Switching out the incandescent bulbs...

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    Oct 15, 2007 2:49 AM GMT
    I have just switched out all of my incandescent bulbs for fluorescent bulbs today. I have to buy new floor lamps, cuz the two I have wont take fluorescent bulbs.

    I think Canada has mandated the end of incandescent bulbs by 2009 (am I right?). America, of course, is dragging its little fanny.

    I hope everyone is either making the switch...or that this post gets you thinking about it.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 15, 2007 2:56 AM GMT
    OK....Caslon if you say so.....

    Actually probably not a bad idea, I have taken some steps Caslon, so I expect words of praise from you.icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 15, 2007 3:00 AM GMT
    "some steps" ...like what?
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 15, 2007 3:03 AM GMT
    I have them in 3 lamps and have some new ones in my garage along with the rest of the traditional bulbs.
    See I'm making an effort!
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    Oct 15, 2007 3:15 AM GMT
    My new apartment will not have any incandescent bulbs....time for me to stop talking about caring and not doing anything about it
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    Oct 15, 2007 3:28 AM GMT
    Here in Australia, the old bulbs will out by 2009 and we are already seeing less of them on the shelves to purrchase as we are encouraged to replace them with the new type.

    However there is one down side to these bulbs, and that is in rooms where the light is on for only a short time ie: the toilet, or bathroom, they are more expensive to turn on.

    I am currently in my house turning it all to solar and selling my excess electricity back into the grid.

    Anything to save our planet is good.

    I have even sold the car and only use a bike now.
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    Oct 15, 2007 3:28 AM GMT
    sorry but flourescent bulbs make you look horrible. I do my part in other ways. Living in New York I am able to take Public transportation everywhere that I go. Better than that I personally installed two ceiling fans in my apt this summer so that I could avoid the use of air conditioning.
  • Salubrious

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    Oct 15, 2007 3:56 AM GMT
    I prefer LEDs... we're going to get there soon, and then florescent will be a thing of the past.
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    Oct 15, 2007 4:46 AM GMT
    I'm in Australia also, Handstuart, and I have completely changed my home over to fluoros, except for some halogen downlights and fancies in the bathroom. You can't get the fluoro alternatively for them yet.

    Its a good idea, it does save you money and the environment.
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    Oct 15, 2007 6:15 AM GMT
    I switched all of our bulbs out over a year ago. We also recycle and/or reuse everything we can, we've switched all the cleaning supplies over to plant-based cleaners (which work great, surprisingly... plus they smell great).

    I either walk or take public transportation to and from work, and we do all our errands and shopping together on one day, in the same car. We try our best to buy items with minimal packaging with the highest post-consumer recycled materials, we look for locally made and/or grown items, and we buy produce that's certified organic. I use recycled paper in my computer printer, and I've even switched the cat litter to a wheat-based litter because its healthier for the cat and the environment, as opposed to the bentonite clay and silica in most litters.

    We've found that, overall, we're actually saving money without giving up quality or convenience. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 15, 2007 3:02 PM GMT
    Fantastic, you all!!!!

    I have noticed that it takes a bit for the bulbs to come up to full light.

    Now to get Al Gore to run for president! See Gay News and Events. He would crush everybody else and the World would celebrate like it was the Millennium all over again. But I digress... icon_biggrin.gif
  • art_smass

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    Oct 15, 2007 3:36 PM GMT
    I lived with my younger sister for a while. She was always eager to buy products that were rated as energy efficient, like these new fluorescent bulbs. Still, every day I would walk around behind her, turning off lights that her and her kid left on. She would run the dishwasher on the pot scrubber cycle despite the fact that it had a low energy feature. She would open her bedroom window in winter then crank the furnace up. She would drive to the gym to walk on the treadmill for half an hour, while I would walk there (twenty minutes each way) to do my cardio and weight workouts.

    Environmentally-friendly products are great, but I don't know how good they do when the people who use them can be such schmucks. If you asked my sister to define herself, she'd probably call herself an environmentalist, and that's just sad.
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    Oct 15, 2007 4:28 PM GMT
    About 90% of my house is on the flourescent bulbs and I actually have more light overall so I prefer the new curly Qs. I don't have them in the bathroom because of the previously mentioned "instant on" need for full light. I am also installing a new energy effiecient furnace this year.
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    Oct 15, 2007 4:31 PM GMT
    Once the gerbil craze died down, we trained our gerbils to run on wheels to generate power for us. Our crawlspace is abuzz with gerbil activity 24/7.
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    Oct 15, 2007 4:36 PM GMT
    I made the switch over to flourescent's a few years ago...don't have to change them nearly as often as incadescent bulbs either! I also kinda like the not "instant-on" of the flourescents, it's nice at night if I have to go into the bathroom, I don't get blinded immediately icon_wink.gif

    now if only I could give up my addiction to cars...
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    Oct 15, 2007 5:01 PM GMT
    I heard a rumor that when the compact fluorescent bulbs break, you get toxic mercury powder (gas? residue?) everywhere and it's apparently a real difficult problem. Can anyone confirm or refute this? I've already switched to CFs, but want to know what to expect should one break. I continue to be a clumsy homo-ner.
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    Oct 15, 2007 5:07 PM GMT
    Expect to have babies like this if you breathe the powder from those broken bulbs.

    http://www.rob-clarkson.com/duff-brewery/blinky/02.gif
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    Oct 15, 2007 5:15 PM GMT
    I find that our Baby Seal Blubber lamps are quite effective so I really don't see a need to switch any time soon...

    I'm all for saving the environment but fluorescent bulbs are just so lousy when it comes to light quality. I know things have come a long way but they still have a little work to do. I suppose if you don't mind having your house aglow in the sterile coziness of a shopping mall or highschool study hall then fluorescents are the thing for you! I'm holding out for LED technology, and if that doesn't come soon enough I'll have to put that bee hive to work and make my own candles.
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    Oct 15, 2007 5:32 PM GMT
    Yes, they contain mercury.

    I was thinking about that when I bought them. "Ok, in a few years, we will be hearing about the damage to the environment because people are just throwing them away and they are releasing mercury into the environment."

    These things are gonna need to be handled like toxic waste.
    ....................

    Maybe it's my lampshades but they dont put out that blue-white light of the long tubes.
    ....................

    Al Gore for President ....but I digress
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    Oct 15, 2007 7:20 PM GMT
    We have a mix of bulbs. The sconces that provide indirect light all have CF bulbs. Task lighting in closets, the steps down to the basement, etc., where the light is only used for a few seconds or minutes, are incandescent. There are also incandescent bulbs on dimmers and a lot of halogen downlights. I could imagine some years down the road where 5-10 watt LED bulbs could replace all the 50 watt halogens, but they'll have to improve the color spectrum.
  • Warren

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    Oct 15, 2007 8:01 PM GMT
    I'll help the environment by supporting companies that are using and developing environmentally friendly technology. When I buy or build a house, it'll be as eco friendly as I can realisticly afford, and I'll recycle as much as is not annoying, as well as turning my lights off, and my water off when brushing my teeth. That's about all though.
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    Oct 15, 2007 8:29 PM GMT
    Interesting thread.

    I switched to florescents several years ago as I was replacing older burned out bulbs.

    All the lighting in the Lake House (about 3 years old) was designed to be indirect or diffuse in order to cut down on power signature. It's a very 'green' house, primarily due to prodding my architect and contractor to come up with some really interesting technology mostly from overseass.

    My company is in the middle of a search for an employee to take charge of company wide energy conservation and recycling on a full time basis. Part of their job will be overseeing the design and developement of a new 'ultra-green' office building for us in NNE; as well as day to day recycling and environmental efforts. Should be interesting to see who applies.

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    Oct 15, 2007 10:14 PM GMT
    Thinking about this switch is something that will require a good deal of scrutiny. From the point of view of saving power, it's a good idea.

    But... and there's often a 'but' with these sorts of things...

    One little known but important problem with compact fluorescent lamps (CFL's) however, is that electrically speaking, they not good devices because they produce substantial harmonics.

    Our power system is alternating current, at frequency of 60 hertz. A harmonic is a distortion in the power wave produced at multiples of base frequency (60 hz), so at 120 hz, 180 hz, etc. Power systems are designed to deal with harmonics within certain tolerances; some degree of harmonic distortion is fundamental to any a/c power system - all devices produce them to a degree.

    However, CFLs are particularly bad for this. They are noisy. Harmonic noise affects power factor (the amount of real power (watts) a device uses, versus the amount that must be supplied to account for something called reactance), and can interfere with the operation of electronics, and 3-phase power systems, commonly used in industry.

    It is actually not well understood how our power system will react to the use of large numbers of CFLs; it is only starting to be studied. If it turns out that extensive (and expensive) filtering is required to deal with power factor issues and power quality problems, then wide-spread use of these could be counterproductive, or even harmful.
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    Oct 15, 2007 11:35 PM GMT
    Chungo44 wrotesorry but fluorescent bulbs make you look horrible.


    And Caslon said:Maybe it's my lampshades but they dont put out that blue-white light of the long tubes.


    There are several types available now. I bought some from GE(?) that were supposed to provide full-spectrum daylight and they're that industrial blue-white light that makes you look Undead.

    There is another type, though, one that is much warmer. I can't remember exactly what GE (or whatever) calls it, but with the lampshades in place you really can't tell it's fluorescent.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 16, 2007 12:01 AM GMT
    I am currently in a gradual process of replacing all my energy inefficient incandescent lightbulbs with the new compact flourescents. I already have two flourescent bulbs and I am very satisfied with the quality of light that they give off. They make great reading lights. I will use up the remaining incandescent bulbs now in my other lamps. Once they are burned out, they will be replaced with the flourescent bulbs. Plus the flourescent bulbs last a very long time and they use much less power than the incandescent bulbs. That will greatly help in saving money. icon_smile.gif