why don't we all just enlist into the military?

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    Mar 15, 2009 12:03 PM GMT
    I'm seein all of these people signing up for marriage and stuff but i believe that once we fix the military everthing we ever wanted in this country will simply slide into place.
    I will be signing up for the coast gaurd and i don't plan on letting dadt getting in my way. anybody else think this is a good idea?
    or am i just being a foolish 20 year old activist?
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    Mar 15, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
    "I will be signing up for the coast gaurd and i don't plan on letting dadt getting in my way."

    It won't get in the way of your signing up, but when they come for you for being gay later, break into song:

    And I am telling you
    Im not going
    You're the best man I'll ever know
    There's no way I can ever go
    No, no, there's no way
    No, no, no, no way I'm living without you
    Im not living without you
    I dont wanna be free
    Im staying
    Im staying
    And you, and you
    You're gonna love me, oohh ooh mm mm
    You're gonna love me

    And I am telling you
    I'm not going
    Even though the rough times are showing
    There's just no way, there's no way
    We're part of the same place
    We're part of the same time
    We both share the same blood
    We both have the same mind
    And time and time, we've had so much to see and
    No, no, no, no, no, no
    Im not waking up tomorrow morning and finding that there's nobody there

    And I mean there's no way
    No, no, no, no way Im living without you
    Im not living without you
    You see there's just no way, there's no way

    Tear down the mountains
    Yell, scream, and shout like you can say what you want
    Im not walking out
    Stop all the rivers, push, strike, and kill
    Im not gonna leave you
    There's no way I will

    And I am telling you
    Im not going
    You're the best man I'll ever know
    There's no way I can ever, ever go
    No, no, no, no way
    No, no, no, no way Im living without you
    Oh, Im not living without you, not living without you
    I dont wanna be free
    Im staying, Im staying
    And you, and you, and you
    You're gonna love me

    You're gonna love me, yes you are
    Ooh ooh love me, ooh ooh ooh love me
    Love me, love me, love me, love me

    You're gonna love me
  • junknemesis

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    Mar 15, 2009 12:17 PM GMT
    I have been in the Military, as many RJ'ers have. My first impression is that this is a 20 year old activist urge, and you don't fully understand the implications of what you are thinking of doing.
    HOWEVER!!! This may not actually be a bad choice. I do fear how you would be treated as an openly gay man in the military (they are not nice) however I learned some good things among the years of abuse and depridation. IF you are brave eough and IF you are tough enough, and IF you can handle getting mud slung at you from every direction, then you wil be a stronger person for it. However, during training, do not take anything said personally. they are trained to be professional douchebags. As well They will try to influence certain personality changes that are generally not good as a permenant feature unless you are a lifetime career soldier. Don't let it happen. Stay who you are and don't let them change you.
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    Mar 15, 2009 12:44 PM GMT
    1. Any US citizen applicant must serve in the military as part of citizenship process or be deported.

    Done.icon_neutral.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 15, 2009 1:33 PM GMT
    First people join the military to serve their country or to get benefits while serving their country. It's not about making or declaring social change.

    Second, the Coast Guard is part of the Department of Homeland Security, not the Department of Defense. Before 9/11, the Coast Guard was part of the Department of Transportation. DADT is a DoD policy. However, when the Coast Guard is activated for wartime duties, the service falls under the Department of the Navy. I checked their website and can't find their policy on DADT.


    Lastly, people are signing up for marriage because they love someone else and want to get legally recognized for it. Military service has nothing to do with people seeking to get married. Although there are parallels to the unequal opportunity to both issues, they are not dually related to all homosexuals and shouldn't be so.
  • twostroke

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    Mar 15, 2009 1:54 PM GMT
    Why don´t we ALL enlist with the peace movement (Gandhi-style) ???

    (i´m sceptical about whom the military REALLY serves. does it protect the people or some interested people.... ? don´t know but have doubts)
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    Mar 15, 2009 1:57 PM GMT
    BiGymGuy said1. Any US citizen applicant must serve in the military as part of citizenship process or be deported.

    Done.icon_neutral.gif


    That would be incredibly stupid icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 15, 2009 3:44 PM GMT
    "once we fix the military"

    And what specifically is wrong with the military? The military is a finely-tuned system of high-performance men and women ready to do what they are assigned.

    Now the politicians that send them out to do missions - those people need some real fixing.

    The positive parts of the military and fantastic and amazing and admirable. I'm not good at obedience and don't trust the leaders that send the military out on their missions.
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    Mar 15, 2009 3:45 PM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 said
    BiGymGuy said1. Any US citizen applicant must serve in the military as part of citizenship process or be deported.

    Done.icon_neutral.gif


    That would be incredibly stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    That would be incredibly fair...icon_eek.gif
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    Mar 15, 2009 10:57 PM GMT
    not sure about us all signing up, Im not sure if that would prove anything, what needs to be done is everyone that is gay in the military right now would go awol or on "strike" if you will and when the military comes to a screeching halt and cant operate than maybe they would realize the importance of someone serving their country as a duty and not worry who is sucking dick.

    It amazes me, they act like a gay person is gonna sign up to put their life on the line to defend their country to what? meet other guys or something? please!!!! I get so sick of the narrow mindedness of this country.

    Just like this freakin woman.....

    she comes on about 3:05 into the video.



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    Mar 15, 2009 11:22 PM GMT
    Alexander89 said I'm seein all of these people signing up for marriage and stuff but i believe that once we fix the military everthing we ever wanted in this country will simply slide into place.
    I will be signing up for the coast gaurd and i don't plan on letting dadt getting in my way. anybody else think this is a good idea?
    or am i just being a foolish 20 year old activist?

    Foolish 20 year old activist.

    Don't join just to carry out an agenda. You'll be wasting your time. And you'll be wasting their time. And since my tax dollars help fund the military and all related entities, you're wasting my time and money.

    If you care so much about gay rights, act locally. Get involved with local politics or non-profit organizations. You'll make a bigger impact.
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    Mar 15, 2009 11:40 PM GMT
    twostroke saidWhy don´t we ALL enlist with the peace movement (Gandhi-style)

    Hopeless naivete!
    Gandhi was fortunate in his opponents. Trained as he was in the British legal system, he knew that the British had limits which they would not cross. Other peoples' movements - Zimbabwe and Tibet come to mind -- have found, sadly, that in the end Chairman Mao was right when he said "Political power comes from the mouth of a gun."
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    Mar 16, 2009 7:47 AM GMT
    BiGymGuy said
    cjcscuba1984 said
    BiGymGuy said1. Any US citizen applicant must serve in the military as part of citizenship process or be deported.

    Done.icon_neutral.gif


    That would be incredibly stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    That would be incredibly fair...icon_eek.gif


    Do you mean incoming US Citizens ONLY (those trying to enter the US to become full US Citizens)...

    or did you mean EVERY US citizen should have to serve in the military to gain citizenship... like in S. Korea (unless they have since changed)?
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    Mar 16, 2009 8:01 AM GMT
    BiGymGuy said
    cjcscuba1984 said
    BiGymGuy said1. Any US citizen applicant must serve in the military as part of citizenship process or be deported.

    Done.icon_neutral.gif


    That would be incredibly stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    That would be incredibly fair...icon_eek.gif


    You would get a LOT of people with stronger loyalties to OTHER countries in the US military if you forced this. That can't be good.
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    Mar 16, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
    You will probably be kicked out and you will have wasted precious time and probably money. Until DADT is overturned, or unless you plan to be very discreet I would think of other options.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 16, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
    I'd rather not serve in the military, thanks.
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    Mar 16, 2009 2:35 PM GMT
    I want this 20 year old activist to write us once he gets into the military. I want to hear his stories. I really don't think he has any idea what he is doing.

    Going into the military to do what he is talking about should be some ot the funniest reading I ahve enjoyed in a long time.

    To the OP. I suggest you re-think this idea. Going in and a nobody enlisted person, and trying to change and shape the military as you suggest will not work.
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    Mar 16, 2009 2:41 PM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 said
    BiGymGuy said
    cjcscuba1984 said
    BiGymGuy said1. Any US citizen applicant must serve in the military as part of citizenship process or be deported.

    Done.icon_neutral.gif


    That would be incredibly stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    That would be incredibly fair...icon_eek.gif


    Do you mean incoming US Citizens ONLY (those trying to enter the US to become full US Citizens)...

    or did you mean EVERY US citizen should have to serve in the military to gain citizenship... like in S. Korea (unless they have since changed)?


    My quote says, "Any US citizen 'applicant'..."
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    Mar 16, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    Rune said
    BiGymGuy said
    cjcscuba1984 said
    BiGymGuy said1. Any US citizen applicant must serve in the military as part of citizenship process or be deported.

    Done.icon_neutral.gif


    That would be incredibly stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    That would be incredibly fair...icon_eek.gif


    You would get a LOT of people with stronger loyalties to OTHER countries in the US military if you forced this. That can't be good.



    Good schmood...again, it would be fair...icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 16, 2009 2:43 PM GMT
    I have a number of openly gay friends who are in the military. None of them have been beaten, mocked, forced out, etc.

    DADT is selectively enforced.
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    Mar 16, 2009 3:56 PM GMT
    BiGymGuy said
    Rune said
    BiGymGuy said
    cjcscuba1984 said
    BiGymGuy said1. Any US citizen applicant must serve in the military as part of citizenship process or be deported.

    Done.icon_neutral.gif


    That would be incredibly stupid icon_rolleyes.gif


    That would be incredibly fair...icon_eek.gif


    You would get a LOT of people with stronger loyalties to OTHER countries in the US military if you forced this. That can't be good.



    Good schmood...again, it would be fair...icon_neutral.gif


    Right, if you want the US military full of people loyal to OTHER countries, who would likely betray the US if there was a conflict with said country, yes, it would be fair.

    And I guess I shouldn't forget all the scientist/doctor/business types who come over who wouldn't in the case of such a policy, thereby eliminating a large part of the brain drain on other countries from which the US greatly benefits.

    Such a policy would just be hurtful to the US in all possible ways.
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    Mar 19, 2009 4:18 PM GMT
    I have already had my mind set on joining the coast gaurd since before i was too young to join. i feel like the discipline would be good for me and that i wouldn't mind having prez obama as my boss. dadt will be repealed whether it's this year or next year and ummm... it's cheaper than hiring a private trainer to get into shape.lol I'm too skinny.