Argentina - participation in rugby competitions. trinations or 6 nations cup?

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    Oct 17, 2007 1:58 AM GMT
    I think the pumas have proved to the whole rugby world that they deserve to be in a highly competitive tournment such as the trination or 6 nations cup. It would be great dissapointment and injustice that after this world cup the IRB doesnt do what is necessary to give Argentina what it deserves specially knowing the effort, severe preparation and sacrifice most of the players have had to do to put the pumas within the best 4 of the world cup (and probably best 3).
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    Oct 17, 2007 4:13 AM GMT
    Agreed.
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    Oct 17, 2007 5:32 AM GMT
    I think the pumas are a great example of what a a non elite rugby nation is capable of doing and how by working hard, you can get far. I think it movitates smaller rugby nations to do the same thing and to believe that its possible to be within the elites.
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    Oct 17, 2007 1:40 PM GMT
    I think more guys from Argentina should come here and post half-naked pictures of themselves.icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 21, 2007 1:00 PM GMT
    I think it would be hard to make the 6 Nations a 7 Nations competition just from the actual distance you are away from Europe. A long & expensive trip for the fans.
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    Oct 21, 2007 6:01 PM GMT
    well, remember that all of the argentine players play in europe, 80% play in france and the rest in england, italy and ireland, so as far as money is concerned, it wouldnt be too bad. I know the argentine union was analysing the possibility of playing as locals in belgium since they offered it.
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    Oct 26, 2007 10:31 PM GMT
    I wasn't thinking of the players, more the fans. Although there are a lot of Argentinians in Europe the trip to Argentina for the away fans would be damn expensive! The airlines would love it.
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    Oct 31, 2007 3:34 PM GMT
    its true that for argentines to fly to europe would be very expensive but I think that it is more important for argentine rugby for argentina to participate in one of these competitions than the presence of argentine fans.
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    Nov 04, 2007 5:49 PM GMT
    I agree that Argentina needs to join either the 3 nations or the 6 nations to develop. The IRB needs to pick a league and force the issue.

    Tony Ward (former Irish international) wrote an excellent article on the subject in the Irish independent a few weeks ago. He outlined what the issues were and the consequences of the IRB not doing anything.

    http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/tony-ward-time-to-introduce-promotion-and-relegation-to-six-nations-1166293.html

    His conclusion was both competitions need to introduce promotion and relegation aspects.

    3 nations becomes 5 nations (Argentina, S. Africa, New Zealand, Australia and the pacific island team with the best record over the previous 3 seasons).

    6 nations becomes 7 nations (Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales, France, Italy and the winner of the European Nations Div 1 cup the previous year). European Nations cup includes 35 countries with the exception of the 7 nations.

    After a decade or so, if one team dominates from either Pacific Nations Cup or European Nations cup, they like Italy/Argentina could become permanent members of the major tournaments
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    Dec 02, 2007 12:45 AM GMT
    great info, Tony ward knows what he's talking about. I agree with him on that issue. I dont know if the IRB is just stubborn or the main rugby powers are affraid of having a little bit of competition but its time to widen more the world of rugby.
    the IRB has to move numbers around and see what can be done.
    I agree with you on the option of including a pacific island to the 3 nations cup, its something that has already been evaluated with tonga and even with japan (japan's participation was a more economic issue).
    but I still back the idea that argentina should play the 6 nations cup and play as locals in europe.
    I think the 3 nations cup with argentina in it would be of a higher cost than the 6 nations cup.
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    Dec 14, 2008 12:01 PM GMT
    I heartily agree that Argentina is badly under-estimated by rugby world. I think Europe is a bad idea because of the reverse seasons. It would be much better for fans and the reputation of Argentine Rugby if they got good crowds by playing in the usual [southern hemisphere] rugby season. I reckon the Tri-Nations is the one to put them in.
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    Jan 15, 2009 10:49 PM GMT
    the thing is that all our players play all in europe. However, with Pichot as main representative, there s a project which is being highly considered by the IRB to include an argentine team of the best players of our regional unions to participate in the super 14. This is very interesting because it would boost our rugby level internationally (even if we would get plastered for sure hehe), however the money issue is still being evaluated. U have 2 understand that argentine rugby is highly amateur, I think the main issue is economical: getting a big crowd to attend matches (as u said), pay tickets, team transportation, television, publicity, marketing. as I said before, its a great project...