Army Fired 11 Soldiers in Jan. As Openly Gay

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    Mar 13, 2009 12:32 AM GMT
    Don't know if anyone has posted this:

    http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/2009/03/12/D96SK3HO4_gays_military/

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    Mar 13, 2009 3:14 AM GMT
    I hadn't read about this in the news, thanks for posting it !!! Hopefully this time next year the 'don't ask, don't tell' rule will be a thing of the past. but so sad that so much talent has been lost to our military over the rule thus far.
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    Mar 13, 2009 7:21 AM GMT
    Just beware, since Obama won the election, the Religious Reich has had polls out there showing the military opposes gays in the military.
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    Mar 13, 2009 7:43 AM GMT
    A guy I met was using the don't ask policy to get out early....

    So I'm not sure they were all fired so to speak
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    Mar 15, 2009 10:31 AM GMT
    This along with Prop 8 are the last strongholds for the Christian WingNuts in this country
    They are going to fight back hard
    but they are at their weakest point right now in decades
    We are going to have to push the Obama administration on this because they are going to wish this away into a corner because it's a fight they don't want to fight right now

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    Mar 18, 2009 5:44 PM GMT
    Makes you wonder how desperately the military wants people to serve. One of these days hard-headed pragmatism about national security will trump religious ideology and foolish bigotry.
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    Mar 18, 2009 5:55 PM GMT
    The Army fired 11 soldiers in January for violating the military's policy that gay service members must keep their sexuality hidden

    That's misleading. The military's policy regarding homosexuality is not that you keep it hidden, it's that you do not engage in homosexual conduct, period. Regardless if you are on or off base, in private or not. It is also a violation of their policy to marry someone of the same sex or to attempt to marry someone of the same sex.

    If the military's policy regarding homosexuality were honestly to just keep it hidden the code that makes it up would not be written the way it is right now..

    A lot of people, I would say most people, do not actually read what the code says, so for example, gay people think they can serve as long as they keep it in their private lives which is just not true. The policy states that it is forbidden private or not until you are no longer with the military. The reason being that you could be call upon at anytime. At least one of the stated reasons anyway.
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    Mar 18, 2009 6:39 PM GMT
    The military says alot of things. Since I was actually in the military I'm gonna let you guys in on a little secret. The majority of the rules that are set are broken on a daily basis.

    Even married couples have rules regarding to their sex life. Trust me when I say they aren't followed. These rules generally only effect someone when someone on a power trip gets a wild hair up their ass and wants to be a douche about it thus making someone elses life a living hell simply because they are bitter and because they can.

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    Mar 18, 2009 6:45 PM GMT
    As a former USAF Squadron Commander (Major) I saw first hand the witch hunt before "Dont ask Dont Tell" I saw the actions after this policy as was passed.

    I have seen military men and women serve bravely, become heros, and well trained military people. I have seen them OUTED, and thier lives torn apart. I have seen them serve overseas and open about thier sexuality. Only to be used overseas and kicked out once they return.

    The men and women that serve and are gay are the bravest I have ever seen. We need these hard workers to stay and more to enlist. I can only pray and write to the President and hope he will allow ALL Americans (gay, stright) serve with Honor and with out fear. To stand up and serve proudly.
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    Mar 18, 2009 6:49 PM GMT
    The military says a lot of things. Since I was actually in the military I'm gonna let you guys in on a little secret. The majority of the rules that are set are broken on a daily basis.


    Yes, I know that. I think a lot of people do. The problem is that the military can enforce them as they see fit, and when they do, well you know what can happen. The point is that they are there and can be enforced. And that they are horrible and dehumanizing rules to begin with.

    I just don't understand it when gay people join and then get upset about getting kicked out for it when it does happen considering the law against known homosexuals serving the military.

    And I don't understand how the military puts so much emphasis on the importance of morale and how contact with family and loves ones is vital to that and then deny it of people that are serving who might happen to be gay.

    It's stuff like that really makes the military look like a big crock considering all of their pro-military propaganda commercials and recruiting ads. And then when you stand up about it, people label you as anti-american, disloyal, unpatriotic, disrespectful, unappreciative, etc. . It's the perfect system!

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    Mar 18, 2009 7:23 PM GMT
    Thanks for posting this. I was accused as a part of the Bush Sr. witch hunt in the early 90's. I went through 3 months of daily interogation. I was not about to throw my career away over who I chose to sleep with.

    It's great that progress is being made.icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 18, 2009 7:28 PM GMT
    In regards as to why alot of gay people join up and then complain about getting out goes I can't really answer that without being an asshole so if you want an answer you'llhave to ask me in private.

    I was openly gay inthe military and I never had any problems. I did my time and got out. I keep my personal life private. People knew about me but truly didn't care what I did. I was smart about how I conducted my business. While I was in the military I wasn't very sexually active so maybe that's why I didn't have a problem or maybe it's because I wasn't flamboyant or did things that would make me a target.

    I would say it's all about you are, who you know and what you know about who you know.
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    Mar 19, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
    It's sad in the year 2009 our goverment takes our tax money, but refuses to give us equal rights. How unfair is it to serve your country then once you come home you lose all your benefits that the army gave you. If they repeal it what will happen to all the men and women discharged from it? How many more lives will be ruined by don't ask. We have to get this fixed, its the right thing to do for America
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    Mar 19, 2009 9:02 PM GMT
    Rich0008 saidIt's sad in the year 2009 our goverment takes our tax money, but refuses to give us equal rights. How unfair is it to serve your country then once you come home you lose all your benefits that the army gave you. If they repeal it what will happen to all the men and women discharged from it? How many more lives will be ruined by don't ask. We have to get this fixed, its the right thing to do for America


    This is what "Free Willy" Bill Clinton, gave to the homosexuals in the Armed Services of the USA.
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    Mar 19, 2009 9:15 PM GMT
    I agree current military policy is unethical. I served for 7 years under "don't ask, don't tell. Didn't have any major issues, but did not like the feeling of constantly having to look over my shoulder.

    Having said that gentlemen, I would respectfully suggest Mr. Obama has a number of 800 pound gorillas on his back right now. It is clear he is on our side. Perhaps this is an issue that can go on the back burner for right now.

    Let's do things right this time and not shove too many controversial issues down the American people's throat. Sometimes slow and steady wins the race.

    Please don't ignore me. It would hurt my feelings.