Planecrash in Holland... God hates fags....

  • Nayro

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    Mar 14, 2009 3:27 PM GMT
    Hey all,

    I take it that all of you heard of the plane crash in the Netherlands a few weeks ago. A few days after the crash a lot of people wanted to do a rememberance. They did that but the government was afraid that there would be some protesting from the group called: God hates fags. According to that group, the plane crashed in Holland because my country is too accepting towards gay-people. They say that everywhere a disaster happens its a sign of god, he's letting us know that gay is unacceptable.

    Did you know of this group? Are they crazy? Some people are so narrow-minded.... They actually think my country deserved the crash because of the rules we have that is accepting gays....

    So wrong...

    This:http://www.elsevier.nl/web/10226164/Nieuws/Nederland/Angst-voor-rellen-herdenking-vliegtuigcrash-ME-paraat.htm is the link to the article in dutch. I take it you dont understand Dutch so if you wanna know what it sais, throw it in a translation machine, but i basically said everything thats in there.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 14, 2009 3:31 PM GMT
    Sounds like they borrowed their "reasoning" from Fred Phelps. They are a marginal entity and deserve less attention. Most grounded people would view them as simply bigots.
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    Mar 14, 2009 3:37 PM GMT
    I'm a bit surprised that the Dutch government supposedly caved on this point. Most Europeans are not as easily stampeded by invoking the name "Jesus" as Americans are.

    We have a gay Dutch friend who just spent Christmas here with us. I'll ask him about this, see what he knows.
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    Mar 14, 2009 3:37 PM GMT
    If I remember right Pat Robertson stated that 9-11 happened because of all the gays and abortionist so God lifted his protection of the US. icon_eek.gif
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    Mar 14, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
    mFit saidIf I remember right Pat Robertson stated that 9-11 happened because of all the gays and abortionist so God lifted his protection of the US. icon_eek.gif

    The fundies also said Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans because of the wicked gays living there. But I'm not sure how they explain Hurricane Andrew in 1992, which flattened Holmstead, Florida, where the only major activity was a US Air Force base it destroyed, and the surrounding residential neighborhoods and farmland. God hates the US Air Force and fresh vegetables???
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    Mar 14, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    mFit saidIf I remember right Pat Robertson stated that 9-11 happened because of all the gays and abortionist so God lifted his protection of the US. icon_eek.gif

    The fundies also said Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans because of the wicked gays living there. But I'm not sure how they explain Hurricane Andrew in 1992, which flattened Holmstead, Florida, where the only major activity was a US Air Force base it destroyed, and the surrounding residential neighborhoods and farmland. God hates the US Air Force and fresh vegetables?


    Taken from a comedian I don't remember: so when a tornado hits a trailer park does that mean God hates rednecks?
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    Mar 14, 2009 3:58 PM GMT
    Am I take it this group carries an "american made" brand ? I wouldn't be suprised, and neither would I be suprised if Phelps family of loonie toons is involved too. God hates fags my ass !!!! LOL !!! Often Christians tout the faith of the Roman Centurian who asked for his beloved servant to be healed, I don't recall in the story Jesus asking whether or not they were lovers, before he healed the young man servant.Maybe if he had been a 'fag hater' he would have surely checked that out, because according to historically well documented evidence male to male relationships between statesment and military men of their slaves and servants was a normal thing.
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    Mar 14, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    I'm reminded of the Steve Martin comedy movie The Jerk, where a psychotic sniper is shooting at Martin in a gas station from a distance. The sniper misses Martin, instead hitting some motor oil cans in a rack. The clueless Martin yells:

    "He hates these cans! Stay away from the cans!"

    In this case it's the fundies who are the jerks, yelling "God hates these fags! Stay away from the fags!"

    I couldn't find a specific YouTube clip, but this 2:34 trailer includes a brief moment from the sniper scene:

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    Mar 14, 2009 5:11 PM GMT
    If people actually started to believe it was our fault for bad things happening can you imagine the power we would weild?

    mahahahaha *rubs hands together"
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    Mar 14, 2009 5:29 PM GMT
    Niceguy1989 saidHey all,

    I take it that all of you heard of the plane crash in the Netherlands a few weeks ago. A few days after the crash a lot of people wanted to do a rememberance. They did that but the government was afraid that there would be some protesting from the group called: God hates fags. According to that group, the plane crashed in Holland because my country is too accepting towards gay-people. They say that everywhere a disaster happens its a sign of god, he's letting us know that gay is unacceptable.

    Did you know of this group? Are they crazy? Some people are so narrow-minded.... They actually think my country deserved the crash because of the rules we have that is accepting gays....

    So wrong...

    This:http://www.elsevier.nl/web/10226164/Nieuws/Nederland/Angst-voor-rellen-herdenking-vliegtuigcrash-ME-paraat.htm is the link to the article in dutch. I take it you dont understand Dutch so if you wanna know what it sais, throw it in a translation machine, but i basically said everything thats in there.


    Mr. Phelps and his associates are very very fringe group of "Christians" I wouldn't loose any sleep over it if I were you
  • vindog

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    Mar 14, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    Reno is about to pass a no funeral protesting law, which would state you can't protest within a certain distance from a funeral.



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    Mar 14, 2009 6:36 PM GMT
    vindog saidReno is about to pass a no funeral protesting law, which would state you can't protest within a certain distance from a funeral.

    A number of states have passed such laws, all because of Fred Phelps and his "God Hates Fags" demonstrations at the funerals of our honored US war dead. What a psycho.

    The issue is working its way through the courts at various levels, and I recoil at any limitations on Freedom of Speech under our US Constitution. But Phelps and his "family" of supporters are lunatics, and to cause additional sorrow & grief to the relatives & friends of our innocent heroic dead is beyond the pale.

    There is also a selfish side of me that welcomes these laws against Phelps, despite disputes over fine points of Constitutional Law, because it forces even many of our gay opponents to rally against him. It redifines gay hate as sick hate, pure & simple, and to me that is not a bad thing.
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    Mar 14, 2009 9:40 PM GMT
    I have little doubt that the "God Hates Fags" wingnuts will have been from the US. It's bad enough when they show up at funerals or disaster sites in our country. But to attack the countries that US can learn the most from in terms of civil rights and taking care of basic human needs is particularly disheartening and embarrassing. The people behind these campaigns are evil and cruel.
  • Nayro

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    Mar 15, 2009 12:36 AM GMT
    And trying to use a disaster and create it into an argument for ur own opinion, that is so... wrong
  • Hunter9

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    Mar 15, 2009 12:43 AM GMT
    i dont think anyone can speak on behalf of god, but i do know what dutch think of fags... just go down to the Regulierdwarstraat street in Amsterdam icon_lol.gif
  • zakariahzol

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    Mar 15, 2009 12:51 AM GMT
    Hey, doesnt god destroy Soddom and Gommorah because of fag?
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    Mar 15, 2009 8:48 PM GMT
    zakariahzol saidHey, doesnt god destroy Soddom and Gommorah because of fag?


    Only if you grossly misread the story.
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    Mar 15, 2009 8:51 PM GMT
    As usual, you all have it wrong. God hates fags AND Jews, because we killed Christ. Killed him. As if...we had murdered him.
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    Mar 15, 2009 8:53 PM GMT
    flieslikeabeagle said
    zakariahzol saidHey, doesnt god destroy Soddom and Gommorah because of fag?


    Only if you grossly misread the story.


    Very very true.
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    Mar 15, 2009 8:55 PM GMT
    mikes39 saidAs usual, you all have it wrong. God hates fags AND Jews, because we killed Christ. Killed him. As if...we had murdered him.


    You'd think they would be grateful since he raised from the dead and will supposedly come back.
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    Mar 15, 2009 8:55 PM GMT
    My take on this is that some people suffer a mental illness that manifests itself as an addiction to attention.

    Maybe groups like this (and the Phelps family) really do have religious beliefs that convince them that being gay is wrong. But that's secondary to the attention their antics gain them.

    Their rationale for these protests are so disconnected from reality, and they long ago strained credibility when they started protesting military funerals, ostensibly because these servicemen died as members of a military of a nation that supports gay rights. Yeah, right.

    More likely, they know that picketing the funeral of a fallen soldier is about the most repugnant and incendiary thing you could do, and thus likely to get them an abundant amount of attention... which brings me back to my first point.
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    Mar 15, 2009 9:02 PM GMT
    zakariahzol saidHey, doesnt god destroy Soddom and Gommorah because of fag?

    Not according to the bible, which few apparently really read.

    Ezekiel 16:49 - Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
  • spinningguy

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    Mar 15, 2009 9:11 PM GMT
    Funny that this group should come up they are coming to protest an event that I helped plan. I am helping some of my college students plan a three day conference in Florida for all of the Gay-Straight Alliance groups in the state. About three weeks ago I found out that this group is going to do a two day protest of what they call our workshops on how to make our feces taste better.

    The organization is called Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, KS. And if you ever read their website which is godhatesfags.com you will see that they apparently hate everything. Catholics, soldiers, gay people, jewish people, muslims, other christians.

    I love their stance on Broadway it makes me laugh every time!

  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 15, 2009 9:38 PM GMT
    If bad things happen because of local acceptance, it makes one wonder about all these church shootings. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 15, 2009 9:44 PM GMT
    Global_Citizen said
    zakariahzol saidHey, doesnt god destroy Soddom and Gommorah because of fag?

    Not according to the bible, which few apparently really read.

    Ezekiel 16:49 - Behold, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

    Genesis 13 says:

    13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

    Genesis 18 repeats how wicked Sodom is, without really saying why.

    Genesis 19 suggests the immediate cause of Sodom & Gomorrah's destruction was the mob that surrounded Lot's house, after he had offered lodging to 2 men described as "angels":

    4 But before they [the male angels] lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
    5 and they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.


    To "know" is a euphemism for sexual relations. Lot resists the mob, and the angels smote with blindness those trying to break down his door. They then tell Lot to flee Sodom:

    13 for we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

    Hence sodomy has come to mean anal sex, though some Biblical scholars question whether that's really what the mob desired. Or that it was the attempted rape of Lot's guests that was the real crime, not male anal sex itself.

    It's fortunate the incident took place in Sodom, otherwise today we'd be using the term gomorrahy for anal.