we're little babies. instead of dems listening to Jindal, they're jumping on the "token...." conspiracy.

    here's a great link to another conservative american's POV who also happens to be a minority. it's pretty sad that i have be hypocritical for a moment and use race to prove a point. at least it will educate those that still have stereotypical views towards republicans."

    http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction



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    Feb 25, 2009 10:58 PM GMT
    I was laughing my head off when he was making his speech. It was kind of pathetic how he was borrowing so much from Obama's platform and repackaging it for Republican consumption. It seemed to me like entire lines were lifted right out of Obama's speeches. Sounds like the GOP recognizes that there is a shift in public opinion and they're trying to capitalize on it. Unfortunately, they don't have the track record to show for the change. It's not like all of a sudden they can come out and speak up about the environment and healthcare with a compassionate voice. They've failed in those departments.
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    Feb 25, 2009 11:16 PM GMT
    Jindal refused the $90 million because it would require mandatory changes to state laws, increasing un-employment benefits..which Louisiana would be unable to pay for..after the stimulus money ran out. Some would say that was a fiscally responsible decision.
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    Feb 25, 2009 11:39 PM GMT
    AF24 saidJindal refused the $90 million because it would require mandatory changes to state laws, increasing un-employment benefits..which Louisiana would be unable to pay for..after the stimulus money ran out. Some would say that was a fiscally responsible decision.




    I agree with AF24. I completely back Jindal in refusing money that would make it easier for people to sit on their butts and do nothing while I get out their work my ass off to pay for their food, bills and semi-sentient afterbirths that they call children that they keep popping out. For once a Republican actually did something I agree with. What this country DOES NOT NEED is a new government program that allows people to get away with being a detriment to society.
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    Feb 28, 2009 2:57 PM GMT
    AF24 saidJindal refused the $90 million because it would require mandatory changes to state laws, increasing un-employment benefits..which Louisiana would be unable to pay for..after the stimulus money ran out. Some would say that was a fiscally responsible decision.


    Yes some would say that and those people would be wrong.

    The states are not obligated to keep those changes. They only have to make the changes while the federal government is covering the difference. In the end the changes are covered by the federal government. So, if turning down money that will be spent in the state's local economy, will contribute to local government income through state sales tax and income tax and not cost the state anything is considered "fiscal responsible" then you are using some definition of which I was previously unaware.

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    Feb 28, 2009 3:11 PM GMT
    I posted the following in another forum thread, but it fits here too...
    But I digress a bit....I think 2 beautiful examples of the latest repuGlican hypocrisy is one the appointment of the black RNC chairman, and now the new face man for the repuGs...Bobby Jindal.
    First of all Steel...Give me a break. Do you really think the repuGlicans want a black heading up the RNC? WE ALL know they don't. And WE ALL know why they did it. And then Bobby Jindal being their new face! LOL! It's laughable. You know the main stream repuGlicans hate having them there! Don't get me wrong...I am thrilled to see blacks and minorities in high appointment positions. It's about damn time. Too bad they are on the wrong side of the fence. And what really angers me is that they are not stupid. They KNOW they are being used and don't care! That is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy!
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    Feb 28, 2009 3:30 PM GMT
    Since I live in LA, I know for a fact that most people that do not have a job do NOT want to work and expect everyone else to take care of them. Time to break this 3 generation cycle.
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    Feb 28, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
    Luckydog76 saidSince I live in LA, I know for a fact that most people that do not have a job do NOT want to work and expect everyone else to take care of them. Time to break this 3 generation cycle.


    Please, do tell how you know this for a fact. What gives you such keen insight into these roughly 200,000 people who are willfully unemployed? You know each one personally? Do you mean so say there are that many open jobs in the state? I have searched but can't seem to find any reference to such a labor shortage in Louisiana.
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    Feb 28, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
    The GOP are experimenting. I'm not going to malign them instantly while they try to find their way any more than right wingnuts should malign Obama while only 1 month into his term.
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    Feb 28, 2009 4:08 PM GMT
    It is not a labor shortage. It is a shortage of people in LA, specifically New Orleans, who expect the government to provide for them without working. Move down here for a while and you will see what I am speaking of.
  • jarhead5536

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    Feb 28, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    Complete window dressing, clearly. The modern Republican Party trades in fear and not much else, and fear of the "other" is the biggest one of all. They are trotting out token minorities just to mask the inherent racism and xenophobia of the social conservative mindset. I'm trying not to get started too far down this road, since I have many friends here that call themselves Republicans. Fiscal conservatism is fine, and I have no problem with it. I can't stand to be in the same zip code with a social conservative...
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    Feb 28, 2009 4:17 PM GMT
    Luckydog76 saidIt is not a labor shortage. It is a shortage of people in LA, specifically New Orleans, who expect the government to provide for them without working. Move down here for a while and you will see what I am speaking of.


    I am sorry but you are now making no sense. You just said there is shortage of people who expect the government to provide for them which directly contradicts your initial assertion that you have a glut of people that want to be taken care of.

    You also failed to answer my questions so I will ask again.

    How do you know the motivations of roughly 200 thousand people? You stated you knew for a "fact" did you survey all of them or just a partial group? What was you sample size and what is your margin of error?

    Secondly, are there really that many jobs in the state? For people to be willfully unemployed their have to be jobs that they could take but are refusing to do so. Please cite the source that show that many open jobs in the state.
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    Feb 28, 2009 4:52 PM GMT
    This is the first time I have ever heard of Jindal... and my first impression of him was not good. Politics aside... he seems weak... his demeanor, walk, voice, level of confidence, etc. in his response speech seemed substandard and overly rehearsed.

    Anyways...

    I saw a book on the shelves a few days ago at a store (something like):

    "The Battle for the Republican Party: the Evangelicals vs. the Liberiatarians"

    I thought it was interesting.... I'd be much more willing to listen to the republican party if they droped their Christian supremsism ideals and traditions.

    When I think of the Rebulican Party... I think of out-dated, tradiontal, rigid, religious, "black and white," non-scientific.

    Fiscal conservatives need to drop the socail conseverative or form their own party.

    It is just hard for my to respet the Republican Party when so many of it's politicains:
    1. Compare gays to terrorist, murderers, pedophiles etc. (or poitcians who do not condeme those comments)
    2. Want small government expect when it comes to gays, guns, God, and a woman's body, or buring the American flag.
    3. Find enough money to run two contriversal wars... yet our schools and and univerisities are struggling.
    4. Deny the importance and significane of science, logic and reasoning over a belief system with NO crediable proof.
    5. And some, if not many, support social Darwinism... survival of the richest.

    Many republican condem welfare and social security--most who recieve it abuse they system in their eyes.

    I'll tell you plainly: I am greatfully for SSI and disability programs. Yes, you may have worked your butt off in live and do not like the idsea that people depend on ur tax dollars.... but if it weren't for those tax dollars, I would have bankrupted my parents... they would have lost their house trying to pay for all of my medical bills when I had a severe illness.

    I saw a bumper sticker once which read " I work hard so you don't have to."

    I wanted to punch the guy in the face... spit on him... and thank him for those tax dollars which kept my family above the poverty line.

    Yes there are people which abuse the system... but rarely does the stereotypical money hungry Republican look at the lives helped and changed through welfare and SSI.

    I have always had the thought of helping others in society... that I am only one person... the sucess and srvival of America is more important than my tax dollars.

    "There is no I in team" but there is an I in Republican

    Fiscal consverative are okay... I may have some differences... but they are not as huge as with Republicans in gerneal or social conservative.
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    Feb 28, 2009 4:59 PM GMT
    Disc0Mat1979 saidHere's what i wrote in the Jindal thread:

    "Dems always compare everything to racism when it comes to republicans. one thing that always made me laugh was how white democrats can get away with saying racist comments towards minority GOP members, while simultaneously accusing conservatives of being racists. he had a very inspiring message, unlike the dems who say only government can help us, like we're little babies. instead of dems listening to Jindal, they're jumping on the "token...." conspiracy.

    here's a great link to another conservative american's POV who also happens to be a minority. it's pretty sad that i have be hypocritical for a moment and use race to prove a point. at least it will educate those that still have stereotypical views towards republicans."

    http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction





    We have nothing to fear. Sarah (I am an energy expert and so proud of my out or wedlock child bearing duaghter) Palin. is on patrol right now keeping us safe from those pesky Russians. I can not wait for her to run again in 2012. Oh I forget we will all be dead them. You know the end of the world is coming.

    Disc0Mat1979, I am so sorry you are still drinking that, GOP, finger pointing, do anything to win, even ruin the entire country just to make the DEMS look weak, So I can use it against the next time. Sucker Punch. It might taste good going down, but, what about the after taste. Doesn't the reflux just drive you crazy. Come on, can't you see that Mike steele and Bobby Jindal ARE just Tokens. If they were not. then the GOP party would be more diverse. But is not. They are just guys they think they can use to win. Just like Palin was used to get support for Mccain. Remember it was a guy who was trying to be the chairman of the GOP who wrote and a song called "Barack Obama The Magic Negro" Now that is real compassion from a CHRISTIAN.

    It will be okay one day you will wake up one day.







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    Feb 28, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
    Disc0Mat,

    Your youtube guy also said this:



    I diagree with ~60% of what he said... would question ~15% of what he said... and agree with him on ~25% of what he said.... He seems to ba a black and white thinker.

    But yes... the Republican party is becoming more diverse... especially in traditionally black churches in the South.
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    Feb 28, 2009 5:07 PM GMT
    Didn't imagine the level of discussion this thread would have started.

    Mozel tov to our token brethren. I'm still waiting for a flamboyantly gay Republican to sashay into office touting an anti-gay agenda (heard through frequent lisps and bouts of girlish laughter).

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    Feb 28, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
    ucla_matta saidDidn't imagine the level of discussion this thread would have started.


    It happens often here:

    How to create a political Flame war!

    1. Consevrative bashes liberals or makes an extraordinary claim without extraordinary proof.
    2. Liberals bash conservative back
    3. both sides entrench--their views become more rigid
    4. Ad Hominem attacks fall like fire-bombs.
    5. People offer their opinions as proof and find any source to cite (often not credible) so long as it supports their views
    6. Conversation on Thread A dies out since those same people are now arguing once more on another: Thread B.
    7. Repeat steps 1 - 6 switching party roles as needed.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 28, 2009 5:44 PM GMT
    GOP Governor Bobby Jindal is a complete idiot for refusing the federal stimulus money. Louisiana being one of the nation's poorest states with some of the worst infrastructure and most deficient public schools could use a tremendous amount of that stimulus money to improve and upgrade its transportation network and aid its school systems. This alone would help create several new jobs. As for all the endless whining about this helping the lazy to sit on their ass, I am sick of hearing that same old song and dance just to cover up for the GOP's carelessness and ignorance. It is wrong to help the poor but it is a A ok to hand it to the super rich to help protect their priviledged country club lifestyles and to hand every material item to their spoiled, undisciplined rich teenaged brats. Undeserved country club lifestyles courtesy of the poor, working class, and the middle class who helped fatten their profits. The worst offenders are the NFL owners who always get costly welfare to build new football stadiums and reap in all the ticket sale profits and not even pay back the taxpayers for funding their luxurious, gigantic playpens. I say tax the wealthy and cut off their welfare and start helping the working people of this country who are truly entitled to it. Outsourcing of jobs to third world countries should also be strictly prohibited and these wealthy, over priviledged bastards should be forced to pay their fair share into the system like the rest of us. If the wealthy refuse to pay their fair share then it is time for the IRS to seize their properties, throw the rich bastards into prison and distribute their wealth equally to the poor, working class, and middle class. Enough of this unequal bullshit of the rich get richer and the mass majority get poorer.icon_mad.gif
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    Feb 28, 2009 8:58 PM GMT
    You know I been been reading thread after thread debating Dems/Liberals against the repuGlicans. And why? Why are we wasting our breath and time w/ repuGlicans? They caused the problems that we are in now. (Maybe not all, but 95% of them.) And yet we continue to grant them an audience. They are simply a waste of time. Both in everyday society and certainly in politics. They are bullies, liars, and just plain mean.
    Cheers, Keith