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  • Nayro

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    Mar 09, 2009 2:35 PM GMT
    Hey,
    I wonder, do any of you guys sometimes hear gay guys talking on television or in reality and they talk SO gay (no offense). I dont know why that is, but 80% of the time u can hear that some guy is gay by the way he talks. Why do they do that? I myself talk normal i think. Do any of u reckonize what i mean? does it make any sense? icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:02 PM GMT

    It makes sense if they are on tv and obviously being gayer than you hasn't hindered that process, so why should they curtail it? Simple, they are gayer than you in pertinence to their mannerisms and behaviors, NOT PLAINLY. Plainly you are both gay: the same gay. This is why a community is so important: a guy that talks/acts gayer than you is gay like you and you both are subject to discrimination, and misconception, but you both fit together in a context of a community. The only way you wouldn't would be if you let the way someone talked dictate your feelings (friendship, social, or otherwise) toward them. I know, you don't talk gay, but you are gay and there is a tell (there always is) and whatever is gay about you doesn't make you any worse than someone else.

    "Why do they do that?".....please clarify in detail what you meant by this?
    I know you meant "talk like that."...but "talk like that" and....?
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
    I think you are implying that these guys don't "speak/act str8" and if so, then I hear a flame war on it's way!!! icon_eek.gif
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
    Niceguy1989 saidHey,
    I wonder, do any of you guys sometimes hear gay guys talking on television or in reality and they talk SO gay (no offense). I dont know why that is, but 80% of the time u can hear that some guy is gay by the way he talks. Why do they do that? I myself talk normal i think. Do any of u reckonize what i mean? does it make any sense? icon_razz.gif


    Yeah, I’ve always wondered about that myself. I've often found it incongruous when I come across a hulking 6ft4 270lbs ripped to shreds gym bunny – he opens his mouth and he’s got this lisping, airy fairy thing going on …

    I know I shouldn’t – but I have to go WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

    I mean, shouldn’t everyone have this deep melodious voice like mine ?icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_wink.gif
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    BodyWork4 saidI think you are implying that these guys don't "speak/act str8" and if so, then I hear a flame war on it's way!!! icon_eek.gif


    It's not that they don't speak straight- it's more a case of they are going out of their way to be affected. Overly affected
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:12 PM GMT

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    Mar 09, 2009 7:14 PM GMT

    Guy above me, there are children in their fours and fives that act gay/ talk gayer than any of those guys. Most of these "affected" (whatever the fuck that means) individuals have been talking like that since grade school. It's not an act, it's a trait.
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:18 PM GMT
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  • Nayro

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    Mar 09, 2009 7:24 PM GMT
    when i say: Why do they do that, i mean why do they talk ''gay'' (really no offense here) But why cant they just talk on a normal way? Maybe it is to appear more feminin? I think that would be the reason cause i dont believe that someone speaks like that, they are manipulating their speach to sound the way they do.
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said

    It's not that they don't speak straight- it's more a case of they are going out of their way to be affected. Overly affected


    Actually, just as often as not you can say that there are gay guys who go out of their way to have an affectedly "masculine" form of speech. For many guys, it's that masculine style that's affected, not their more naturally feminine inflection.

    More to the point, this is simply more proof of the infinite variability of life, and especially of gay life. I like to think that our status as abnormal and aberrant gives us carte blanche to question the very idea of what it means to be "masculine," or to be "normal." We're the lucky ones, not those poor straight folk who are expected to be locked into rigid gender norms that have little concrete form outside of each individual culture.

    But then, I'm a bit of a queer exceptionalist. icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
    Niceguy1989 saidwhen i say: Why do they do that, i mean why do they talk ''gay'' (really no offense here) But why cant they just talk on a normal way? Maybe it is to appear more feminin? I think that would be the reason cause i dont believe that someone speaks like that, they are manipulating their speach to sound the way they do.


    Oh dear boy, how little you know. Do yourself a favor, and try traveling outside of your country a little bit. You'll see how flexible the idea of a "masculine" or "feminine" way of speech is, and how little resemblance it bears, at times, to our American ideas of "masculine" and "feminine" speech.

    Again, infinite variability.
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:32 PM GMT
    I try to make my voice as rough as I can .. it's just difficult.. genes have a part in the voice too..

    It's hard to control it don't blame us ..
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    That's normal for them. It may not be normal for you. Does not bother me at all. We come in many different shapes sizes and colors. It's more the producers fault because they are not representing a balance. If they put some ultra butch str8 looking gay guy on the show, it would pose a threat to the other ALPHA MALES on the show. Clearly we gays could not look like them.

    Why does it bother you sooooo much?
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:37 PM GMT

    Niceguy1989 saidwhen i say: Why do they do that, i mean why do they talk ''gay'' (really no offense here) But why cant they just talk on a normal way? Maybe it is to appear more feminin? I think that would be the reason cause i dont believe that someone speaks like that, they are manipulating their speach to sound the way they do.


    So you manipulate your speech to sound the way you do? You MAKE yourself talk (as you put it) normal? You're suggesting that noone is different and it's ridiculous. Some guys do not talk low ok, they have a high voice. i have an uncle named Wayne: he is straight, has kids and is very masculine in every way (he is 6'4", 240) except he talks like a 2 year old girl. There has been many a feeling hurt and many a face dismantled over this. Is he faking, because he likes being put down for it? These other gay guys, they do it to appear more feminine? Are you aware that feminity is a trait not a choice? If it were a choice, why would anyone choose it since society finds it weak and sub par?
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    Mar 09, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    From another thread...
    Is this excerpt from a popular show what you mean (original poster)?

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    Mar 09, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
    I don't watch tv anymore so I couldn't say. Even when I did I didn't think about it. I do tend to be soft spoken these days which may lead people to think I'm gay. Course I'm in Texas so that says something about it right there. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Nayro

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    Mar 09, 2009 10:35 PM GMT
    Chewey_Delt said
    Blackguy4you said

    It's not that they don't speak straight- it's more a case of they are going out of their way to be affected. Overly affected


    Actually, just as often as not you can say that there are gay guys who go out of their way to have an affectedly "masculine" form of speech. For many guys, it's that masculine style that's affected, not their more naturally feminine inflection.

    More to the point, this is simply more proof of the infinite variability of life, and especially of gay life. I like to think that our status as abnormal and aberrant gives us carte blanche to question the very idea of what it means to be "masculine," or to be "normal." We're the lucky ones, not those poor straight folk who are expected to be locked into rigid gender norms that have little concrete form outside of each individual culture.

    But then, I'm a bit of a queer exceptionalist. icon_smile.gif


    Ok first of all, Two times I said i didnt mean to offend any1 and it really sounsd like i did.. so for the third time NO offense.

    I need to get out of my country? That is quite funny, im 19 years, live in canada for half a year, went to the states 3 times, visited, France, Germany, Belgium, Greece, Spain and some other countries. I dont think it has to do with the country I live in, I think it has to do with where I spend my time when im in foreign countries.

    @ Ducky: I think u misunderstand me. Im not talking about the voice of a man. Thats not what i mean. I'm talking about the way they talk. Like if u hear a straight man say Hi, and some gay man say Hi, thats enough to tell u if hes gay or straight. Its very hard to explain, I hope u get what i mean though.

    And to the one that said, Why does it bother you so much....
    It does NOt bother me, every1 is free to do/feel/be whatever he or she likes but I just asked a question, I was wondering WHY they talk that way.
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    Mar 10, 2009 1:20 AM GMT

    Why should there even be a why when discussing someone who is obviously gay (like they talk gay). When I asked you before: they talk that way and.....that's what I meant. So people can tell they are gay and they don't talk straight. Why do you think everyone needs to act straight or appear straight? Dear, they aren't straight. You can blend, good for you, but you aren't straight either. That's just them. Maybe on a tv show, especially a gay themed or gay friendly one, it may be augmented, but normally, it is not an act. It is just them.

    Your post suggest that they are abnormal and should act straight because that 's normal. You can tack (no offense) all over it all day, but it's still offensive and really an ignorant statement. When you live more, you will know the answer to the question.

    What about transgender people? Why do they do that!? They don't just talk like a woman, but they dress like one too and some think they are one. That's an act: they like feeling like they are trapped in their own body, they like being the subject of ridicule -- they like being an outcast even in there own community. They wanna be feminine because society treats women so well, right, and other gay men worship feminity. icon_lol.gif

    Really, think before you post. You should have known the answer to the question already (it's not a choice)...or are you stupid, no offense.
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    Mar 10, 2009 1:30 AM GMT
    I'm going to deviate away from this a wee bit.

    But the way I speak in person, is so very diffrent to the way I speak in writting.

    I say many things in writting, that I would not verbally!
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    Mar 10, 2009 1:35 AM GMT
    BodyWork4 saidI think you are implying that these guys don't "speak/act str8" and if so, then I hear a flame war on it's way!!! icon_eek.gif


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    Mar 10, 2009 1:52 PM GMT
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    Mar 10, 2009 1:53 PM GMT
    It's all about choice. I don't think guys who sound stereotypical have a choice any more than a choice about what gives them a boner or any more than you have a choice about what gives you one. Nobody chooses the innate characteristics of his voice. He can practice and learn how to fake it, like a brunette can become a blonde.

    I think you'd be surprised to discover that many people hear gay in your voice, even if you think you talk 'normal'.
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    Mar 10, 2009 2:24 PM GMT
    Niceguy1989 saidwhen i say: Why do they do that, i mean why do they talk ''gay'' (really no offense here) But why cant they just talk on a normal way? Maybe it is to appear more feminin? I think that would be the reason cause i dont believe that someone speaks like that, they are manipulating their speach to sound the way they do.



    i think its partly a disposition they're born with (as someone said, even grade school kids sometimes do it)... or one crossdresser i knew said his parents always made it clear when he was a kid that they wished they'd gotten a daughter instead, so perhaps its a psych trauma like that...and i think its partly just that they feel empowered by doing it, owning their 'gayness,' and standing out- liking being the center of attention, liking people's reactions, etc. it becomes a part of their self identity and they're comfortable with it. i think they could talk 'normally' if they wanted to, but they don't see why they should.
    like black people and ghetto talk. i can never understand a word out of their mouths lol. but u'd better bet that if they were in an interview for a job (im talking about the college kids who THINK they're ghetto here, not the truly impoverished), they can talk normally.
    ha, i guess you could correlate limp wrists and a swishy walk to a 'swagger' too :p
  • Nayro

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    Mar 10, 2009 2:32 PM GMT
    My post doesnt suggest they are abnormal AT all.. I dont see where I suggest that...
    I see ur getting a little bit frustrated, cause u start calling names and stuff, well if thats the way u wanna discuss a topic u go ahead and do that.
    I dont care if a gay guy speaks ''gay'', its just that society expects everyone to be ''normal'' and I know not everyone lives up to that standard. But if gay guys talk '''gay'' I think they are just empowering the stereotypes and prejudice there are against gay guys.
    To me it really doesnt matter what every1 does but its the society that finds that way of talking annoying i think. But maybe ur right, maybe society should change and not the people that speak, behave or look different.