NBC: Kings. The bad guy is gay.

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    Mar 16, 2009 2:31 AM GMT
    And kinda cute too.

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    The one issue someone watching the premiere with me had is how the "bad guy" is a gay character: Not to spoil the plot but he's the son of the good king & he's an arrogant, hard drinking, overly fashion conscious boy lover. Hid dad is the good guy - the nice king who just wants peace for his war weary country but is forced to act by his manipulative false brother who gave him his throne. The king comes down on his son calling his gay habit an "abomination" and threatening him to control himself or never take the throne.

    My friend said "this clearly shows NBC's stance on gay rights!" So NBC has one less person tuning in I guess....

    Thoughts? Is it bad that NBC is basically casting a homophobe as a good guy while the only gay character is pretty nasty guy?
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    Mar 16, 2009 3:08 AM GMT
    I dunno,,,

    The king is having an extra-marital affair and has an illegitimate child.

    He manipulates the press to suit his purpose.

    He's taking advantage of the guy who "rescued" his son.

    I wouldn't really call him the "good guy"
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    Mar 16, 2009 3:18 AM GMT
    thats cool, finally a bad ass gay guy.


    you think u'd be happy that "you cant be what god made you" was said in that exchange, sounds like the writers are supportive re: showing exactly the kind of oppression that exists
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    Mar 16, 2009 3:23 AM GMT
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    Not to spoil the plot but he's the son of the good king & he's an arrogant, hard drinking, overly fashion conscious boy lover.

    Thoughts? Is it bad that NBC is basically casting a homophobe as a good guy while the only gay character is pretty nasty guy?



    Ok and exactly how is their portrayal not accurate to how most gay guys are in real life? Sounds to me they hit it right on the head.

    Don't forget that NBC also had a soap-opera called "Passions" on that depicted gay and lesbian couples as well, not to mention my local NBC station still shows Will & Grace religiously, so to say that this one show is a stance or display of NBC's view is kind of off.
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    Mar 16, 2009 3:35 AM GMT
    I never watched the television series in question, but from the above descriptions, the father character seems more like an antihero, not a traditional "good-guy" protagonist. Examples of antiheroes in fiction include Dorian Grey, Gollum, Dr. Frankenstein, Jay Gatsby, Severus Snape, Catwoman, etc...characters who are questioned by the audience, not idolized.


    As for the gay character being nasty - art & entertainment have manifested homosexuals in many forms, from a heroic headmaster of a famous wizardry school to a self-loathing Iraqi terrorist. We come in many forms, the bad and the good.


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    Mar 16, 2009 3:38 AM GMT
    yeah, he is kinda hot, actually
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    Mar 16, 2009 3:40 AM GMT
    I'm not sure but I'm definitely going to make up my mind before I actually see an episode.
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    Mar 16, 2009 4:01 AM GMT
    Trance24 saidAnd kinda cute too.

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    Mar 16, 2009 4:17 AM GMT
    im watching it right now! should be good icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 16, 2009 5:15 AM GMT
    The whole show is based off the old testmemt. It's about David if it happened now. So who know where it might go but from what I have seen I like it.
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    Mar 16, 2009 5:30 AM GMT
    I would say ABC is the most gay friendly network but to call NBC homophobic would be way off the mark. They gave us Will & Grace in a time it was still very taboo.

    I'd like to watch an episode of this show.. it sounds like something I could get into.
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    Mar 16, 2009 2:14 PM GMT
    You know what, having not seen the show, having not followed any of the discussion, and just puking out the first opinion that comes to mind...

    THANK HEAVEN. I'll take a badass gay evil villain any day over Charles Nelson Reilly and Jack from Will & Grace. 'Bout time the television-fed populace suckles on the teat of a message that shows that gay guys are not caricatures of the stereotypes that are so pervasive.
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    Mar 16, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    So the bad guy is gay. So what?

    Darth Vader is straight, but he's evil. So is Dr. Evil, for that matter. Though, neither one a very good father.

    I think there's enough room in this world for gay and straight evil characters.

    Look at Saddam and Satan, for example....
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    Mar 16, 2009 3:00 PM GMT
    mikes39 saidLook at Saddam and Satan, for example....
    Yeah, I saw those episodes of southpark icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 16, 2009 3:28 PM GMT
    I think he is just a gay character who is a bad guy... no reflection on NBC.
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    Mar 16, 2009 4:02 PM GMT
    He is dreamy.

    I'm finishing the movie right now. I know that we all hate god, etc. etc. etc, but it is neat to see the bible allusions.

    These are the spoilers

    Silas is the Greek name for Saul, David blew up the Goliath tank, Jonathan (Jack, short for Jon) is a total 'mo.

    My prediction: David will marry Michelle (Michel in the Bible), totally fall in love with Jack. Silas and Jack will die. The bastard son will become king. He'll be assassinated and the assassin bring his head to David, and then David will have him executed.

    Eventually, this will be 3 religions and everyone will kill each other and imagination will die.
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    Mar 16, 2009 9:12 PM GMT
    I liked it! totally interesting but I think King Silas is wishy washy...David is so F'in' hot!
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    Mar 17, 2009 6:02 AM GMT
    It isnt about gay being bad... its about being forced into power and not being able to show it... King Silas says he Jack has to change what GOD MADE HIM... its showing that gays are3nt accepted even in modern power positions.