Every Day, a LGBT person confronts violence

  • metta

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    Mar 03, 2009 5:27 PM GMT
    Every day, somewhere in this country, an LGBT person confronts the real threat of violence. Yet even though anti-LGBT hate crimes are on the rise, there are no federal protections against these attacks.

    But that can change, if we all act urgently.

    The Matthew Shepard Act would finally cover LGBT people under our nation's hate crimes laws. Hundreds of HRC activists will be on Capitol Hill Thursday talking with their lawmakers about this bill – will you back them up with an email?


    Please ask Congress to support the Matthew Shepard Act:


    http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/pass_shepard










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    Mar 03, 2009 5:36 PM GMT
    I cannot believe that law has not passed as yet. Probably the same BS from some small-minded Christian conservatives about "special rights" for gay people. Or "propagating the homosexual agenda". I am so tired of bigotry and hate masquerading as concern for society.
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    Mar 03, 2009 6:07 PM GMT
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    Mar 03, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    Proud support of the HRc, and already sent off my letter. So none of us have to live in fear.
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    Mar 03, 2009 10:28 PM GMT
    And everyday a person is forced to insure the acid toung of a bitter queen, or the aggression of a dyke. We are not just the victims, we are also the perpetrators too.

    Look at all the abuse that goes on here!
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    Mar 04, 2009 12:17 AM GMT
    Pattison saidAnd everyday a person is forced to insure the acid toung of a bitter queen, or the aggression of a dyke. We are not just the victims, we are also the perpetrators too.

    Look at all the abuse that goes on here!


    That is a topic different thread. Please stay focused on the issue at hand.
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    Mar 04, 2009 12:33 AM GMT
    there's a law that allows people to assault gays? aren't we all protected by existing laws against assault? verbal and physical abuse? for a group that strives to be "part of society" its odd to me that we would seek special victims status through legislation, this won't prevent violence against gays. considering 14% of hate crimes are gender/sexuality based is this act required? of that 14% what amount is attributed to hate crimes against women? when a straight man is assaulted by a gay man or by a woman will he garner access to become a victim of "hate"?
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    Mar 04, 2009 12:43 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    Pattison saidAnd everyday a person is forced to insure the acid toung of a bitter queen, or the aggression of a dyke. We are not just the victims, we are also the perpetrators too.

    Look at all the abuse that goes on here!


    That is a topic different thread. Please stay focused on the issue at hand.
    Sorry one did feel I was on track, as it's a two way highway, and not a one way street.
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    Mar 04, 2009 12:46 AM GMT
    Pattison saidAnd everyday a person is forced to insure the acid toung of a bitter queen, or the aggression of a dyke. We are not just the victims, we are also the perpetrators too.

    Look at all the abuse that goes on here!


    You really think the heated discussions that go on here are as bad as physical violence?
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    Mar 04, 2009 12:55 AM GMT
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    Pattison saidAnd everyday a person is forced to insure the acid toung of a bitter queen, or the aggression of a dyke. We are not just the victims, we are also the perpetrators too.

    Look at all the abuse that goes on here!


    You really think the heated discussions that go on here are as bad as physical violence?



    I think Pattison's point is that all groups are capable of perpetuating hate, whether that be thru violence or words, it doesnt matter, both are illegal. The real irony here is that is viewed as a victory, when its nothing more than furthering the societal viewpoint that we are inferior, "oh look at those homos, they need special protection because they ARE lesser citizens"
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    Mar 04, 2009 1:08 AM GMT
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    MonkeyPuck said

    I think Pattison's point is that all groups are capable of perpetuating hate, whether that be thru violence or words, it doesnt matter, both are illegal. The real irony here is that is viewed as a victory, when its nothing more than furthering the societal viewpoint that we are inferior, "oh look at those homos, they need special protection because they ARE lesser citizens"


    I think Pattison should speak for himself and not have people try to figure out what he is saying.

    As per your point, it has nothing to do with seeking protection as lesser citizens. It is about recognizing that when a LGBT person is assaulted due to being LGBT that the intent is to intimidate a larger community and is not just one person assaulting another. My guess is you don't believe in hate-crime law in general, but that would be for you to clarify. If that is the case then you and I would have a fundamental difference on the subject.
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    Mar 04, 2009 1:34 AM GMT
    MonkeyPuck said
    scottycdn said
    MonkeyPuck said

    I think Pattison's point is that all groups are capable of perpetuating hate, whether that be thru violence or words, it doesnt matter, both are illegal. The real irony here is that is viewed as a victory, when its nothing more than furthering the societal viewpoint that we are inferior, "oh look at those homos, they need special protection because they ARE lesser citizens"


    I think Pattison should speak for himself and not have people try to figure out what he is saying.

    As per your point, it has nothing to do with seeking protection as lesser citizens. It is about recognizing that when a LGBT person is assaulted due to being LGBT that the intent is to intimidate a larger community and is not just one person assaulting another. My guess is you don't believe in hate-crime law in general, but that would be for you to clarify. If that is the case then you and I would have a fundamental difference on the subject.


    We would have some fundamental differences of opinion on a lot of issues I am sure. I would never accept that a beating, chastisement, or even murder is based on a larger agenda unless carried out by a member of a defined group with known intention to cause harm. These types of activities and organizations are also already illegal. Random violence based on rage or hate or whatever are typically one-off scenarios.

    My point was not to state that we are seeking this as lesser citizens but that the very action of creating this legislation will reaffirm in the minds of the majority that we are indeed lesser. "See they aren't equal, they need legislation that exceeds what we have as "normal" folks".
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    Mar 04, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
    scottycdn said I would never accept that a beating, chastisement, or even murder is based on a larger agenda unless carried out by a member of a defined group with known intention to cause harm.


    This would be the crux of where we disagree and I don't think either of us want to have a protracted argument about it. I guess the way I see it is that a person can act independently with the intent to intimidate and that if that link can be made then the act of trying to intimidate a large group goes beyond the actual crime. Take graffiti for example. There is a world of difference between painting a smily face on a Synagogue and panting a swastika. The latter is designed to strike fear into the community the former is being an asshole. I don't think person would have to be member of a group with a known agenda for us to figure out what they are trying to do. But again, this is clearly where we differ.
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    Mar 24, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
    Help pass hate crimes legislation once and for all.




    https://secure.ga3.org/03/a_hate_crimes/nQd1M5_MaBTLu?

    http://www.endthelies.org
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    Mar 26, 2009 2:13 PM GMT



    hotshotcdn, cdn in your handle stands for Canadian, right? So, on that, we'd like to say that you are currently protected by Canada's hate crime laws. Our cousins in the US are not, and we feel they deserve such protections.


    When you said, "The real irony here is that is viewed as a victory, when its nothing more than furthering the societal viewpoint that we are inferior, "oh look at those homos, they need special protection because they ARE lesser citizens"

    .....really gays need special protection because of historic persecution from those that think gays are inferior and think that everyone else thinks so too.

    Bill and I went through a pretty horrific experience with haters, and even with hate legislation, there were cracks in the laws that we slipped through.



    Until you've been on the receiving end of this type of hate, it's easy to see little need for this legislation.

    -Doug of meninlove