I'm in deep s**t. any advice?

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    Oct 17, 2007 12:06 AM GMT
    two of your colleagues in springfield dressed in plain clothes and driving a civilian car arrested me after seeing my new boyfriend holding me as we were walking. It was cold out. .
    After calling the two strangers homophobic they asked me and two friends if we knew who they were. I respond yeah 2 obviously homophobic bastards. opening my eyes for a few seconds it looked like an abandoned wearhouse. They proceeded to handcuff me after saying that. my rights were not read to me and the female cop hit me after i was already handcuffed i yelled at her the male maced me. I flipped out. I was blinded for two straight hours. WHen i got to the place one said he was fbi when i asked him his name. I said i wanted to sue him for violating my civil rights and homophobia. Nobody was drinking or doing drugs and i was arrested. Before this i had a clean record. NOw because of how i reacted to the mace I have a resisting arrest charge. assualt and battery to two cops and threat charge. I only threatened to sue so whatever that's about i don't know.
    I guess it's ok fo a cop to hit a civilian and mace them but when a civilian reacts in self defense it's only a crime for the civilian?
    All of this happened october 15 starting at 1050pm.
  • Timbales

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    Oct 17, 2007 2:10 AM GMT
    No, it's not. Get a lawyer ASAP.
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    Oct 17, 2007 2:26 AM GMT
    A C L U
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    Oct 17, 2007 2:45 AM GMT
    You did everything wrong when dealing with cops. You are in a no win situation from the get go so next time when you are in any situation involving cops cooperate to the max. Do nothing.. keep your mouth shut. If you had done that dollars- to- donuts nothing at all would have happened.
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    Oct 17, 2007 2:55 AM GMT
    I suggest you get a lawyer. If your story is true this is pretty disgusting.
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    Oct 17, 2007 3:05 AM GMT
    By the way, cops have always to my knowledge abused their authority and it's bad. I only got pulled over once in my life, and that was because when I stopped at a red light, I had blocked a cop car in a parking lot. He didn't have his lights on, but he wanted to get out, and kept inching toward my car, expecting me to back up. I looked at him and laughed, and he saw it and got angry, and proceeded to pull me over. Then he proceeded to yell at me because he "might have been going to a call." (he wasn't, the police department confirmed this to me when I contacted them later). I told him if he were he should have his lights on so cars on the road can notice him and move out of the way (but I said it in a nice way as to not agrivate this clearly corrupt cop). He said that he didn't need to have his lights on because he was a cop and should be respected, and that I shouldn't have "smirked" at him when he was inching toward my car (wtf it was funny as shit, I thought the bastard was gonna ram into me.)

    I cooperated, and gave him my lisence, but when he asked for my insurance card (which was an old expired one, although the insurance itself was not expired, just never put the new card in the car) I managed to distract him and make him forget about the insurance card. As soon as he left, I stayed in my car and let him go ahead of me, and grabbed his lisence plate number and immediately put in a complaint with the department. The guys up top seemed genuinly interested in helping me out with my case, but I felt bad that it would screw this guy over (even though he was an asshole) and dropped the case (plus I was too lazy to go to the police station and do stupid identification shit of cops). Hearing such stories like yours makes me regret that decision.
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    Oct 17, 2007 3:06 AM GMT
    Cops have no sense of humor do they?

    Get a good criminal lawyer and contact Lambda Legal Defense [url]http://www.lambdalegal.org/url]

    ...but I agree with burninman, when confronted by cops do whatever they tell you to do and complain later.

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    Oct 17, 2007 3:13 AM GMT
    Yup.

    LAWYER

    Now.

    Ask around and see if Denny Crane or Alan Shore are available.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 17, 2007 3:20 AM GMT
    Definately "lawyer time"... Get a good criminal lawyer. Be cool, ask questions, give factual answers
    and leave out as much drama as possible. An attorney will be impressed more with a matter of fact (non emotional) approach than otherwise.

    Ask about the filing of complaints against those cops and civil remedies, but focus on the criminal charges they have against you first.
  • hotversguy

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    Oct 17, 2007 3:22 AM GMT
    even if you were cracked out to the gills you have to be read your rights.
  • iHavok

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    Oct 17, 2007 3:24 AM GMT
    did you try throwing a ring at them?
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    Oct 17, 2007 3:29 AM GMT
    I don't understand the comment about a warehouse. They took you to an empty warehouse?
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    Oct 17, 2007 3:54 AM GMT
    no. it simply apeared that way through my blurred vision. I kept asking if they were latin kings though. I know stupid but ex lovers of mine are related to some and i also wasn't sure if they may have recognised me from the club i used to strip at not to far away. No i did not throw my ring at them. Do you think i should have briarhawk lol stfu.
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    Oct 17, 2007 4:16 AM GMT
    hate to be negative on my first post here but I have to question you.

    Our officers are mostly outstanding citizens. I highly doubt they would arrest someone and treat them this way.

    Thiis sounds more like treatment for a suspected terrorist. I highly doubt the FBI would arrest someone in this way, treat them like sh*t.

    I'd ask what were you doing? because it was more than hugging a boyfriend.
  • iHavok

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    Oct 17, 2007 4:44 AM GMT
    Trance started it!
    LOL
    But my first thought was along the same lines.
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    Oct 17, 2007 4:50 AM GMT
    In my experiences I'm 50/50. I've only had two runins, one was a good guy, the other was the douchebag I mentioned above.

    However, my sister has been stopped and stalked by a cop and she's expressed fear that he might try to do something to her, maybe even go as far as rape (he wants her and keeps saying these dirty things to her and she doesn't know what to do about it) SHe has a boyfriend but the guy doesn't seem to get the picture.

    So uh.. I'm not sure how many of them are upstanding. I'm sure a lot are, but there's a good number of them who are trash.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 17, 2007 4:53 AM GMT
    If your ACLU has a gay and lesbian chapter (most big cities do), start there. You may want to reach out to Lambda Legal, too. They may be of help. Write out the details clearly and share them with reputable blogs like Towleroad.com to help get your story out there.
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    Oct 17, 2007 4:57 AM GMT
    btw Denny Crane or Alan Shore? That's from the show boston legal. William shatner plays denny crane. these are fictional attorneys. just an fyi cronker.
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    Oct 17, 2007 5:14 AM GMT
    "Our officers are mostly outstanding citizens. I highly doubt they would arrest someone and treat them this way."
    "Thiis sounds more like treatment for a suspected terrorist. I highly doubt the FBI would arrest someone in this way, treat them like sh*t."

    One you obviously aren't familiar with Springfield mass.
    Two my new bf was indeed keeping me warm with his arms above the waist.
    He offered me his jacket but i didn't want him to be cold either he only hadon a tank top under his jacket my arms were in the sleaves with his arms. We were walking to his brothers house to get a ride to my friends house so we wouldn't have to spend money on a taxi. it was fucking cold at 1050pm at night.

    Oh and i am such a terrorist right? Dumbass I don't do drugs or i even quit smoking cigs and you being as ignorant as you are (not your fault you weren't there) have no idea how much i wish you were right. they weren't FBI they were police.
    Even a cop will push you down after calling you a fag because they know you can't see him and they are going through a shift change anyway.
    I went to a holding cell and got out on a 40 dollar bail I don't think they would let a terrorist off so easy.
    Most likely the cops being plain clothes plain car were looking for something other than two guys together but they must have been bored or something to harass me like they did.
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    Oct 17, 2007 6:36 AM GMT
    Our officers are mostly outstanding citizens. I highly doubt they would arrest someone and treat them this way.

    Ask that question to people who are not white and see what responses you get. There are of course many good and honest cope, but they are in a position of power, and in a position to abuse such power, as the saying goes "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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    Oct 17, 2007 6:56 AM GMT
    Call GLAD's (Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders) Legal InfoLine at 617-426-1350 or 800-455-4523 to get the name of a good lawyer in your area.

    http://www.glad.org/infoline/
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    Oct 17, 2007 9:14 AM GMT
    i'm very confused by all this. are men not allowed to cuddle in public in this part of the world?
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    Oct 17, 2007 11:46 AM GMT
    i think a lot of information is being left out. you sound like another run-of-the-mill drama fag who doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. u were obviously taunting them and cursing and not cooperating. u were most likely drunk. and high.
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    Oct 17, 2007 12:20 PM GMT
    I wish I had more detail because i could have you off of everything with a few quick briefs. You need a good lawyer and don't do court-appointed laywers. If they offer you a "plea" deal of some kind you know right off the bat they have nothing and were just fucking with you. anyone with a real case will go all the way and throw the book at you. ACLU is a good place to stay. I need more informaiton in order to figure out with principles they used to arrest you. Why were they even drawn to you in the first place? what was their just cause to come at you? I think you might have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sounds that way. Either way good luck. I have helped alot of people get off from parking tickets to drug charges based on simple consitutional rights. Good luck. If the feds are involved you are going to need it since bush has just about ever kind of bs executive order out there to screw you and your rights because of "times of war". Executive orders are such bullshit. And bad cops suck. where is internal affairs when you need them?
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    Oct 17, 2007 12:33 PM GMT
    "One you obviously aren't familiar with Springfield mass."

    Sorry, but I knew several people who went to American International College in Springfield. I've been there many times over the years, and those people are also black/asian fyi.

    Never had an issue with police or any locals. You must have been doing something more than hugging. If the police truely abused you as mentioned you have a case. I'll be watching the news to look for reports of police brutality, but I still highly doubt any truth about what you said.