Bottom Nation

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    Oct 14, 2007 11:45 PM GMT
    So i have seen a reoccuring theme in the US and its slightly disturbing, most guys i have met or chatted with have this one way mindset and are obsessed with bottoming. And not just bottoming, bareback as well. I just want to see what you opions and experiences with this issue/phenomenon.
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    Oct 15, 2007 5:00 AM GMT
    no takers
  • puttputt

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    Oct 15, 2007 6:15 AM GMT
    There does seem to be an increase in unprotected sex lately (or so I've heard from the counselor at the HIV testing clinic I used to go to). Although, just because they're saying all these things in an online chat doesn't mean that they REALLY mean it. For some people, unsafe sex is just a fantasy that doesn't translate into real life behavior.
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    Oct 15, 2007 7:00 AM GMT
    very true but it scares me especially with a growing population of young gay teens who arent educated in gay sex. schools tend to forget that we exsist when they teach sex ed
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    Oct 15, 2007 9:10 AM GMT
    The fact is HIV infection is still way to high in the gay population, especially in the under 25 group. One estimate puts about 50% of new infections in the under 25 age group in Toronto.

    Stats like that have convinced me to start getting involved in the local AIDS group to spread the word of safer sex among gays. I will start training next spring in time for pride. We need to start taking more responsibility for our actions!

    I don't think young people realize that HIV is no picnic to have, once you are infected your whole life changes (I should know). The meds are expensive and have side effects and for some people don't work. All this aggravation for a little pleasure with someone who doesn't necessarily care about you, it just does not make sense.
  • madtyme

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    Oct 16, 2007 1:06 AM GMT
    I agree the amount of uneducated teens is horrid. I mean if we as a society keep complaining about why we have such a high hiv rating, maybe teens should be taught better, and that includes gay teens. lol I mean seriously people have an addiction to bb-ing. I don't understand exactly why. I can understand in a commited relationship that makes since. But other than that with random people Ill never understand that... I for one do bareback, but Its with my bf, that Ive been with for over a year and have been tested together, I trust him and we both know each other is clean. But the randomness. wow... icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 16, 2007 12:16 PM GMT
    "I mean seriously people have an addiction to bb-ing. I don't understand exactly why."

    I can think of several reasons why. Barebacking has become fetishized, and there's more and more bareback porn flooding the market. There's also complacency born of the perception that with the new medications, HIV is merely a treatable chronic condition, like diabetes. And douchebags like Andrew Sullivan reinforce that perception with proclamations that the AIDS plague is over.
  • Kevin82

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    Oct 17, 2007 2:02 AM GMT
    I think it is scary too.. Not just because of HIV but other STD's, in particular HPV. Guys there are strains that are asymptomatic and if you have it in you're rectum...colon cancer. Not to mention you can definetly get a bacterial infection in your penis being unprotected.
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    Oct 18, 2007 11:41 AM GMT
    FYI
    condoms do not protect you against HPV. I goes through latex
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    Oct 18, 2007 12:04 PM GMT
    wildboyorl - HPV does not go through latex (the particles are too large to permeate), but you bring up a good point.

    Condoms only help reduce the risk of HPV infection since it's transmitted by skin-to-skin contact.

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    Oct 18, 2007 7:09 PM GMT
    Whats HPV?
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    Oct 18, 2007 8:17 PM GMT
    HPV is Human papillomavirus - the virus that causes genital warts.

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    Oct 19, 2007 2:16 AM GMT
    So, guys can actually get the HPV vaccination just like girls do. But, insurance won't cover it. It's 3 shots - - each 2 months apart - - and costs around $200 per shot. The current vaccination protects against 4 different strains of HPV - - the four most common that cause genital warts.

    There is a newer vaccination coming out that will protect against something like 6-8 strains. I don't know anything more about the new one though.
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    Oct 19, 2007 7:42 PM GMT
    Condoms do not protect you from HPV.. it is skin to skin.. 1/4 gay man carry the virus and are unaware of it..
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    Oct 21, 2007 8:32 AM GMT
    To respond to the original post...

    I've always been mostly a bottom, though there have been a few occasions when I've topped. I have noticed in the last few years that its getting more and more difficult to find someone that's primarily a top... which leads me to wonder what all the bottoms in this country are going to do when nobody wants to top any more... icon_confused.gif

    As for the whole barebacking thing... I can't wrap my brain around why anyone would take the chance. I know we've come a long way in the treatment of HIV, and I know that condoms are not 100% effective all the time... and I do remember a time when gay men wouldn't have even thought of using a condom... but I'd rather have as much protection as is available than have none.

    As for HPV and other STDs that transmit in easier and/or different ways than HIV... it really drives home the point that when you have sex with someone, you really don't know what you're exposing yourself to...
  • asupas

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    Oct 24, 2007 11:52 PM GMT
    I think most people share your concern... I frankly lose all interest when I find out a guy is into the bareback stuff. It just doesn't seem worth it to me in ANY situation. When I was with a guy for several years I tried both and it honestly didn't feel drastically different. I guess I have a hard time understanding why anyone would take the risk outside of a committed monogamous relationship.
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    Oct 27, 2007 2:20 AM GMT
    THe other thing about HPV that is of concern is that it can lead to anal cancer, so when you get a physical each year guys, ask for an anal pap smear. If they can detect something f'ed up early on, you can hopefully avoid some major unpleasantness down the road. Especially, but not only, if you're HIV positive.
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    Oct 31, 2007 12:59 AM GMT
    I've noticed it too, the bareback thing. I miss the good old days but that is not a chance I take. I am getting quite a bit of pressure to bareback though.
    It might ruin my plans to become an old fluff someday.
    I don't plan to change my obsession with bottoming.
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    Nov 13, 2007 8:14 PM GMT
    Cover your Cock with Rubber Get Tested every month and don't fuck every guy you think is cute.
  • zakariahzol

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    Nov 13, 2007 10:54 PM GMT
    Bottom nation?. Strangely I dont feel that way. Most of the guys I met wanted me to bottom (when I want to top). For the last 15 years I have not done any anal sex. But last month I got into it with some kid in the gay sauna after he rolled a condom in my dick and sitting on it. Frankly, I feel good. Back in my twenties I used to do back backing (top) with one lover but changes to safer sex after reliasing the risk I am taking. Those days I dont like to use condom. It feel rubber like and sometimes my dick go limp when I put it on. That is why I just dont do anal sex ,when it just not enjoyable any more.

    But now , I am willing to explore this thing some more. To bad that encounter with that kid is a one nite stand kinda things. I love to screw him some more with a condom on.
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    Nov 14, 2007 4:36 PM GMT
    NASTY MAN YOUicon_exclaim.gificon_wink.gif
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    Nov 15, 2007 2:17 AM GMT
    Ah the sweet naiveté of the posters who think they are safe barebacking within the confines of their relationship.icon_eek.gif
  • jrs1

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    Jan 18, 2010 2:11 AM GMT
    I like the feel of bottoming more than I like topping; caveat: with most guys.

    but I now know that it really depends on each guy. if he can make it worth my while to be inside of him and pound the moans out of his hot mouth ... then I will.

    but if the guy looks like he could arrest me with his cock, I'm not going to complain. so when it comes to bottoming, my response should be: " I would like to, more often than not, but it depends on the guy. "

    example ... this is a guy I would ' brand ' ... (he's a bottom):

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    Neomuscle

    but this is a guy whom I love to ' brand, ' pound, and accost me:

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    JohannLon
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    Jan 18, 2010 1:15 PM GMT
    I haven't notice any increase in either. Negative tops who are into barebacking do seem to feel they have a case for going without rubbers, but it hardly seems worth it considering all the other risks.
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    Jan 18, 2010 3:59 PM GMT
    Xpreso saidSo i have seen a reoccuring theme in the US and its slightly disturbing, most guys i have met or chatted with have this one way mindset and are obsessed with bottoming. And not just bottoming, bareback as well. I just want to see what you opions and experiences with this issue/phenomenon.

    Well, my opinion will likely be branded as nonsense, but here goes...

    The reason most American guys are bottoms is because most of them are cut.

    What little pleasure they are able to get from what remains of their cock is much less than the pleasure they get from having a dick in their ass.

    As for barebacking.... same general issue: because cut cocks are missing so many of the parts that provide sexual pleasure compared to an intact cock, and a condom effectively forms a barrier cutting off whatever little sensation is left, most guys will opt for barebacking as it at least provides a little sensation for the top with his cut cock.

    Some facts for you to consider:

    The foreskin comprises roughly 50% (and sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis. This highly specialized tissue normally covers the glans (head of the penis) and protects it from abrasion, drying, callusing (also called keratinization), and keeps the glans sensitive.

    The frenar band is a group of soft ridges at the end of the foreskin. This region is the primary erogenous zone of the intact male body. Loss of this tissue reduces the fullness and intensity of sexual response

    Circumcision removes the most important sensory component of the foreskin - thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types. Together these detect subtle changes in motion and temperature, as well as fine gradations in texture, all of which make the sexual experience more intense.

    The frenulum is a highly erogenous V-shaped structure on the underside of the glans that tethers the foreskin. During circumcision it is frequently either amputated with the foreskin or severed, which destroys or diminishes its sexual and physiological functions.