Gay Travel - The Best and The Worst Places you encountered!

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    Apr 05, 2007 11:30 PM GMT
    What are some of the BEST and WORST Places you been as a gay single or couple?

    How were you treated by the people there?

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    Apr 06, 2007 9:57 AM GMT
    There are some great places w/great people all over the world, but I would list San Francisco, Mikonos, Crete, Sydney and New York right at the top. Honolulu and Maui also hit the spot for friendly locals. The thought of being treated poorly in any city makes me wonder if an inexperienced traveller might put too much emphasis on being gay rather than being a guest in a foreign country where, given a chance, most natives are proud to show off their better side. There just might be some truth to the "ugly American" nick name that is occasionally thrown at us, but that's got little to do with sexuality. It's often the attitude of "serve me now" and "well, in the USA, we have so much more" that might get you a glare of disgust from some really sweet folks. Anyway, let me get off my soapbox and encourage good manners and a smile wherever you decide to visit. (That also applies to visits to your lover's family.)
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    Apr 06, 2007 4:57 PM GMT
    Montreal, San Francisco, Chicago, Maui, Kona, New York and Boston rank the best for me as a gay man or when I was with a partner.
    I agree that it is often up to the traveler to treat the locals with respect and courtesy and you will bring out their best!

    As for the worst ? Gay people in Trinidad are way paranoid so they have no openly gay anything there.

    My last lTR was from Uzbekistan.... now THERE'S a place you never want to be gay in .... punishment there for homosexual acts? death by hanging.

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    Apr 06, 2007 8:57 PM GMT
    Should be focusing on the good experiences, of which there have been many - but I have to say my 18 hours in Oklahoma were the most unpleasant I've ever experienced - particularly when my partner and I were stopped by the highway patrol without cause, separated, interrogated and ultimately released - while other squad cars roamed the area waiting for an excuse for trouble.

    I've never felt so vulnerable. I will NEVER set foot in that state again for any reason.

    ...and this was before the Patriot Act. Now those fuckers can literally do anything they want with you without recourse...

    Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.
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    Apr 06, 2007 9:46 PM GMT
    I agree with other guys here that as long as you don't step into ultra-conservative locales, you can avoid an unpleasant experience. I echo votes on NY, Montreal, SF, and, if not mentioned already: London.

    Here a couple of other towns to consider:

    I really enjoyed vacationing in Provincetown, Massachusetts with a partner. It can become very crowded on holiday weekends (and take on the appearance of a circuit party town over July 4th), but is far more laid back at other times in the summer. The town is very friendly, and feels somewhat like a gay Mayberry in terms of quaint New England appeal. What I like the most is that you have both day and night options for both active or casual desires. In the day, you can ride bikes in the sand dunes or take in shops; at night, you can eat at great restaurants, see decent art, or party for hours in friendly local bars. Since it's at the tip of Cape Cod, getting there can be a hassle if you drive from Boston.

    A less in-your-face gay-friendly town is Rehoboth Beach Delaware. With nearby outlet malls, tourist shops, and a beachside boardwalk, it's very middle America. The good thing is that there are lots of gay people who go there, there are enough things to do, and folks just seem to think that being gay there is not a big deal. I've made a tradition of visiting friends of mine who spend a good chunk of their summer there.
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    Apr 07, 2007 5:08 PM GMT
    There is good and bad everywhere, there is no city, state, or country that is perfect for everybody. As for the worst place to be gay, I would rate Cincinnati, Ohio one of the most ultra-conservative and homophobic cities in the USA. It is also a very racist metropolis as evidenced by the racial violence that erupted in the deteriorated Over-the Rhine neighborhood six years ago. To all the gay travellers using I-71, and I-75, do not bother wasting your time with the Cincinnati Metro Area just drive through it and pay no attention to this mediocre, declining Ohio Valley metropolis.
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    Apr 08, 2007 7:49 AM GMT
    My Partner and I have been all around China, Spain and Brazil. China and Spain were very hospitable to us as a couple. Brazil treated us as a couple by everybody,the whole time we were there.
    When we entered customs back in the US, we were told to form a single line and enter seperately. In every other country we have visited, we have been treated with repect as the older gay couple we appear to be and allowed to go through customs as a couple.
    Entering the U.S. made us feel we were entering a Gulag and were having our preiously enjoyed rights ripped right from under our feet.
    We have chosen to live our few remainding years in Brasil and Spain.
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    Apr 08, 2007 9:45 AM GMT
    Well have to say that pretty much all the places I have been I've enjoyed..
    Here in the United States I love New York, LA, and I live in Miami so I'm biased :)
    But I also enjoy staying in Ptown and Fire Island
    ...not much for rural places. They're usually a bit too conservative for me

    Over seas...Italy is a favorite of mine
    Venice - Rome - Sorrento
    I was a little disappointed in the Italian gay scene tho...there really wasn't much
    Greece...Mykonos, Santorini and Athens were great
    Spain...Barcelona - Ibiza were both a blast and surprisingly very gay friendly
    My only complaint in places I've been was Istanbul...everybody's a used car salesman there...and you can't enjoy the city without guys bugging you to see their carpet shops
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    Apr 24, 2007 12:04 PM GMT
    A question about the Caribbeans...

    Which islands/districts are gay friendly?
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    Apr 24, 2007 1:24 PM GMT
    Regarding the Caribbean - Vieques (island off he coast of Puerto Rico) is very gay friendly. St Barts (if you can afford it - I haven't been there for many years) was very accepting of me and my partner. St Eustatius (Dutch island in the West Indies) was also very comfortable for me and my partner, but there's not much to do there, so I'm not sure I'd recommend it.

    Other places we've found to be very gay friendly - Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, Valencia and Seville in Spain, and closer to home, the Berkshires in Western Massachusetts. We have a weekend place there (southern Berkshires) and considering this is a rural area (but every much influenced by NYC) we've always been accepted there by locals and tourists alike. Plus all the other places mentioned in other posts.

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    Apr 24, 2007 4:45 PM GMT
    I've never been anywhere where I've encountered anti-gay sentiment either directly or indirectly. In the news there was that gay American who was in Montreal recently and beaten within inches of his life for being gay. There was also in the news about several gay American couples who have been violently attacked in Amsterdam. A few years back the openly gay Paris mayor was stabbed by a Muslim fanatic. And then there was that man who was brutally assaulted in West Hollywood, the gay capital of the world. All these places are traditionally "gay friendly" but you can run into nut jobs anywhere, especially in Europe these days with Muslim radicalization. Personally, I've never encountered it even in Europe. I usually can pass for "straight" but when I'm dating I have no issue about showing affection in public. I used to do it all the time with my ex boyfriend. Sometimes people mistook us for drunken frat brothers, but we never encountered any harassment for showing affection with each other, even in Thailand which is a very conservative country. I even found the people of Oklahoma to be very friendly. The only REAL hostility I ever encountered was from my boyfriend's HR manager, a witch of a woman who probably only spread her legs twice in her life for each child she conceived.

    So I can't judge places in terms of gay friendly. But I can judge them based on beauty, fun and friendliness. The western U.S. wins on all three counts. Nothing comes close. The friendliest cities in MY experience, have been San Diego, New York, Chicago, Salt Lake City, Los Angeles, Honolulu, and Nashville, to name a few. The rudest by far have been Boston, San Francisco, London, Luxembourg (pretty much all of Europe), and Omaha, Nebraska.
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    Apr 24, 2007 4:47 PM GMT
    "which Caribbean islands are most gay friendly"

    my partner and I have been to Aruba now for the past 8 years because its so comfortable and enjoyable. its fairly clear that we're a couple,especially to the Arubian natives we see annually, and noone cares- except for the occasional American from New Jersey.Lots of the restaurant staff members are gay and happily give advice as to places to go whether its dining gay friendly or bar gay friendly.
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    Apr 24, 2007 6:24 PM GMT
    Thanks GunnerMuscle..

    Been to Aruba only one time with my ex and it was nice, but was dissapointed by the water quality at the beach, its murky and not the best for snorkling (I grew up with that in North Africa.) But it is gay friendly. by that I mean we did not get any looks even when out of the resort.

    Friends of mine who has been to Jamaca told me the water there is much clearer but not so gay friendly once you leave the resort, and probably not so safe once you leave the resort.

    So I wanted to check out if any other memebers know about the other islands.

    And add to cutejokemasc's experience.. Europe was actually very friendly to my experience. NYC actually, even though I lived here since 1981, to me is the most rude.. This is a general statement... It is gay friendly at certain areas of the town and suprisingly very homophobic in other areas. Everytime I come back from LA & SF from family visits, I always thought "Geesh, can't you say excuse me?" or wonder if someone should not hold the subways doors or people who bump into you during rush hours not saying sorry but giving you ditrty looks...

    So I guess it is a very personal experience..
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    Apr 24, 2007 6:30 PM GMT
    By the way, gay bashing that happend in Montreal is not unique to Canada.

    I live in the middle of Chelsea, gay central in Manhattan. And we even had crimes like that, the gay club kid that got stabbed to death right in front of Viceroy resturant on 8th Ave and 18th street, the recent beatings by gruops of teens with baseball bats, also not solved. The list of gay hate crimes that happen right here in Chelsea goes on and on...

    The fact is, a lot of homophobic, ignornat gay bashers from other areas of the town such as Long Island and New Jersey often take gay bashing trips, and where do you think they go for that task? Of course to the most gay area they have heard of...
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    Apr 24, 2007 9:48 PM GMT
    NYCMusc4Musc, statistically one is more likely to be gay bashed in Canada than in the United States. The stereotype of sweet innocent cherubs dancing to the music of love and tolerance in Canada is a bit inane not to mention innacurate. That portrait is about as realistic as the image of gun-toting Americans having shootouts in the streets and raping babies in the gutter. Have you ever been to Winnepeg to watch a hockey game? Ever heard of Europe's neo-Nazis and soccer hooligans. Well watch out for uneducated redneck hockey hooligans who are literally inbred and capable of brutal violence. (Read a Winnepeg or Edmonton newspaper online.)
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    Apr 24, 2007 10:25 PM GMT
    And where is your RELIABLE source of that "statics?"

    I hope its not from Howard Stern show as you suggested in another post.

    It also does not prove ANYTHING if one provide some link to some BAD research with tons of flaws on here.

    Please, if you have to post such a statement as if it is FACTUAL, the only INTELLIGENT adult thing to do is to support it with reliable and sound studies.

    Again, it is up to the person making these claims to show that these studies are not of BAD science.

    How was the study conducted? How was the crime classified as hate crime against gays? How was the data collected? What was the source of the data collected? Was there any follow up to prove the crimes were not of hate crimes? The span of time period the data was collected. THE LIST GOES ON.

    Only fools will take in bad science as facts. It is also offensive for other members to post something you did not support with evidence form GOOD research studies. it is also irrepsonsible to state these statics without informing the details of the studies then pass them off as facts.

    I dare you, give me the links. I do research and I teach in my profession. I will read them and giv eyou my 2 cents if these are good studies or bad science.
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    Apr 24, 2007 10:32 PM GMT
    Neo Nzis do exist in Canada and it is a problem. But so is it in this country.

    You can read Canadian newspapers bout it, but also some online sites about this and documentaries about this in THIS country.

    This does NOT mean one place has more of it than another.

    I personally do not know the facts, SO I will not, as an intelliigent ault, post it as if I do know the facts.

    Just reading some newspapers or online sites and not considering if they are trying to break headlines and deliver a sensational story, and THEN MAKE the CONCLUSION as if this is indeed FACTUAL based on what I gathered from the above sources bu tnot good scientific studies WOULD JUST MAKE MYSELF APPEAR simplistic and lack critical thinking.
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    Apr 24, 2007 10:38 PM GMT
    And how did you assume the existence of "The stereotype of sweet innocent cherubs dancing to the music of love and tolerance in Canada is a bit inane not to mention innacurateme that there exists"

    The neo Nazi movement in Canada is not unknown to many. It even enjoyed a increase of momentum with the increase of minority imigrants in Canada.

    But to state that it is a bigger problem in Canada, you need to provide evidence.

    It maybe, it may not be, I certainly will not pass it of as a fact on here unless I know better.

    Since you made that claim, you must have read some sound and reible studies COMPARING the neo nazi movement in the US and Canada, right?

    Remember, to make the claim you did, a COMPARATIVE study had to be done.

    Show me and educate me.
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    Apr 24, 2007 10:54 PM GMT
    Also PLEASE do not distract fomr the topic that was orginally postd here..

    ALSO PLEASE, if you wish to support your claim, DO NOT manipulatively scatter your arguments all over the place.

    In short, You made the claim one is more stastically gay bashed in Canada than the US.

    Before you SAY ANYTING, PROVE THAT CLAIM WITH A SOUND AND RELIABLE COMPARATIVE STUDY between gay bashing in the US and Canada.

    REPEAT: SOUND, RELIABLE, and COMPARATIVE study.

    If you cant, then you are resorting the predicatble pattern of distarcting fomr the arguement because you lack concret and sound evidence to support your claim. Period.
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    Apr 24, 2007 11:04 PM GMT
    Cutejockmasc

    Why do you have such a compulsive need to compare US the other countries and cultures? You do this in EVERY forum. This forum was about vacations. Your compulsive need to make these generalizations about both the US and other countries is amost pahtological and highly disturbing.

    Again, bfore you SAY ANYTING, PROVE YOUR CLAIM WITH A SOUND AND RELIABLE COMPARATIVE STUDY between gay bashing in the US and Canada.

    REPEAT: SOUND, RELIABLE, and COMPARATIVE study.

    If you resort to the distraction and name calling as you do in numerous other posts, then you just proved that you cannot do anything new when it comes to particiapting in healthy and thought provoking discussions like an adult.

    So do somethign different. Provide the evidence FIRST before you say anything.
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    Apr 24, 2007 11:09 PM GMT
    Get a life NY. Read our own posts and then talk about an obsession with comparing. If the truth upsets your world balance of things, that's hardly my concern. And for all you fucking puppet heads who keep wanting me to provide you with your precious data to prove the US isn't the death cult of the world, I have already done it in other posts--with responses like "that web site isn't accurate!" "You can't believe that!" "That man has an agenda; he's not truthful!" In the meantime, all you brilliant brain surgeons: WHERE ARE YOUR FUCKING STATISTICS TO PROVE THAT I'M WRONG?? You lazy pontificating CNN-watching bafooons.
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    Apr 24, 2007 11:10 PM GMT
    P.S. neo Nazism IS NOT a problem in the United States. Neither is soccer hooliganism. Brain dead people who beleive what their marxist professors and the TV tells them ARE a problem, however.
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    Apr 24, 2007 11:15 PM GMT
    NOTHING NEW.

    PREDICATBLE.

    NAME CALLING.

    DISTRACTION.

    See, you behaved EXACTLY you did in all other forums.

    I hope anyone with intelligence can make sound judgements concerjning your posts.

    I have a life, do you??
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    Apr 24, 2007 11:23 PM GMT
    Just what I figured, no data to prove I'm wrong. Oh well. Just another religion.
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    Apr 24, 2007 11:27 PM GMT
    Abusive language and profanity just shows how insecure and inapt you are when it comes to supporting your claims.

    You have used abusive language against so many other members on this site, turning healthy discussions into name calling, every time.

    Beyond showing the lack of ability of support what you claim as facts, being abusive also shows your character.

    Wait till the postmaters of this site sees your posts on this forum and many, many other forums.