So many problems losing weight.

  • nhnelson

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    Mar 13, 2009 9:44 AM GMT
    Alright people, so hear me out:
    I want more than anything to be fit. I want to be a normal functioning member of gay society. All my life, I've been overweight. All my life. My average weight was in the 265-270 range up until I decided I change needed to be made. One day, I'd had enough. Since that day, I've shed about 40 pounds. I've been studying fitness and nutrition ever since I was a sophomore in high school. Now, I'm in college, and I've got to a point where I've been hovering around the same weight, which is about ~225lbs, at about 6'5". I want so desperately do lose the additional weight, but as a college student, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to do so. (also, something that I feel is relevant- I attend Stanford University, which, as one might imagine, requires a ton of hard work) The challenges that I face not only include immense amounts of work which make it hard to get to the gym on the average day, but also, I live in a house of about 30 people, which has a chef and what I call a "snackatorium"--containing a lot of my favorite foods. Furthermore, as many of you likely recall, college is a time for drinking, and I realize that, so I do so, a lot. I drink a lot of alcohol, and I'm sure that has an impact on my waistline, though I'm unsure what, because I fail to measure it. I'm perpetually stared in the face by the foods which I know are horrible, but I love so much. Inside, I know that if I weren't perpetually tempted by these foods which I have an intense propensity to binge upon, I would be able to lose the weight I want, but I know that I won't have the ability to control the foods readily available to me for a few years. I've had the self control to come this far, but I feel as if now, in order to proceed further, it's less an exercise of self control, and more one of variety of healthful choices. The variety is slim, let me tell you. I just don't know how to make any more progress in the toxic nutritional environment in which I reside. Does anyone have any words of wisdom? Encouragement? Advice?
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    Mar 13, 2009 1:57 PM GMT
    Think about what your true fitness goals are. 6'5" and 225 doesn't sound overweight by any means. What is "fit" to you? You don't look overweight in your pics, but then it's hard to tell in them.

    College is a great time, and for most it's very socially driven. In your statement, I noticed that you said you drink a lot of alcohol. Definitely not atypical, but think about the time you spend drinking. You say with the work load it's hard to get to the gym to work out, but you find time to drink lots of alcohol. Maybe spend a little less time drinking or researching health and fitness and use at least some of that time to actually work it.

    My first college room-mate was pre-law and had a pretty heavy school work load. He was also vice-president of the weight-lifting club. He actually used a schedule to budget his time. It takes discipline but it's doable.

    The other thing is: enjoy your college years. Don't over think any of it - try to learn some balance to both achieve a level of fitness and have a good time during college.



  • Timbales

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    Mar 13, 2009 2:03 PM GMT
    My advise would be to focus on the long term. Like you, I've been fat all my life. You're not going to become fit overnight. Make small changes that you can make now. Take a moment before you indulge and ask yourself if you really want it. Try to eat a more balanced diet and eat smaller meals more often. Get your exercise in when and where you can - stairs vs. elevators, walking vs. driving, etc.
  • Hunter9

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    Mar 13, 2009 2:22 PM GMT
    if i were in that house, id be in the same position as you. when you are thinking about housing for next year, you need to figure out what is most important to you... to have that great social (and other) opportunities that you have in that house, or do be able to have more control over what enters into your body.
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    Mar 13, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
    I echo what Timeroo said. This is going to take time. Find things you can do everyda. Take the stiars, walk. I know alcohol is tempting, but pass on it or reduce the amount.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Mar 13, 2009 2:45 PM GMT
    I think you are doing great. At that height you are not fat. Remember it's alot about portion control. If you drink have something light, you can still be social and not gain from college lifestyle. Eat smaller meals- 6 times a day I know it's tough i went to college and have 2 masters. Snack on good stuff, almonds veggies. Cut down or eliminate porcess foods, chips crackers cookies ice cream. Look at the fat and trans fat. I didn't really lift until I was 24. You are 19, you're doing well. Keep it up. Cardio will help you shed pounds but remember to life-free weights if possible. Make time for you, instead of a TV show give that time up for the gym.

    Good Luck- keep us posted!

    Now get crack a lackin!!
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    Mar 13, 2009 3:26 PM GMT
    Hey bro, I'm wondering if you can define the weight problem a little more. You don't look overweight at all. My guess, and this is just a guess, but if you are like many guys with similar circumstances, its not so much being overweight as it is "trouble spots". Guys in general have trouble with the lower abdominal region and the low back region as areas that hold onto fat. In many people who lose a significant amount of weight these areas are the last to go and can be very discouraging. If this is the case then I do have a few thoughts for you.

    1.) You will probably require more effort then the naturally thin guy to get it off.

    2.) Alcohol = No fat loss, and instead fat storage. To put this in very simple terms, when you drink alcohol, you body recognizes this as a toxin and the liver stops processing fats. It recognizes a toxic emergency and stops processing other things until the alcohol is removed. That means all the carbs and other calories you consume with the alcohol is also stored as fat. To make matters worse, alcohol devastates testosterone levels. A simple couple beers can drop testosterone levels 25% and a weekend of binge drinking can drop the levels to near undetectable levels for a couple days. Both through this mechanism and through being directly toxic to muscle it results in a loss of muscle mass that ultimately will slow your metabolism making it harder and harder to stay lean. The testosterone drop will result in temporary estrogen dominance which also results in fat storage. The alcohol will also cause a significant surge in cortisol which is a stress hormone linked to abdominal fat storage. As if the story isn't already bad enough alcohol is toxic to the testicular cells that produce testosterone; drink heavy enough long enough and you can pretty much guarantee yourself early permanent low testosterone levels.

    3.) The only way to possibly get around this in your current environment is to pre-plan your meals and prepare them in advance. By making sure you are eating something every three to four hours you can really help yourself avoid those binges and avoid unplanned eating. It takes a little discipline but can usually be accomplished if your determined enough to do it.

    4.) If you really want to be in the gym and working on your physique then you are going to have to schedule the time and treat it like you would any other mandatory class. If you just go whenever you have time, you will never have time. Don't tell you friends you're going, just let them know you have to be at an appointment and go.

    Good luck man.
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    Mar 13, 2009 4:35 PM GMT
    I think you've already answered a lot of your own questions. And I agree with everyone else; you certainly don't sound (or look) fat to me.

    Diet is EVERYTHING. It's about self control and healthy choices. I've never had a weight issue, but no matter how much I worked out, no matter how much cardio I did, I never managed to shed the layer of fat around my midsection. Until I changed my diet.

    Carbs are the worst thing you can eat. And, chances are, between college food and booze, you're eating a ton of them. I changed my diet largely for health reasons and now adhere to the "simple carbohydrate diet" (simple monosaccharide sugars only). While I wouldn't necessarily advise this diet purely for weight loss (it's used to treat intestinal issues like IBS, Crohns, etc), I've lost all the fat and have more energy than I've ever had in my life. So there's something to it.

    Stick to lean proteins and LOTS of vegetables. AVOID soy and wheat at all costs. Brown rice only, if you must. Stay away from starchy foods like potatoes. Eat lots of nuts. It's amazing what you can make with nuts. I make a killer carrot cake and some of the best pancakes around...all from ground nuts and not a speck of grain.

    Cut out sugar. Period. Sweeten with honey. Do NOT use artificial sweeteners. If you must, use the pink stuff but NEVER Nutrasweet or Splenda.

    Lemons are your friend. Not only do they help alkalinize the body, but they're great for detoxing and digestion. Fill your water bottle in the morning and add fresh squeezed lemon juice.

    The body is machine and for too long our government and the food industry have done us a great disservice by promoting toxic foods, sweeteners, preservatives, etc. Eat simple. You'll feel better and lose the weight!
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    Mar 13, 2009 4:38 PM GMT
    YngHungSFSD saidHey bro, I'm wondering if you can define the weight problem a little more. You don't look overweight at all. My guess, and this is just a guess, but if you are like many guys with similar circumstances, its not so much being overweight as it is "trouble spots". Guys in general have trouble with the lower abdominal region and the low back region as areas that hold onto fat. In many people who lose a significant amount of weight these areas are the last to go and can be very discouraging. If this is the case then I do have a few thoughts for you.

    1.) You will probably require more effort then the naturally thin guy to get it off.

    2.) Alcohol = No fat loss, and instead fat storage. To put this in very simple terms, when you drink alcohol, you body recognizes this as a toxin and the liver stops processing fats. It recognizes a toxic emergency and stops processing other things until the alcohol is removed. That means all the carbs and other calories you consume with the alcohol is also stored as fat. To make matters worse, alcohol devastates testosterone levels. A simple couple beers can drop testosterone levels 25% and a weekend of binge drinking can drop the levels to near undetectable levels for a couple days. Both through this mechanism and through being directly toxic to muscle it results in a loss of muscle mass that ultimately will slow your metabolism making it harder and harder to stay lean. The testosterone drop will result in temporary estrogen dominance which also results in fat storage. The alcohol will also cause a significant surge in cortisol which is a stress hormone linked to abdominal fat storage. As if the story isn't already bad enough alcohol is toxic to the testicular cells that produce testosterone; drink heavy enough long enough and you can pretty much guarantee yourself early permanent low testosterone levels.

    3.) The only way to possibly get around this in your current environment is to pre-plan your meals and prepare them in advance. By making sure you are eating something every three to four hours you can really help yourself avoid those binges and avoid unplanned eating. It takes a little discipline but can usually be accomplished if your determined enough to do it.

    4.) If you really want to be in the gym and working on your physique then you are going to have to schedule the time and treat it like you would any other mandatory class. If you just go whenever you have time, you will never have time. Don't tell you friends you're going, just let them know you have to be at an appointment and go.

    Good luck man.


    Great information you got there...There is some confusion with obesity and moderate amounts of red wine however . Researchers believe that reservatrol found in red wine is toxic to fat cells and may be an aid in the war against obesity. I would not recommend drinking red wine to lose weight howevericon_lol.gif Obesity is a lifetime battle. There was once I lost sixty pounds and within a few years put it back on. I lost it again and put some of it back on. This is called the yoyo effect. If you let your guard down, the weight will be back with a vengeance. I'm on another crusade to lose weight and have lost a lot with diet and exercise. My goal is to be the oldest guy on Realjock with a sixpack. I can now see my abs. Last time I saw them was twenty some years ago icon_lol.gif
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/red-wine-may-curb-fat-cells/
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    Mar 13, 2009 4:39 PM GMT
    Oh yeah, and forget the workout drinks, fat burners, etc. That stuff is loaded with questionable (at best) ingredients that will tax your liver, kidneys, and other organs while pushing your body into an acidic state. Read up on the acid/alkaline balance in the body. The more acidic you are, the more health issues you'll have and the harder it will be to lose weight.
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    YngHungSFSD saidThere is some confusion with obesity and moderate amounts of red wine however . Researchers believe that reservatrol found in red wine is toxic to fat cells and may be an aid in the war against obesity. I would not recommend drinking red wine to lose weight howevericon_lol.gif


    Yes, you bring up some interesting research. The trouble is what fights the fat is a compound in the wine, not the wine itself. Which is why researchers are already taking handfuls of the reservatrol as supplements. Also, there are several drugs under development based on the structure and properties of reservatrol that are much more bioavailable and much more powerful. While I do know a couple people that drank moderate amounts of red wine and lost weight, I definitely could not advise it for getting rid of those last trouble spots of stubborn fat. That usually requires religious like adherence to clean eating...meaning no alcohol. That and I have a few friends that are still fraternity guys on a few different campuses, and I can safely assume that the vast majority of all college party goers are drinking everything but red wine..icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 13, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
    southlakejock saidCarbs are the worst thing you can eat. And, chances are, between college food and booze, you're eating a ton of them. I changed my diet largely for health reasons and now adhere to the "simple carbohydrate diet" (simple monosaccharide sugars only).

    Please don't take this advice. Lots wrong with these statements. Carbs are necessary for a healthy life. And I'd recommend high-fiber, complex carbohydrates. I don't even know what the "simple carbohydrate diet" is, but it sounds like infomercial bunk.

    southlakejock saidStick to lean proteins and LOTS of vegetables.
    Good advice, but quantity is the issue. Overeating lean protein and vegetables will also make you fat.

    southlakejock saidIf you must, use the pink stuff but NEVER Nutrasweet or Splenda.
    If I would add the word NEVER to any foodstuff, it would be something like turpentine or epoxy. Many meal replacements have Nutrasweet in them and are lower in calories. These sweeteners have been demonized by the likes of Mercola and other quacks. They are not good for people with sensitivity issues, such as migraine sufferers. For everyone else, not a problem.

    southlakejock saidLemons are your friend. Not only do they help alkalinize the body, but they're great for detoxing and digestion. Fill your water bottle in the morning and add fresh squeezed lemon juice.
    Lemons are a potent source of citric acid. Acids acidify the body, not alkalize. It seems ironic that this poster is touting alkalinity while pushing an acid.
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    Mar 13, 2009 5:55 PM GMT
    Post a few full-body shots.... 230 and 6'4 is perfectly normal.
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    Mar 13, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
    nhnelson saidAlright people, so hear me out:
    I want more than anything to be fit. I want to be a normal functioning member of gay society. All my life, I've been overweight. All my life. My average weight was in the 265-270 range up until I decided I change needed to be made. One day, I'd had enough. Since that day, I've shed about 40 pounds. I've been studying fitness and nutrition ever since I was a sophomore in high school. Now, I'm in college, and I've got to a point where I've been hovering around the same weight, which is about ~225lbs, at about 6'5". I want so desperately do lose the additional weight, but as a college student, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to do so. (also, something that I feel is relevant- I attend Stanford University, which, as one might imagine, requires a ton of hard work) The challenges that I face not only include immense amounts of work which make it hard to get to the gym on the average day, but also, I live in a house of about 30 people, which has a chef and what I call a "snackatorium"--containing a lot of my favorite foods. Furthermore, as many of you likely recall, college is a time for drinking, and I realize that, so I do so, a lot. I drink a lot of alcohol, and I'm sure that has an impact on my waistline, though I'm unsure what, because I fail to measure it. I'm perpetually stared in the face by the foods which I know are horrible, but I love so much. Inside, I know that if I weren't perpetually tempted by these foods which I have an intense propensity to binge upon, I would be able to lose the weight I want, but I know that I won't have the ability to control the foods readily available to me for a few years. I've had the self control to come this far, but I feel as if now, in order to proceed further, it's less an exercise of self control, and more one of variety of healthful choices. The variety is slim, let me tell you. I just don't know how to make any more progress in the toxic nutritional environment in which I reside. Does anyone have any words of wisdom? Encouragement? Advice?


    Words of wisdom:
    Humm.

    You are what you eat.
    You have to fuel the furnace to get it to burn hot.
    Fat people are fat.
    Breakfast like a king, dinner like a prince, and supper like a pauper.
    Calories are our friends.
    Carbs are good for you.
    Some folks are flat-out idiots / morons.

    Now, seriously, DUDE...you don't look fat. You're, what do you say, 6'5" and 225#? If you're the guy in the pictures, you sure are not fat and my words of wisdom are STOP WITH THIS SHIT; get your education and worry about being a fairy later.

    Do NOT eliminate carbs nor fats from your diet. Both are essential for good health and mood. Eat moderate meals often, with good solid (complex) carbs that don't bounce your blood sugar all over the place and that let your BRAIN work. You shouldn't be feeling hungry. You shouldn't have a headache. Your brain shouldn't hurt. Eat your biggest meals earlier. Moderate protein, moderate fat; exercise when you can, avoid lots of simple sugars which will bounce you around and lead to binging. EAT, so you don't binge, and so that you can think straight and do well in school. STOP with the diet shit right now.

    Exercise, something that you like, but, you should include resistance training and HIIT, whenever you can.

    You can be a fairy when you get older.

    It's just fine to nibble. Let your body and brain guide you.
  • FredMG

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    Mar 13, 2009 6:13 PM GMT
    I think Southlakejock has a lot of good advice as does Mickey...

    Check out the real jock Weight Loss Challenge. I'm currently one of the participants and it's working really well 15 lbs in the last 8 weeks!

    The most valueable thing is the Nutrition counseling. You get an eval, some counseling, and a calorie perscription.

    You might also check out the book "Body For Life" which I really liked because it's a fitness/nutrion plan and you have to do both. What I really liked about the book is that it allows you a "free day" which you could do on a friday or saturday, be social and wild, then work towards your goals the other six days a week.

    I also like my heart rate monitor, it counts the calories I burn, and I find it's a great motivational tool - I can look at it and if it's say 500 calories after 45 minutes of cardio I think WOW! if I tough it out for another 10 or 15 minutes I'm gonna be at 700 calories.

    One thing I've done to help with avoiding things like sodas and candy bars is to look at the # of calories, then go do some kind of cardio I hate like stairmaster. I tell myself every snickers bar is 15 minutes of stairmaster. Just that makes the snickers bar so much less apealing.

    I feel where you're coming from I've always been 'the fat kid'. So yeah, work on it, but have some fun.
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    Mar 13, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
    Prioritize a little bit better. You're eating the wrong foods, partying and you're in an environment that encourages it. But you're also part of a demographic where body and outside aesthetics matter. Tough one.

    I'd say prioritize, cut way back on your drinking, take a 15 minute break every 45 minutes while studying and do some kind of exercise. There are many variations of push ups, and pull ups...for legs you can do squats, lunges, and plyos and for abdominals there are a slew of exercises you can do. Try buying some of your own food like tuna, whole grain bread, apples, and bananas, peanutbutter is also good for the bread, bananas and apples...it's also high in fat so be careful. I also like to sprinkle fresh ground cinnamon on my apples. Cinnamon in its natural form is a spice with a ton of health benefit. Those are foods which don't really need to be kept cold, and they all have nutritional value which is going to fill you up rather than add intense cravings. Portion control is an important part of any diet.

    At party time, set aside 30 minutes for some form of exercise before you go. That isn't a license to drink more booze or eat more junk it's simply putting your health in a place at the front of your mind rather than the back of it before you go into a potentially unhealthy environment with lots of temptation.

    If you're unable or unwilling to do those things then I don't know what to tell you. It's not really that easy at first to establish a new routine, but it will get easier. Cut yourself some slack also. If you start a routine and have a bad day it doesn't mean you failed, and that's a license to go back to what you were doing before. It means you have a bad day, and it won't make much of an inprint unless you let that bad day and the negative thinking take the reigns of the whole process.
  • nhnelson

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    Mar 15, 2009 10:27 PM GMT
    Hey guys,
    Thanks for all the advice/words of varying merit. I think I'll listen to chuckystud and just be a college student for now, while doing my best to be reasonable, and worry about being an image-fixated gay man later.
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    :-)
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    nhnelson saidHey guys,
    Thanks for all the advice/words of varying merit. I think I'll listen to chuckystud and just be a college student for now, while doing my best to be reasonable, and worry about being an image-fixated gay man later.


    I think you are smart to follow Chucky's advice. If you are fat then I am a fundamentalist Baptist. I work with morbidly obese people. They are fat.

    And don't get too caught up in the image-conscious gay lifestyle. I have not seen many happy or content gay men in that group of people.
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    mickeytopogigio said
    southlakejock saidCarbs are the worst thing you can eat. And, chances are, between college food and booze, you're eating a ton of them. I changed my diet largely for health reasons and now adhere to the "simple carbohydrate diet" (simple monosaccharide sugars only).

    Please don't take this advice. Lots wrong with these statements. Carbs are necessary for a healthy life. And I'd recommend high-fiber, complex carbohydrates. I don't even know what the "simple carbohydrate diet" is, but it sounds like infomercial bunk.


    Before running off at the mouth, maybe you should do a little research? The Simple (or Specific) Carbohydrate Diet has been around since the mid 1900s. Of course, like so many things that actually WORK, it doesn't get paid much attention because doctors would rather pump their patients full of drugs and make the insurance companies richer.

    The SCD treats Crohns, IBS, IBD, Ulcerative Colitis, Autism, and more. Not everyone processes sugar the same, especially complex sugars, and the SCD attempts to minimize gut damage and allow healing by eliminating all of these garbage carbs.

    Finally, the SCD does not eliminate all carbs, just complex ones. Fruit and honey are fine. Wheat and rice are not. It's not a diet for weight loss, but, as I said initially, to treat stomach issues. However, I've learned a lot about what made me heavier from cutting out the bad stuff.

    mickeytopogigio said
    southlakejock saidStick to lean proteins and LOTS of vegetables.
    Good advice, but quantity is the issue. Overeating lean protein and vegetables will also make you fat.


    Not as fat as carbs. Let's see...I eat between 3000 and 4000 calories per day, all from meat, veggies, nuts, fruit, honey, homemade yogurt, etc. And I weigh around 165 pounds with 4% body fat or so. Of course, when I ate complex carbs, I weighed 20 pounds more and my body fat several times higher...

    mickeytopogigio said
    southlakejock saidIf you must, use the pink stuff but NEVER Nutrasweet or Splenda.
    If I would add the word NEVER to any foodstuff, it would be something like turpentine or epoxy. Many meal replacements have Nutrasweet in them and are lower in calories. These sweeteners have been demonized by the likes of Mercola and other quacks. They are not good for people with sensitivity issues, such as migraine sufferers. For everyone else, not a problem.


    They aren't good for anyone. Neither are these toxic meal replacements and workout drinks with all their unregulated, unproven, and acidifying ingredients, preservatives, etc. If it comes from a box or a bag, chances are you shouldn't eat it.

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    southlakejock saidLemons are your friend. Not only do they help alkalinize the body, but they're great for detoxing and digestion. Fill your water bottle in the morning and add fresh squeezed lemon juice.
    Lemons are a potent source of citric acid. Acids acidify the body, not alkalize. It seems ironic that this poster is touting alkalinity while pushing an acid.


    Dude, do a little research. Lemons and limes ALKALINIZE the body:

    http://www.essense-of-life.com/moreinfo/foodcharts.htm

    Try Google. You'll find many references.