Dont't buy a BlackBerry..Big Brother is Listening

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    Mar 04, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    It would seem RIM, the maker of the Balckberry thinks it's ok to monitor ALL calls of their employees. I knwo more corporations do so to soem degree, but this seems extreme.

    It also makes me wonder if they aren't listening to other blackberry users and recording them. I am so glad I don't own one of these phones. In fact I will make it a point not to now.


    Kind of creepy news trickling out of Research in Motion, the company that makes the phenomenally successful Blackberry. In an interview with ZDNet, the company's CIO, Robin Bienfait, said that RIM records, well, pretty much everything you do within its walls, including your personal phone calls.

    Specifically, "all actions carried out on RIM's internal network" are logged, which means emails, web browsing, and phone calls, all recorded for posterity. "I record everything," said Bienfait, putting it bluntly.

    Many office workers are accustomed to IT oversight of their computer habits -- email is backed up for legal and data security purposes (though it's rarely ever read) and many companies restrict employees from visiting certain websites -- not just gambling/gaming/porn but also career and sometimes even "gossip" sites. But recording every phone call? Even for die-hard "employer rights" advocates, that's a tough one to swallow.

    Naturally Bienfait is concerned about leaks, as the company, like most of the current-era tech world, jealously guards the details about its upcoming product line. Should word get out about what RIM is working on, untold amounts of damage could be rained down on the company. Why, just imagine how many people would be knocking off the BlackBerry Storm and its mega-button design had they gotten wind of it in advance...

    For the most part, employees seem to accept the Big Brother treatment, but things get dicey when employees have to deal with personal issues on work time -- say, a divorce proceeding or medical conversations -- things which they'd probably rather not have recorded permanently by Bienfait's crew. Her advice: Bring in a cell phone and take the call there instead.

    Just don't do it on your corporate BlackBerry. Those are of course monitored too.
  • UncleverName

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    Mar 04, 2009 11:03 PM GMT
    This doesn't seem particularly surprising or new to me. Perhaps because I work in high tech.

    This is not an anomaly; this is the continuing trend.

    If you are doing something that you don't want your employer to know about, don't use their phones, email accounts, or even their computers or internal networks (meaning that if you're using your company's wifi with your ipod touch, they could be recording where you surf to and what you are looking at).

    That doesn't just apply to people working for telecomm's. There have been many precedents set already that it is ok for employers to monitor what you do with their equipment (including their networks) and to store it.
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    Mar 04, 2009 11:08 PM GMT
    Big deal. Try working in the financial industry. They'll do all this, and have you get fingerprinted, too.

    Until, you know, the company commits some sort of massive accounting fraud, and then does everything it can to destroy the evidence.

    Not that that ever happens.

    *Cough*
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 04, 2009 11:14 PM GMT
    What else is new? These fascist control freaks in all levels of American government are not going to be satisfied unless they know every single thing everyone is doing. What freedom of privacy?
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    Mar 05, 2009 1:04 AM GMT
    The blackberry is one of those inventions that gives support to some people's assertions that Satan is alive and well. And it is not because I am bitter I did not buy RIM at $10 in 2002!

    Seriously though some people need to get divorced from those things. I have seen people checking their blackeberries in meetings at work while other people are presenting. Very rude. I mean the e-mail will still be there when you get back to your office won't it?

    Hopefully if people are more concerned about their privacy they will be less concerned about being attached to the damn things.
  • kinetic

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    Mar 05, 2009 1:32 AM GMT
    As sucky as it is I hardly think anyone would be interested in what I do on my blueberry.
    I'm not a drug dealer, terrorist, political dissident, rich or any other things that may spark the interest of the government. I guess you could say that I feel like I am way under the radar when it comes to the millions that use these devices.. That is unless they're reading this thread... Shit! they're at my door!

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    Mar 05, 2009 1:36 AM GMT
    In case people were unaware.

    Every single phone call, from land line or cell phone, is monitored and "wiretapped". This is not new, it started under Clinton in the Echelon program, which is not exclusively American based.

    Just like every single website viewed is recorded and catalogued.

    Google announced a little while back that they listen to people through their computers, including background noise - say a tv or music - in order to advertise personally towards you.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/03/google_eavesdropping_software/


    Big Brother has been watching and listening for a while. and it's only getting worse. Even government intelligence reports analyzing trends for the next 25 years state that the west will increasingly become composed of "surveillance states".

    Looks like Orwell's warnings went unheard.
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    Mar 05, 2009 1:41 AM GMT
    Wow. It's 2009 and people still think they have any sort of privacy? Especially at work? icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 05, 2009 1:42 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]kinetic said[/cite]
    I'm not a drug dealer, terrorist, political dissident, rich or any other things that may spark the interest of the government.[quote]



    I have to admit, i find this quote somewhat disturbing.

    When did "political dissidents" become lobbed in with "drug dealers" and "terrorists"?

    Why should political dissidents be monitored and spied upon? Political dissidents are those that created the concept of freedom and democracy, because they dissented from tyrannical governments.

    Having political dissidents is a sign of a functional democracy - democracy can only thrive and survive within a context of continued and increasing debate and criticism.

    Dissent is the only thing that challenges status quo.
    This is why dissenters are monitored and spied upon.

    Spying on dissenters is a sign of a government gone horribly wrong, and headed toward tyranny.

    Dissenters being lumped into the same category as "drug dealers" and "terrorists" is a sign of a population gone horribly complacent.

  • kinetic

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    Mar 05, 2009 1:46 AM GMT
    I agree but thems is the breaks. The government will always be paying attention any political group they deem extreme.
  • kinetic

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    Mar 05, 2009 1:47 AM GMT
    Maybe dissident is too vague. Lets just say anyone or group considered politically 'extreme' instead.
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    Mar 05, 2009 1:51 AM GMT
    You said "RIM"....he heicon_smile.gif
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    Mar 05, 2009 1:59 AM GMT
    kinetic saidMaybe dissident is too vague. Lets just say anyone or group considered politically 'extreme' instead.


    haha, sorry. "extreme" is a highly politicized word. In the US, and to a lesser degree, the rest of the west, dissident groups are already LEGALLY classified as extremist groups.

    Under the USA Patriot Acts I and II, (which still havent been revoked... hmm, interesting), "terrorism" if broadly defined as undermining government. Under the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (which also still hasnt been revoked, and which Obama voted for as a Senator), torture is made legal and even US citizens can be tortured - because once the President or Secretary of Defense term anyone an "enemy combatant", they are stripped of citizenship, and are free to be tortured.

    I just think we should be aware of political rhetoric and legal terminology, and how crucial language is to the whole system.

    To quote 1984:

    "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength"


  • kinetic

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    Mar 05, 2009 3:03 AM GMT
    MeOhMy said
    kinetic saidMaybe dissident is too vague. Lets just say anyone or group considered politically 'extreme' instead.


    I just think we should be aware of political rhetoric and legal terminology, and how crucial language is to the whole system.


    You said it!
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    Mar 05, 2009 3:06 AM GMT
    Actually federal law requires that companies in the united states record all transmissions that occur on their network for a period of time. It is part of the patriot act and all things and people are being monitored by big brother.
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    Mar 05, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    SurrealLife saidThe blackberry is one of those inventions that gives support to some people's assertions that Satan is alive and well. And it is not because I am bitter I did not buy RIM at $10 in 2002!

    It's because you bought it at $140 a few months ago? icon_surprised.gif
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    Mar 06, 2009 4:16 AM GMT
    What about the iphone....