Diversity

  • mcwclewis

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    Feb 26, 2009 9:01 PM GMT
    Just a quick thought.

    Why do we celebrate diversity? Focusing on differences is what alienates people. Maybe we shouldn't focus so much on what makes us different.
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    Feb 26, 2009 10:32 PM GMT
    Our sameness is in itself a thing to be celebrated however, the attributes which make us stand apart from one-another contributes to our pride in heritage.

    I can appreciate human beings as a whole, yet homogeneity is droll.

    I appreciate diversity for the many ways in which it keeps life consistently interesting :-)
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    Feb 26, 2009 10:34 PM GMT
    I get where you are coming from and it's a good point.

    The trouble is, that if we focus on what makes us the same, the people who are different, get left out.
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    Feb 26, 2009 10:40 PM GMT
    mcwclewis saidJust a quick thought.

    Why do we celebrate diversity? Focusing on differences is what alienates people. Maybe we shouldn't focus so much on what makes us different.


    Because people will focus on differences regardless of whether you point it out to them or not because people will take note of negative group traits.
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    Feb 26, 2009 10:41 PM GMT
    You misunderstand the meaning of diversity. It is not that humans should BE diverse, but that we ARE diverse, and yet still remain human. All humans are my brothers & sisters, their diversity a wonder that delights & teaches me.
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    Feb 26, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
    Lost_And_Found saidI get where you are coming from and it's a good point.

    The trouble is, that if we focus on what makes us the same, the people who are different, get left out.


    This is very true too.
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    Feb 26, 2009 10:44 PM GMT
    Embracing diversity means being able to listen to, and maybe be open to, different ideas and ways of doing things that a homogeneous group is used to. Maybe you'll get more ideas to solutions in your work group. Maybe you'll start to like a new music style. Even if you don't, you'll be that much closer to understanding it.

    Taking it personally: Why should straights feel the need to recognize the diversity of gays and lesbians in the world?
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    Feb 26, 2009 11:12 PM GMT
    mcwclewis saidJust a quick thought.

    Why do we celebrate diversity? Focusing on differences is what alienates people. Maybe we shouldn't focus so much on what makes us different.

    Well if one didn't want to celebrate diversity as you so put it then let him take up the rings and the path Hitler and his Nazi's sent forth. For that would be the only way of ceasing diversity- Mass Genocide.

    I think people forget that Diversity yes may be the strongest way to point out everyone's differences but at the same time helps make life more enjoyable to partake in because everything isn't the same ole profoundly droll thing everyday.

    Simliarities and differences are a lot like good and evil you can't have one without the other without their being big problems. For they each complete the equilibrium.
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    Feb 26, 2009 11:19 PM GMT
    I believe in the selfish gene. I think deep down biologically our genes have us programmed to prefer those most like ourselves because they are most likely to be related and share the same genes. The greater the diversity between people the more the genes say to hell with them, helping them isnt going to help me.

    So we need to culturally make the effort to overcoming that deep down lurking suspicion of difference. And that is what celebrating diversity is....culture attempting to overwhelm biology.
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    Feb 26, 2009 11:32 PM GMT
    That's an interesting theory, but what about "opposites attract"?

    If there wasn't something drawing us to diverse gene pools, we'd all look like the extras in The Deliverance.

    ;-)
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    Feb 27, 2009 12:47 AM GMT

    We are all people, but we are not all the same. To deny our differences is to deny the truth. Not accepting differences is what alienates one group from the other, not the differences themselves and certainly not celebrating them.
  • kinetic

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    Feb 27, 2009 12:49 AM GMT
    Variety is the spice of life!
  • mcwclewis

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    Feb 27, 2009 1:30 AM GMT
    Wow. I think I was misunderstood a bit. icon_eek.gif

    First off Im speaking strictly in terms of gay pride, not diversity as a whole. Im sure most of you have seen the stickers and banners that say "celebrate diversity" and things like that. What I was questioning is why we should focus on differences, because doing so only points out things that, well, make us seem "different," in the sense of strange or alien. I understand pride, I just don't understand taking pride specifically in being different. It makes us seem abnormal or wrong to focus on what sets us apart from what is viewed as normal society.

    I didn't say or imply that people should be the same. Im just thinking that maybe focusing on things we have in common with the rest of society, as well as what makes us different, would be more productive than simply taking a "we're different, get used to it." standpoint.

    This was really just a passing thought that I was entertaining and decided to throw into discussion.

    Seriously though... Hitler and Nazis? How the hell did that get into this conversation? That's like, discussing theatre and all of a sudden someone says "I disagree, blue skittles are the best."
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    Feb 27, 2009 2:02 AM GMT
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    Feb 27, 2009 2:05 AM GMT
    Q: how do you catch a unique rabbit?



    A: unique up on it
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    Feb 27, 2009 2:24 AM GMT
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    ....and how do you catch a tame rabbit?






    Tame way.
    Unique up on it.
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    Feb 27, 2009 3:23 AM GMT
    I don't think that diversity is the problem. People not accepting or welcoming diversity is the problem.

    If acceptance was the thing that we all had in common, then the world would be a pretty pleasant place, I'd imagine.
  • imperator

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    Feb 27, 2009 4:33 AM GMT
    mcwclewis saidJust a quick thought.

    Why do we celebrate diversity? Focusing on differences is what alienates people. Maybe we shouldn't focus so much on what makes us different.


    Taking a difference that simply exists in nature without any qualitative value and pretending that it makes one person better than another alienates people. But the acknowledgment and celebration of the things that make us unique isn't damaging. Diversity isn't a problem, it's a fact of life. The problem is when people try to selfishly interpret that fact to their own benefit and the detriment of others.
  • mcwclewis

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    Feb 27, 2009 7:19 AM GMT
    Wow. never mind.
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    Feb 27, 2009 7:34 AM GMT
    We use 'diversity' as an inclusive term to describe the range and breadth of people and communities in an area. Diversity is about respecting and valuing differences in a way that adds value to our understanding and approaches to work. It is also recognising and understanding the mix of people and communities.

    Equality is about fairness, and not discriminating against individuals or groups because of characteristics such as race, age, gender or disability.
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    Feb 27, 2009 7:37 AM GMT
    I hate diversity related crap.. We're all different.. I get it, lets move along.
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    Feb 27, 2009 7:38 AM GMT
    I agree. Tolerance. :-)
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    Feb 27, 2009 8:02 AM GMT
    mcwclewis saidWow. never mind.


    lol
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    Feb 27, 2009 11:03 PM GMT
    mcwclewis saidWow. I think I was misunderstood a bit. icon_eek.gif

    First off Im speaking strictly in terms of gay pride, not diversity as a whole. Im sure most of you have seen the stickers and banners that say "celebrate diversity" and things like that. What I was questioning is why we should focus on differences, because doing so only points out things that, well, make us seem "different," in the sense of strange or alien. I understand pride, I just don't understand taking pride specifically in being different. It makes us seem abnormal or wrong to focus on what sets us apart from what is viewed as normal society.

    I didn't say or imply that people should be the same. Im just thinking that maybe focusing on things we have in common with the rest of society, as well as what makes us different, would be more productive than simply taking a "we're different, get used to it." standpoint.

    This was really just a passing thought that I was entertaining and decided to throw into discussion.

    Seriously though... Hitler and Nazis? How the hell did that get into this conversation? That's like, discussing theatre and all of a sudden someone says "I disagree, blue skittles are the best."


    Is it that you just aren't intelligent enough to see the simliarities in what Hitler did and being different? Do I really have to educate you?icon_wink.gif Cause making idiots know their idiots is my speciality.
    It's not that we misunderstood youicon_question.gif it's that you don't know how to write in a fashion which tells us what you want us to reply to.icon_idea.gif Sometimes actually writing shit out will make more sense than just writing a sentence that you think summarizes what you are thinking about.
  • mcwclewis

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    Feb 28, 2009 2:41 AM GMT
    Wow. Ok then.


    I had a question about a specific phrase commonly used in the context of pride. It was a simple deliberation concerning the fact that I don't think focusing on what makes us different is as effective as it would be to include what makes us the same as well. I was pointing out that I don't agree with the small percentage of the gay population that simple states that people need to get used to them. I am all about acceptance and tolerance, I don't judge people.

    By the way, if I am an idiot, then why did the way you phrased your wording say that what Hitler did is the same is being different? If you want me to type out every word of the thought process that went on when I decided to write this, then I am sad to say it's not going to happen. I do think it's a little harsh of you to be calling me an idiot when it is blatantly obvious that you had no idea what I was trying to say.

    Thank you for being an intolerant and judgemental douchebag, though. I always appreciate someone reminding me that there are assholes in the world, as I generally distance myself from them whenever possible.

    PS: If you think you can educate me on anything, please go ahead. I'm sure my level of understanding will jump exponentially just by reading whatever offensive and poorly written statement you have to make.