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  • iHavok

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    Oct 20, 2007 5:49 AM GMT

    Sorry, can't help myself...

    J.K. Rowling outs Hogwarts character

    By HILLEL ITALIE, AP National Writer 1 hour, 9 minutes ago

    NEW YORK - Harry Potter fans, the rumors are true: Albus Dumbledore, master wizard and Headmaster of Hogwarts, is gay. J.K. Rowling, author of the mega-selling fantasy series that ended last summer, outed the beloved character Friday night while appearing before a full house at Carnegie Hall.
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    After reading briefly from the final book, "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," she took questions from audience members.

    She was asked by one young fan whether Dumbledore finds "true love."

    "Dumbledore is gay," the author responded to gasps and applause.

    She then explained that Dumbledore was smitten with rival Gellert Grindelwald, whom he defeated long ago in a battle between good and bad wizards. "Falling in love can blind us to an extent," Rowling said of Dumbledore's feelings, adding that Dumbledore was "horribly, terribly let down."

    Dumbledore's love, she observed, was his "great tragedy."

    "Oh, my god," Rowling concluded with a laugh, "the fan fiction."

    Potter readers on fan sites and elsewhere on the Internet have speculated on the sexuality of Dumbledore, noting that he has no close relationship with women and a mysterious, troubled past. And explicit scenes with Dumbledore already have appeared in fan fiction.

    Rowling told the audience that while working on the planned sixth Potter film, "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," she spotted a reference in the script to a girl who once was of interest to Dumbledore. A note was duly passed to director David Yates, revealing the truth about her character.

    Rowling, finishing a brief "Open Book Tour" of the United States, her first tour here since 2000, also said that she regarded her Potter books as a "prolonged argument for tolerance" and urged her fans to "question authority."

    Not everyone likes her work, Rowling said, likely referring to Christian groups that have alleged the books promote witchcraft. Her news about Dumbledore, she said, will give them one more reason.
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    Oct 20, 2007 11:17 AM GMT
    Thank you Briarhawk for posting that, I loved the books, I don't know why I did not see this coming (although in the last book they did seem to be the best of friends!).
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    Oct 20, 2007 3:31 PM GMT
    We are everywhere.

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    Oct 20, 2007 5:00 PM GMT
    too bad there wasnt some crazy love plot between harry in malfoy lol thatd been hot
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    Oct 20, 2007 5:05 PM GMT
    Now what a gym locker room shower scene that would be. You know, those boys are almost of age.
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    Oct 20, 2007 5:24 PM GMT
    lol thats great. i loved the books, movies are good too.
  • iHavok

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    Oct 20, 2007 5:34 PM GMT
    I actually really appreciate her adding it in. Her world seemed surprisingly empty of any sort of gay characters, so finding out about such a major character was nice. I also applaud her bringing it up.
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    Oct 20, 2007 7:08 PM GMT
    OK so after all the books are done and out there, now she states that a relatively important character is gay? Seems almost trivial, doesn't it?
  • eckilegs

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    Oct 20, 2007 8:07 PM GMT
    Wow, that's really interesting for sure. Didn't see that coming at all. That's actually pretty cool.

    LoneWolf brings up a good point though. Why wait till the books are out to announced that?

    I wonder why she says Dubmbledore is gay to the question of whether or not he finds true love.....what does that mean?
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    Oct 20, 2007 8:15 PM GMT
    Her next book is going to be "Hogwarts Mountain".
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    Oct 20, 2007 8:50 PM GMT
    "whether or not he finds true love..." Uh, didn't that character actually die?
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    Oct 20, 2007 9:21 PM GMT
    He was in the heaven like thing maybe he met up with grindelwald in the harry potter version of the after life?icon_idea.gificon_wink.gif
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    Oct 20, 2007 9:38 PM GMT
    eckilegs says: "I wonder why she says Dubmbledore is gay to the question of whether or not he finds true love.....what does that mean?"

    Now, before you go off half-cocked and "wondering", notice that "Dumbledore is gay" was only part of the answer.

    That is, that statement was beginning of a longer answer, which was that was smitten with rival Gellert Grindelwald, etc etc. I would go so far as to say that "Dumbledore is gay" was simply the context, setting the stage for the answer that involved Grindewald.

  • cowboyathlete

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    Oct 20, 2007 11:01 PM GMT
    So a fictional character is a celebrity?
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    Oct 20, 2007 11:05 PM GMT
    I must be the oddity b/c I haven't read the books or seen the movies....but why is tiss fictional character considered a celebrity?
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    Oct 20, 2007 11:11 PM GMT
    I dunno, at the end of the day, it doesn't really change much of anything for me. Hooray, Dumbledore is gay, but I mean, the story still made perfect sense without adding that detail in.
  • Squarejaw

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    Oct 20, 2007 11:18 PM GMT
    All the books are out, but the movies aren't finished yet. It'll be interesting to see how this subtext is worked into the last film.
  • iHavok

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    Oct 22, 2007 12:54 AM GMT
    if Paris Hilton is a celebrity, why not a fictional character?

    Contributes about the same to the betterment of society.
  • Squarejaw

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    Oct 22, 2007 1:13 AM GMT
    Dumbledore contributes quite a bit more, I think. At the very least, he does no harm, and that's an improvement. Whom would you rather your kids emulate?

    Besides, every public and historical figure is to some extent a work of fiction.
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    Oct 22, 2007 3:08 AM GMT
    McGay - love it!

    Albus and Gellert are young wizards force by their mentor to spend a summer using their magical talents to protect a herd of were-sheep. They experiment with a new spell involving stroking their wands and saying the magic words, Erectus Jizzonim. icon_twisted.gif



  • OutOfEden

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    Oct 23, 2007 5:37 AM GMT
    I was wondering why I hadn't seen this in the thread news, but I see now that Dumbledore just wasn't in the subject. I've been thinking about this off and on all day. My initial reaction was negative, and I can anticipate some of the replies sharing this might generate, but I felt like the WAY she threw this out during a Q&A session was a disservice. It wasn't something that she subtly hinted at throughout her books. I was disappointed that Dumbledore was the 'gay' character because he is THE figure of wisdom and mentors all the other protagonists. I realize that to a degree this is my own learned homophobic personality not adapting but the thought of the personal relationship between Harry and Albus now being one of confused little boy to gay old man is not comfortable for me. AGAIN, I REALIZE that it's my own mind that isn't accepting the relationship as unchanged and that adult gay men can befriend underage boys without sexual predation. However, if I have a difficult time with this change in the character as a gay male, I think populations that are less accepting will have a much more difficult time. So, what I was going to ask in a separate thread is, Do you think it's a good development for the international Gay community? (high profile outing as it is even if you might say otherwise, millions of people know who this 'person' is and what he stands for) Second, do you think this development, arguably an 'afterthought', reduces credibility for Rowling?
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    Oct 23, 2007 6:06 AM GMT
    A lot of over analysis here.

    Of course this is a good development.

    Some of the most popular children's books of all time and one of the primary characters is gay. I think it is fine that it is not particularly set up through the books as it feels right and fair once she said it. I certainly didn't get a "no way" reaction - it seemed kind of logical and certainly explained better Dumbledore's infatuation with GG.

    No doubt some will see Dumbledore's undoing as being related to his gayness and perhaps see his death as a punishment but i think we can push this cinematic trope too far. Most of the books have a clear theme of tolerance and so this aspect of Dumbledore's character just makes the story richer and deeper.
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    Oct 24, 2007 3:18 AM GMT
    Ah... but does it explain why DUmbledore's first protege, Tom Riddle, came out so bad?

    (Just homogenizing the feces.)
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    Oct 24, 2007 5:05 AM GMT
    Call me when the sex scene happens!
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    Oct 24, 2007 5:25 AM GMT
    the better part is that the guy who plays dumbledore in the movies since the third is also gay. or is that the lord of the rings? idk idc whatever. I loved the books they were excellent and the fact of dumbledore being gay wasn't the focal point of the story i think is revolutionary simply to include a character who hasppens to be gay even if it's not so obvious.