CNN's Black In America / HIV pandemic in Washington, D.C.

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    Feb 26, 2009 2:57 AM GMT
    Did anyone watch CNN's Black In America tonight?

    Did you know 80% of all HIV infections in Washington, D.C. are in folks identifying as African/Americans in D.C.? Did you know that fully 5% of the population of Washington, D.C. is HIV positive? DId you know that Washington, D.C. has the highest HIV infection rate in The United States? Did you know that 80% of all African/American children are born to single parent / non-father households?

    Please reflect upon the data.

    Please opine (civilly) upon what, if any, course of action should be taken.
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    Feb 26, 2009 3:42 AM GMT

    The only thing they can really do is accelerate education of the public and the only thing the public can do is not have unprotected sex with anyone, but I guess that approach would work just about anywhere, wouldn't it.
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    Feb 26, 2009 6:09 AM GMT
    So 4% of the total population in DC is African American and HIV+? Maybe stop teaching abstinence to sexually active middle/high schoolers and utilize that time to teach safety techniques. Un-demonizing HIV clinics might help lots, too. My health class (along with lifetime specials) made it seem like a scary place at least.
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    Feb 26, 2009 6:30 AM GMT
    They have had signs in the subway cars for quite a few years saying that 1 in 20 people in the District of Columbia is infected with HIV. While it's not the silver bullet...it really makes a person think of the dangers. I think public education, confidential free testing sites, and educating people to be tested at least twice a year regardless if they think they need to or not, would be a great start. Encouraging people to seek immediate medical attention in the event of an accident so that they can get treatment immediately that will prevent infection would also be a very valuable step.

    Although, obviously not all of those HIV cases are in gays, I think there needs to be more done on this from within the community as well. I read a really intense story about a couple that met, had sex, and ended up falling in love, then the one gets diagnosed with HIV and he had to tell this person that he loved that he had potentially exposed him to HIV... man what a burden. Personally, I would never want to do that to another person. The result of reading that story in the local GLBT Center newsletter...I went down and got my first test and started getting tested every six months. I've also shared that story with quite a few people who also decided to go down and get tested. Education works but sometimes we have to look out for our own and use the resources we have - things as simple as a newsletter - to reach the community.

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    Feb 26, 2009 7:19 AM GMT
    damn, don't tell me that... my mr. right is from dc and he's all about bbing... icon_sad.gificon_sad.gif
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    Feb 26, 2009 7:36 AM GMT
    Some African Americans should be more responsible for their behavior. These things are being done to them. They're doing it to themselves.
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    Feb 26, 2009 7:54 AM GMT
    rawr saiddamn, don't tell me that... my mr. right is from dc and he's all about bbing... icon_sad.gificon_sad.gif


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    Feb 26, 2009 8:45 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidDid anyone watch CNN's Black In America tonight?

    Did you know 80% of all HIV infections in Washington, D.C. are in folks identifying as African/Americans in D.C.? Did you know that fully 5% of the population of Washington, D.C. is HIV positive? DId you know that Washington, D.C. has the highest HIV infection rate in The United States? Did you know that 80% of all African/American children are born to single parent / non-father households?

    Please reflect upon the data.

    Please opine (civilly) upon what, if any, course of action should be taken.


    Honestly, a civilly as I can...I can only wonder what self-gratifying mission this thread was made to accomplish.

    Anyways, I watched it. I knew of the statistics long ago before the special. Its extremely horrible. Government officials, politicians, businessmen and women go about walking in and out of their historical mausoleums, carrying on their business, while the rest of Washington D.C, one giant black ghetto, dies a slow death.

    More than anything, the worst evil facing black Americans is the single parent situation. I'm one of the lucky ones. I was born into a two parent family who earns more than 80k, although the money flow is fairly recent. Black Americans (and this country in general) has become too comfortable with single parent households especially single parent households where only the mother takes care of the child. Granted you don't NEED a man AND a woman to take care of a child but our government rewards families of two married people who have children and taking care of children is easier done under two people than one. Obviously the incomes will differ with two parent households usually earning more money.

    As for the HIV epidemic? A couple of factors

    1. HIV stigma
    2. Absense of adequate healthcare
    3. Serial monogamy
    4. Fish-bowl affect
    5. Prevalence of poor education
    6. Cultural machoism/homophobia
    7. That weird racial stress most blacks seem to experience in America

    SparkyCatSome African Americans should be more responsible for their behavior. These things are being done to them. They're doing it to themselves.


    Said the guy who thinks a joke against Rush Limbaugh is a tasteless one. A smarter thing to say is everyone ought to be responsible for their behavior.
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    Feb 26, 2009 8:59 AM GMT
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    The only thing they can really do is accelerate education of the public and the only thing the public can do is not have unprotected sex with anyone, but I guess that approach would work just about anywhere, wouldn't it.


    Heres where the situation seems to become hopeless. There are some black women throughout the country who live in such poverty, with no education, that they have little to no option than to commit to "survival sex", in where the women don't prostitute themselves but are in relationships with men to survive. Whats devestating is that some of these women know if the man is infected with HIV (usually because the guy is or was a drug addict), but they can either choose between being infected with HIV or sitting in the streets homeless getting raped here and there.

    I think a campaign against HIV stigma in the black community is desperately needed. Its simple human nature. People won't test unless they feel they'll be treated right as an HIV positive person. People won't test if they don't think they can get the disease.
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    Feb 26, 2009 2:52 PM GMT
    Citizen Sol!


    BLESS YOU! I could not have said it better.

    As far as Sparky’s comment. That's the same lame rhetoric that the mainstream used to say back in the 80's when the Aids crisis was running muck in the gay white male community, it was STUPID then and even more so now and he should know better! icon_rolleyes.gif Get off your high horse!

    The HIV-AIDS Crisis is still an epidemic the last I heard there is no CURE, therefore it is still a human issue and not a racial one.

    The whole point of the special was to be used as an "OUTREACH" to the community.

    Those of us in the know were not shocked by the number or the graphics.
    I do out reach all the time with a social worker friend of mine.
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    Feb 26, 2009 2:55 PM GMT
    You know, I grew up and live in and around the District. For all it's niceness there really is a bad underbelly of disease and poverty, not just for blacks. It makes me really sad that there are politicians just blocks from people living really shitty lives and nothing is done about it.
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    Feb 26, 2009 2:58 PM GMT
    I was shocked when I was there how diffrent one city block is from another!
    Actually I was mortified it being the nations capital an all.
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    Feb 26, 2009 3:14 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidI was shocked when I was there how diffrent one city block is from another!
    Actually I was mortified it being the nations capital an all.


    The one time I was in Washington DC I was both impressed and dismayed. Very different than Canada's capital, which is one of the cleanest and most civilized cities in Canada (some would say boring).

    The rise in HIV among African-Americans is a tragedy, as is the rise in HIV among Latinos, gay men, etc.. There is no one reason but a combination of factors, including spotty education (teaching abstinence is a waste of time, hopefully Obama's administration will save some money and kill the programs off), the mentality of invincibility common among young people, as well as a hesitancy among some men to use condoms.
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    Feb 27, 2009 5:07 AM GMT
    To set a few things straight :

    1. I am wildly liberal - it's not possible be more to the left than I am.

    2. I think Limbaugh is a lying pig and deserves to ridiculed. However, I think jokes that include scatalogical "humor" and references to Barbara Bush's labia are just dumb.

    3. I think that all people, regardless of race, should be responsible for their own behavior. It's my opinion that many people in the black community feel that their problems are due to discrimination.This is reinforced by the media and popular black leaders. I base that on what I've read in the liberal media (as opposed to the conservative hacks like Fox News). I think that's wrong. Yes, discrimination exists, but judging from the statistics offered in the initial post of this thread, blacks do more damage to themselves than anyone else does. I didn't think my opinion would be popular because it's not politically correct. Sorry. I think everyone, regardless of race, has an obligation to be responsible for their behavior. If that takes an investment of money and resources from society in general to help people achieve empowerment, I'm all in favor of that. But, the process has to start with individuals taking personal responsibility.

    And I'm not on a high horse. I don't even like horses.




    Ducky45 saidCitizen Sol!


    BLESS YOU! I could not have said it better.

    As far as Sparky’s comment. That's the same lame rhetoric that the mainstream used to say back in the 80's when the Aids crisis was running muck in the gay white male community, it was STUPID then and even more so now and he should know better! icon_rolleyes.gif Get off your high horse!

    The HIV-AIDS Crisis is still an epidemic the last I heard there is no CURE, therefore it is still a human issue and not a racial one.

    The whole point of the special was to be used as an "OUTREACH" to the community.

    Those of us in the know were not shocked by the number or the graphics.
    I do out reach all the time with a social worker friend of mine.
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    Feb 27, 2009 5:55 PM GMT
    I just received a flyer in the mail from the AIDS Committee of Toronto (ACT). In the flyer they cited the following statistics for Toronto:

    An estimated 25% of all gay and bi-sexual men in Toronto are HIV+;

    Approximately 30% of those men do not know that they are HIV+;

    The incidence of HIV among the 15 to 24 year old age group of gay and bi-sexual men is increasing.

    Very depressing stats. So this is a problem that is not limited to US big cities.
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    Feb 27, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
    Um... it's nothing new that African/Americans are statistically higher on contracting hiv.
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    Feb 27, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    Sparkycat saidTo set a few things straight :

    1. I am wildly liberal - it's not possible be more to the left than I am.

    2. I think Limbaugh is a lying pig and deserves to ridiculed. However, I think jokes that include scatalogical "humor" and references to Barbara Bush's labia are just dumb.

    3. I think that all people, regardless of race, should be responsible for their own behavior. It's my opinion that many people in the black community feel that their problems are due to discrimination.This is reinforced by the media and popular black leaders. I base that on what I've read in the liberal media (as opposed to the conservative hacks like Fox News). I think that's wrong. Yes, discrimination exists, but judging from the statistics offered in the initial post of this thread, blacks do more damage to themselves than anyone else does. I didn't think my opinion would be popular because it's not politically correct. Sorry. I think everyone, regardless of race, has an obligation to be responsible for their behavior. If that takes an investment of money and resources from society in general to help people achieve empowerment, I'm all in favor of that. But, the process has to start with individuals taking personal responsibility.

    And I'm not on a high horse. I don't even like horses.




    Ducky45 saidCitizen Sol!


    BLESS YOU! I could not have said it better.

    As far as Sparky’s comment. That's the same lame rhetoric that the mainstream used to say back in the 80's when the Aids crisis was running muck in the gay white male community, it was STUPID then and even more so now and he should know better! icon_rolleyes.gif Get off your high horse!

    The HIV-AIDS Crisis is still an epidemic the last I heard there is no CURE, therefore it is still a human issue and not a racial one.

    The whole point of the special was to be used as an "OUTREACH" to the community.

    Those of us in the know were not shocked by the number or the graphics.
    I do out reach all the time with a social worker friend of mine.


    Sparky

    No one said people shouldn't be responsible for their behavior. I more than many people I know believe that. Black people, as well as everyone else, is mostly responsible for there lives, but a simple fiat of "TAKE MORE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY", comes up empty when there are honest to god boundaries standing in people's way. I do believe their are palpable walls standing in the ways of many blacks.

    With the exception of a couple of nuts who thinks AIDS was invented by the government to kill blacks, I haven't seen any other blacks blame HIV/AIDS on discrimination. It seems like you're just talking out of the side of your mouth on this one. I'm all for people sharing their opinion and I even agree with you that blacks need to take more responsibility in certain areas, but this is one issue where I think its over your head.

    While I share your general belief, I still believe blacks are seriously disproportionally more discriminated against when it comes to America's justice system. From the "War On Drugs" (You can be charged with a 5 yr sentence for $500.000 worth of (white) cocaine. With (black) crack-cocaine, you can be charged with a five year sentence for $500 worth) To the alliance of industrialized private prisons and innercity and southern judges, the prison system sucks in black petty criminals, the majority who are in jail for non-violent crimes (typically drug trade related), and turns out hardoned stone cold criminals with no hope of a job and not even the option to vote. U.S. jails have proven itself to make petty criminals more violent, make a criminal more likely to divorice their wives or never marry their partners, and lead a small time marijuana user to a hopeless life.



    So before we all decide there's only a "minimal" amount of discrimination you can shrug off at the drop of a hat, know your facts.