MONEY IS WORTHLESS

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    Feb 27, 2009 6:43 PM GMT
    Found this video series from Zeitgeist. Pretty engaging...

    if we think about it really, paper money is just paper...















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    Feb 27, 2009 6:50 PM GMT
    Agreed...

    I disgussed this with friends the other day. Started with me saying

    You know what...Diamonds are just rocks in the dirt.

    makes you question the entire system of value
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    Feb 27, 2009 6:54 PM GMT
    AMT87 saidAgreed...

    I disgussed this with friends the other day. Started with me saying

    You know what...Diamonds are just rocks in the dirt.

    makes you question the entire system of value



    Makes you question about everything. What value are we really working for in our own lives... how unfair things are valued...
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    Feb 27, 2009 7:14 PM GMT
    Things have the value we all agree to assign to them. If I receive a certain number of pieces of paper, with numbers on them, in return for a given amount of work, I trust that those pieces of paper will have an equivalent value when I give them to someone else to obtain other goods & services for myself. The paper itself is intrinsically worthless, but in a stable society the assigned value of that paper has very real worth.

    Other tangible things generally have value based on the labor and difficulty of producing & obtaining them. The metal gold is rarer in nature and more difficult to obtain than iron, and so it's more relatively valuable.

    In a similar way, sports players and entertainers can earn greater incomes than factory workers, because their abilities are judged more unique, making very many other people willing to pay to enjoy them. A Madonna has something special in demand by millions, whereas most of us have little in demand by anyone. She's a mega-millionaire, most of the rest of us are not.

    Value can be at once a social construct, an issue of relative rarity, and a matter of need. Water, the most common thing on Earth, can be priceless to a living creature who's dying of thirst.

    So indeed, "Diamonds are just rocks in the dirt" until humans want them badly enough to go to the great trouble of extracting them and converting them into precious gemstones. So it has always been with the concept of value.
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    Feb 27, 2009 9:58 PM GMT
    In the future, paper money will no longer be necessary. Also, there will be a truce between the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire (as difficult as some of you might find that to comprehend).

    Seriously...Gene Roddenberry predicted it all.
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    Feb 27, 2009 10:16 PM GMT
    mikes39 saidIn the future, paper money will no longer be necessary. Also, there will be a truce between the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire (as difficult as some of you might find that to comprehend).

    Seriously...Gene Roddenberry predicted it all.


    Yeah, but then the Ferengi will come along and reintroduce commerce into the known universe and pretty soon you'll be giving hand jobs to Yridian business men for a couple slips of latinum so you can afford a hit of ketracel white.

    Oh, and the Klingon/UFP alliance might be great for chicks that get off on ridged Klingon kock, but all they do is hurt my butt and send me to sickbay for a dermal regeneration.
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    Feb 27, 2009 10:31 PM GMT
    yeah and oil was just black sticky stuff in the ground until we made our economies dependant on it and now we have to pay loads of money to Venezuela and hostile arab countries to get it.

    Daym.

    (simplified world, but the point is still kinda true...)
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    Feb 27, 2009 10:44 PM GMT
    But what should we do instead, do you propose? Trade goats for beer? Revert to bimetallism? Because we all know that shit didn't work (Gresham's law!) No, no, sir. Money, even though it has no intrinsic value, is absolutely necessary.
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    Feb 27, 2009 11:06 PM GMT
    Just love the smell of Old Money. It's one of the things, one thinks would be enjoyable about NY. It still has the smell of old money.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 27, 2009 11:19 PM GMT
    Like anythiing, it's not about what something is intrinsically worth or appears to be but, what it represents and what value we assign to it. More simply put, I don't need money but the people I owe do! ;)
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    Feb 27, 2009 11:20 PM GMT
    I like to fill my bathtub with money and roll around in it.
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    Feb 28, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
    mikes39 saidI like to fill my bathtub with money and roll around in it.


    Could you hand me the loofa?
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    Feb 28, 2009 3:44 AM GMT
    mikes39 saidI like to fill my bathtub with money and roll around in it.


    I try to avoid touching it....

    I'm of reminded of this every time I'm in a club and see guys leaving the bathroom with unwashed hands taking dollar bills and shoving them down another guys shorts icon_neutral.gif
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    Feb 28, 2009 4:23 AM GMT
    feel free to send me all your worthless paper and I promise to dispose of it fairly
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    Mar 11, 2009 5:53 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    mikes39 saidIn the future, paper money will no longer be necessary. Also, there will be a truce between the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire (as difficult as some of you might find that to comprehend).

    Seriously...Gene Roddenberry predicted it all.


    Yeah, but then the Ferengi will come along and reintroduce commerce into the known universe and pretty soon you'll be giving hand jobs to Yridian business men for a couple slips of latinum so you can afford a hit of ketracel white.

    Oh, and the Klingon/UFP alliance might be great for chicks that get off on ridged Klingon kock, but all they do is hurt my butt and send me to sickbay for a dermal regeneration.


    Now, see, I never got that! "We're more culturally advanced, we work for the betterment of ourselves and others rather than for money, so we don't get paid-- all our needs are met because we have cheap, abundant energy and the ability to fabricate whatever we want from the atoms on up." Then along come the Ferengi, who still employ (to use the term mildly) money. And suddenly every un-paid Starfleet officer is carrying around currency to spend on alien card games. How the f**k does that happen? It seems like there should be a total economic incompatibility there; because as soon as a Ferengi realizes his 'hoomon' customer got their cash out of a replicator, it ought to be rendered worthless. "Oh, you'll ante up with your lovely gold pocket watch? What do I care!? If you lose it you'll just have your gimme-box whip you up a new one."

    People who derive their goods and petty cash from payment for their services shouldn't be capable of doing business with other people who get everything for free while they work for work's own sake.

    For that matter, if no one on Federation Earth gets paid for doing their jobs, what kind of system or formula determines who gets to live in the bachelor apartments and who gets to live in the refurbished 19th century mansions that survived WWIII? Because there are only so many of those around, and enlightened or ennobled or not, if I'm a doctor and I'm living in 1000 sq.ft. while some flower arranger or someone "between jobs" is in a French chateau because they requisitioned a place to live from the 'housing bank' the day before I did, I think I'd be irritated. And how do people even get jobs, anyway? If someone can get the same house and car and living standard whether they become a doctor or a flower arranger, where's the incentive to put in an extra 8 or 10 years of schooling to become the doctor?

    As much as I like Rodenberry's vision of future society, the economic questions have *always* bugged me. No one is going to feel a deep personal 'calling' to become a toilet de-clogger if they can enjoy the same standard of life as a talentless musician or as a porn holo-novelist, so then who's gonna' fill the necessary position of de-clogging the toilets?
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    Mar 11, 2009 2:46 PM GMT
    Handjobs anyone? Just 2 Latinum. 5 for a blowjob.