Always Hungry....

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    Mar 04, 2009 4:18 AM GMT
    Okay folks,

    So with my new workout partner, I've changed my diet. Perhaps I should start with saying that I've been at a consistent 168# for the past 20 months, with seemingly no change in the body fat % or dimensions, and able to eat whatever I want.

    On the "old" diet, I would eat a light breakfast, a big lunch (think burger and fries, or a big sandwich and chips, or a big mexican meal of some variety, and I'd usually follow that with dessert. Mid afternoon snack of cookies was not uncommon. A large dinner, typically around 8pm, a lot of times pasta and meat sauce, though pizza, mexican, chinese...whatever, was not out of the equation. Follow that with a fairly substantial dessert. I'd say, that, on average, I consumed 3000 calories a day, with some days being 4000++ by the time dessert and sweet tea was added in. So obviously my body has been used to a lot of calories, and my metabolism must be halfway decent, as I did not get fat. I know that I"m active at my job, and that definitely helps.

    So...NOW...new diet. Cut out sugar, other than what is in fruit and veggies naturally. No tea, no sugar. I've been really good about this. Avoiding white starches. Basic meals now consist of raw fruits, raw veggies, lean protein, and a few carbs thrown in usually at one meal.

    Today, I ate this:
    one protein shake (20g, 130cal) when i got up
    a banana an hour later
    4 pieces of bacon (fat removed) and 4 eggs
    2.5 cups of vegetable beef soup, with 10 triscuit crackers
    two handfulls of mixed nuts
    two handfulls of carrots, with about 1/4 cup of hummus
    A side salad, no dressing
    london broil, grilled, about 8 oz or so
    grilled veggies with olive oil and spices
    a serving of mashed red potatoes with a little butter
    one piece of a baguette - white
    one corona (out with friends) - only other liquid was water today
    an apple.

    I"m starving. Almost all the time. When I eat, I feel full for about 15-20 minutes. Maybe an hour if I've had some carbs. I'm really craving a huge load of carbs and fat. Ice cream, cookies, cake, burger and fries, etc.

    If I eat whole wheat pasta at night with my meal, I stay full for about two hours or so.

    I've been lifting 3-4 days a week, and swimming twice a week.

    I am trying to lean down a bit - I'd like to be able to see my abs, and I'm guesstimating my body fat is about 14%, give or take a few. If I flex, you can tell I have some abs under the layer of fat.

    Is this hunger normal? Will I get used to it? If I wont' get used to it...this is going to drive me insane. Suggestions?

    Thanks guys
  • styrgan

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    Mar 04, 2009 3:35 PM GMT
    You're new diet is not in the ballpark of 3000-4000 calories. You've probably cut out around 500-1000 calories, so I would say its natural to be hungry sometimes. I would say looking at your diet that you're not getting enough carbs. Try front-loading a few more carbs in the morning. Add a granola bar and cereal with fat free milk.

    And ditch the 130 calorie protein shake for something that has a little more going on. I use one of the lean-formula shakes and it has only about 220 calories. You should probably be aiming for something with at least 350.
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    Mar 04, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
    sounds like you're still just not used to the smaller, spaced out snack like meals through the day- which is more natural and better for the metabolism... but is difficult at first as your body's used to gorging itself at three square feasts a day. give your body a few days to get caught up to your new eating pattern, and for your stomach to shrink a bit, which it will. and for god sake, allow yourself at lest one indulgence during the day, or of course you'll feel like your starving yourself. eat a good piece of dark chocolate or something, or a cookie, or a starbucks coffee. all good things in moderation. cut them out entirely, and you'll miss them to a dangerous extent.

    the other thing i notice is u say ur old diet started with a small breakfast and then crescendoed to a huge dinner- u never mention reversing it specifically- that's a HUGE mistake.... the whole thing should be reversed.

    and finally, tea is awesome for you- i live on it, practically. just don't dump a ton of sugar in it and you're fine. learn to drink good teas without sweeteners, like a delicate white tea with orange, or a good green tea.
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    Mar 04, 2009 3:48 PM GMT
    more carbs. Carbs are GOOD. Atkins is a jerk. eat carbs. I try to see how many different types I can eat in a day

    oats
    quinoa
    wheat in bread and pasta
    potato
    rye
    millet
    sweet potato

    I´d eat your diet, but you need more carbs. if you are cutting out white crap then you need more decent carbs. And there´s nothing wrong with tea (hot green white or black tea) it´s very good for you in fact. Avoid Southern T as it´s basically sugar solution with food coloring.

    Also where is your fat? I do all my own cooking and have noticed that the more that you do that, the more you have to ignore conventional wisdom about what you should eat. You always hear low fat, low salt, etc etc, but that is aimed at people who eat premade food that is mostly fat and salt. You have nuts, some olive oil. Do you eat oily fish? It would be cool to see a WEEK´s food so we can have a better look. I get the hungry all the time thing, especially when i change my lifting routines... and eat every few hours (Chucky would be proud).
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Mar 04, 2009 4:25 PM GMT
    I want to know what you do to the poor truck icon_question.gificon_confused.gif

    And the worst part is you seem proud of what you done icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 04, 2009 11:04 PM GMT
    Okay folks.

    Well, today I added in some more carbs - oatmeal with breakfast, which helped a lot. Brown rice in my burrito with lunch. Much better. Workout and gym is approaching - i'll drink a protein shake, and head to the gym.

    Dinner will probably be some pasta with pesto, and some salad and pork loin.

    I do almost all my own cooking. Have for a long time. I think it's one of the reasons, that although I eat a ton of food, I"m relatively in shape. I only use natural ingredients...and everything is more or less in moderation.

    I'll give it awhile for the stomach to shrink, and maybe allow myself a cookie or something before bed. That's when being hungry is the worst for me. During the day I don't really notice.

    I'm going to keep a journal of what I've eaten, and I'll post that as things go along. Like I said, I'm new to this, and still learning.

    As for reversing my meal schedule, that sucks. Cause I'm never really hungry in the morning, and usually starving by the late afternoon (like right now!!)



    OH...and the Jeep....well...I was off-road, and due to some poor placement of wheels and tires, she rolled over. Have no fear. A winch, thirty minutes, and she was righted and running again, and drove out. I did lose two doors in the process, and the passenger's side has some love marks. But overall, no real damage. It's my off-road rig, not the daily driver...

    This summer, pics will probably appear with the doors completely removed...
    I digress...
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    Mar 05, 2009 1:14 AM GMT
    I eat two breakfasts as I can´t bear too much first thing.
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    Mar 05, 2009 6:32 AM GMT
    Czarod's right. Tea's good for you as long as you don't put a lot of sweetner in in it. It's full of antioxidants and good junk. I've been drinking a lot of tea both hot and iced and I notice that I haven't been sick at all this Winter whereas between November of last year and September I had a total of 4 sinus infections.

    This is just me, but I find a baked potato and a cup of a healthy chili work wonders for my appetite. In terms of cutting down cravings, a bowl of berries (strawberries, blueberries and blackberries) will eliminate my cravings. Carrots and salsa also work for me, but I love hummus...I read something about spicy foods sending signals to your brain that your body's full.

    Good to make a change now. One of my friends has gained 40-50 lbs in 3 years because his metabolism slowed down as his mid 20s came and passed. Just because you can eat what you want now without gaining weight doesn't mean that that will be true a year or two down the road.
  • ROYCE13

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    Mar 05, 2009 7:01 AM GMT
    when I ate the 6 meals a day for 1 year, I was always hungary, but I knew I had to increase my calories then, and I ate more carbs, good carbs, before 6pm, only becasue I wanted to be 9% body fat from 13%. I am a big eater as well with a high metab and very active, so all the other athlete kept telling me to eat less, but when you are creating an energy burning body all day and night you do have to eat more, most were eating 2000 cal and I needed 2500-3K, I was also in the gym 5 days a week and doing sports at that time as well. I go with what my body tells me, not what charts and books say within a 15 percent variance. just like all the protein I was to intake, I took in what made me feel balanced not the charted amount. It is good to know and research, but then incorporate into your regime not follow directly, since we all are different inside to a degree.
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    Mar 05, 2009 7:04 AM GMT
    EET MOR FUD
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    Mar 05, 2009 7:12 AM GMT
    ncsucarjock88 saidOkay folks,

    So with my new workout partner, I've changed my diet. Perhaps I should start with saying that I've been at a consistent 168# for the past 20 months, with seemingly no change in the body fat % or dimensions, and able to eat whatever I want.

    On the "old" diet, I would eat a light breakfast, a big lunch (think burger and fries, or a big sandwich and chips, or a big mexican meal of some variety, and I'd usually follow that with dessert. Mid afternoon snack of cookies was not uncommon. A large dinner, typically around 8pm, a lot of times pasta and meat sauce, though pizza, mexican, chinese...whatever, was not out of the equation. Follow that with a fairly substantial dessert. I'd say, that, on average, I consumed 3000 calories a day, with some days being 4000++ by the time dessert and sweet tea was added in. So obviously my body has been used to a lot of calories, and my metabolism must be halfway decent, as I did not get fat. I know that I"m active at my job, and that definitely helps.

    So...NOW...new diet. Cut out sugar, other than what is in fruit and veggies naturally. No tea, no sugar. I've been really good about this. Avoiding white starches. Basic meals now consist of raw fruits, raw veggies, lean protein, and a few carbs thrown in usually at one meal.

    Today, I ate this:
    one protein shake (20g, 130cal) when i got up
    a banana an hour later
    4 pieces of bacon (fat removed) and 4 eggs
    2.5 cups of vegetable beef soup, with 10 triscuit crackers
    two handfulls of mixed nuts
    two handfulls of carrots, with about 1/4 cup of hummus
    A side salad, no dressing
    london broil, grilled, about 8 oz or so
    grilled veggies with olive oil and spices
    a serving of mashed red potatoes with a little butter
    one piece of a baguette - white
    one corona (out with friends) - only other liquid was water today
    an apple.

    I"m starving. Almost all the time. When I eat, I feel full for about 15-20 minutes. Maybe an hour if I've had some carbs. I'm really craving a huge load of carbs and fat. Ice cream, cookies, cake, burger and fries, etc.

    If I eat whole wheat pasta at night with my meal, I stay full for about two hours or so.

    I've been lifting 3-4 days a week, and swimming twice a week.

    I am trying to lean down a bit - I'd like to be able to see my abs, and I'm guesstimating my body fat is about 14%, give or take a few. If I flex, you can tell I have some abs under the layer of fat.

    Is this hunger normal? Will I get used to it? If I wont' get used to it...this is going to drive me insane. Suggestions?

    Thanks guys


    If you're starving all the time, generally speaking, that's because your blood sugar isn't high enough. More carbs.

    Listen to your body. It's telling you to eat more.

    Sounds like you're one of the lucky ones, like me, where your body will tell you just what it needs. Now, all you need to do is listen.

    If wanta' know for sure? Go get a glucose tester at any Walmart. See what your blood glucose is.

    Go get some Ketostix from any drug store. See if you're in ketosis.

    This is all simple exercise science.

    It might be you need a few more fats, for satiety, but, it's sounding like your blood sugar is low and you're fighting your body's set point and it's telling you to eat. Eventually, your metabolism will slow, your set point will lower, and you'll become a fat-storing machine, albeit the tinier for it.
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    Mar 05, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
    How much water do you drink with all of this? If you're eating all this food and not enough water, your body will think it's hungry when what it really needs is the water to help break down and digest the food.

    I always find that if I eat a meal but forget to have water with it, that I'm hungry like a half an hour later. Drink some water? Takes care of the hunger for a couple of hours.

    Make sure you're drinking PLENTY of water in general, as my Dr. says, if your pee isn't clear (light lemony color) you're not drinking enough water.

    And as you've already been doing, good carbs. Oats, whole wheat products (make sure there's no High Fructose Corn Syrup in the products), brown rice, etc.

    Also, if you get hungry and need a little snack, keep some almonds or other "healthy" nuts around, but don't binge on them as the calories add up quickly.